British Royal Family Genealogy

[Oppie]

This is me being a total geek, but I just spent an hour on the Queen Victoria thread, and it was a lot more fun then watching summer re-runs. Genealogy has always been a side hobby of mine, especially in the what if cases. This one is my favorite (I know everything is very simplified but its genealogy, not a book )

James II - King of England, converted to Catholicism and was deposed, his two Protestant daughters became the next monarchs Mary then Anne, but if history went a little differently here is what would have happened.

James II would have been followed by his son James, who in turn would have been followed by his son Charles who did not have legitimate issue was followed by his brother Henry, the last to try to claim the throne he was also a Catholic cardinal and did not have any children.

This part I need some help on Henry (full name Henry Benedict Stuart) passed the line on to his cousin Charles Emmanuel IV of Sardinia, who was related through James II sister Heniretta, but I seem to be missing someone here.

Anyways back to the story, Charles is next he doesn't claim the throne but loved his wife so much that after she died he became a monk (ahhhh). Charles claim as well as King of Sardinia went to his brother Victor. (Sidenote Sardinia’s capital was Turin now part of Italy). Victor was followed by his daughter Maria who was followed by her son Francis. Some more sidenotes Francis did not have any childern. His estate went to the ill fated Franz Ferdinand well the claim went to his niece Mary who had 13 children (eek). Mary was followed by her son Rupprecht, who was followed by his son Albrecht. Albrecht son Franz does not have any children so the next in line after him will be his second son Max.

....and here is where the irony is. Max will be followed by his daughter Sophie who in turn will be followed by her oldest son Joseph. Joseph becomes the first person since James (born at St. JamesPalace) in this long line to have been born in England, he is also the heir through his father to Liechtenstein

[Toledo]

Genealogy for Scotland's House of Stewart

:) royal trivia foot note:
For the Royal Watchers of the Duchess of Alba, her House is listed as descendant of the Stewart Kings on the bottom section Part 5, number 3 letter K

[Toledo]

Genealogy of the United Kingdom from the year 325 to the year 2005. All the family charts are on easy pdf form.

I know of another site that I'll find later on the week that lists the ancestors of Queen Elizabeth II all the way to the Egyptian Ptolomeis in many female line branches. That is another misconception we frequently have, that just because the main male branch became extinct does not mean the line ceased to exist through the female line. In the case of Queen Elizabeth as well as the other Royals, they all trace their history to pre-Christian era times.

Another site with the genealogy of the House of Hannover-Saxe Coburg Gotha-Windsor

[SusanE]

Originally Posted by Oppie

This part I need some help on Henry (full name Henry Benedict Stuart) passed the line on to his cousin Charles Emmanuel IV of Sardinia, who was related through James II sister Heniretta, but I seem to be missing someone here.

Yes, after the death of Henry Benedict Stuart, the Jacobite claim then goes to the descendants of Henrietta Anne, known as Minette, the youngest daughter of Charles I. Here is the link from Charles I to Charles Emmanuel IV of Sardinia.

Charles I > Henrietta Anne, Duchess of Orleans > Anne Marie, Queen of Sardinia > Charles Emmanuel III of Sardinia > Victor Amadeus III of Sardinia > Charles Emmanuel IV of Sardinia

Here is a genealogical table showing the Jacobite kings and their heirs:
http://www.jacobite.ca/gentree.htm

[magnik]

Plantagenet/d'Anjou http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...lantagenet&t=N
Stewart and Stuart http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=p...&n=stewart&t=N ; Stuart #19 http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en&m=NG&n=stuart&t=N
Hannover http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...n=hannover&t=N
von Saxe-Coburg-Gotha http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...burg+und+gotha
Windsor http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...&n=windsor&t=N

[magnik]

Few more on PDF from the royal.gov.uk
Kings of Wessex and England http://www.royal.gov.uk/files/pdf/wessex.pdf
Normans, Plantagenets (Lancasters and Yorks)
http://www.royal.gov.uk/files/pdf/continen.pdf
http://www.royal.gov.uk/files/pdf/plantage.pdf
Tudors and Stuarts http://www.royal.gov.uk/files/pdf/stuarts.pdf
Saxe-Coburg&Gotha and the Windsors http://www.royal.gov.uk/files/pdf/Wi...ily%20tree.pdf

[magnik]

On the Worldroots I found links about
Ireland http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/royal14b.htm
Scotland and Wales http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/royal14.htm

[Toledo]

my post # 996, getting closer to 1000!

I posted these two messages way back in April 2005 and took me a while to unearth them. My post was on, now octogenarian, Queen Elizabeth's II very ancient family tree back to pre-Christian era times. Now we have a more precise genealogy sub-forum I'll share it again as my belated gift to her 80 year old birthday celebration :) :

five descent-lines of Queen Elizabeth of Britain from Julia, sister of Julius Caesar and

descent-line from Queen Cleopatra of Egypt to Queen Elizabeth of Britain
Imagine, our lovely Queen Elizabeth II can rightfully claim she descends from three Continents, Europe, Asia and Africa and their races. And so the Royals and aristocrats related to her family, either in Britain or Continental Europe. Not to many elected politicians have those bragging rights when pushing for votes. Simply put, Queen Elizabeth II has the history of the Western Civilzation running through her veins!

Another old post of mine from April 2005 was also genealogy related. This one I'll recycle below is this one about Queen Elizabeth II and how did I find her spectacular family tree dates back to the begining of civilization as we know it:

The first time I've heard of Queen Elizabeth's mega ancestry was when I found a book from the 1950's in an used books bookstore here in the New England area of the USA. It's called Blood Royal and was fist published in 1956. (I just grabbed it from my shelf next to me) On page 60 and 61 it traces the ancestry of both the Queen and Prince Phillip as far as the children of the Khans, the Caucasus monarchs and the Zoroastrian Shahs of ancient Persia. The book was made by Ian MonCreiffe and Don Pottinger. When I found that site a few years back I've realized that the book was not only accurate but missed more ancestors.

...on page 61 one of the Russian ancestors of both Queen Elizabeth and Prince Phillip is the daugther of Saint Vladimir, Grand Prince of Russia. She was Anna of Kiev, married to Henry I, King of France. Imagine, Queen Elizabeth even has Saints for ancestors too!
And not only that, from her Spanish branch Queen Elizabeth II of Britain descends from Alfonso VI of Castille and his wife, Princess Zaida, who descends from Mohammed I, King of Seville, descendant of the Moorish Princess of Denia who descends from Mujahid Al-Aamiri, King of the Barbary Corsairs.

PS. I also have the companion book of Blood Royal titled Simple Heraldry Cheerfully Illustrated, by the same authors. This site reproduces some of it's content and funny pictures: http://www.geocities.com/barensteel/women.html

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Toledo

The first time I've heard of Queen Elizabeth's mega ancestry was when I found a book from the 1950's in an used books bookstore here in the New England area of the USA. It's called Blood Royal and was first published in 1956... On page 60 and 61 it traces the ancestry of both the Queen and Prince Phillip as far as the children of the Khans, the Caucasus monarchs and the Zoroastrian Shahs of ancient Persia. The book was made by Ian MonCreiffe and Don Pottinger. When I found that site a few years back I've realized that the book was not only accurate but missed more ancestors.

In a similar vein, and probably based on this research is "Royal Highness: Ancestry of the Royal Child", by Sir Iain Moncreiffe of the Ilk, Hamish Hamilton Ltd 1982, which traces the many lines of descent of the new-born Prince William of Wales.
Early ancestors include these, all initiators of lines of descent (the last one a bonus for Toledo :)):

Vologaeses V, Great King of Parthia (Persia and Babylonia) 191-208;
John-Asen I, Tsar of the Bulgars 1186-96;
Lyubomir, Lord of Raska and Grand Zupan (Serbia-Bosnia), 1083-1100;
Lazar, Tsar of the Serbs, slain by the Turks in 1389 at the Battle of Kosovo, along with the enemy Sultan ("the most legendary battle of Serb history");
John Ducas, Caesar, brother of Emperor Constantine XI 1059-67 (Byzantine Empire);
Baldwin II, King of Jerusalem 1118-31;
Borivoj (d 894), last pagan Duke of Bohemia (became a Christian and his widow was killed by pagans);
Charlemagne (Charles the Great), Holy Roman Emperor of the West from 800;
Arpad, Duke of the Magyars (conquered Hungary and Transylvania 895);
Giovanni de Medici (1360-1429), Florentine banker;
Matteo I Visconti, Lord of Milan, Imperial Vicar of Lombardy (1295-1322);
Mieszko I, Duke of Poland of the Piast dynasty (964-92);
Lutuwer, pagan Grand Prince of Lithuania d 1293 (members of who's dynasty were buried with their horses);
Bogdan I, Voivode of Moldavia (1349-65) (expelled the Tartars);
Rurik, first Prince of Novgorod (Russia) 862;
The Cid [El Cid], epic hero of Spain, d 1099.

[Toledo]

the diverse genealogy of the British Royals: Some Ethnic Strains in the Royal Family

[Toledo]

Now this is one peculiar family tree. It's about Spain's top aristocrat, the Duchess of Alba, but the family tree that ties her to the Stewart Kings. But not as a heir but a descendant of the Dukes of Berwick from James Fitz James, King James' illegitimate son by Arabella Churchill, her father Winston Churchill was an ancestor of the prime minister with the same name. That also makes Winston Churchill cousin of the Duchess of Alba? And both seem to be related to Princess Diana's family

The genealogy of the England's Dukes of Berwick and how they became part of Spain's Dukes of Alba.

[Toledo]

I was thinking where to place this link related to archeology and genealogy, but the closest thread I can think of is this one. As all stories, you have to take it with a grain of salt (or so the expression goes) but it still interesting to read the theory of a royal family and their alleged descendants. After the article there are some funny letters to the editor with the reactions that are even more amusing to read than the article itself. My advice, hold on to the money before you buy the book, I'll rather wait for the DNA results

The pharaoh's daughter who was the mother of all Scots
Diane MaClean
September 14, 2006

[PrincessKoreen]

One of my random, favorite hobbies is making a family tree from memory of the genealogy of the British royals and spouses (along with children) from Robert, Duke of Normandy, and Arlette, parents of William I of England, called the "Conqueror," to HRH Princes William and Harry today.

Anyone else do that?

[PrincessKoreen]

Something interesting: HRH the Countess of Wessex is a very distant cousin of HRH the Earl of Wessex, her husband....

Another good link is the "Royal descents of famous people."

[Melania]

Where can I find a detailed family tree of Prince Philip... plus, if possible, one that goes into how he is related to other royal families of Europe? I've looked, but can't seem to find one. Wiki kinda falls short of analyzing Prince Philip's relationships to the other royal houses. Actually, I'm kind of looking for something like on http://www.warholm.nu/Royals under FAQ's where he analyzes how each monarch is related to each other, but I want to find one where they analyze Prince Philip instead.

Thanks if you can help

[Elspeth]

I'm moving this thread over to the Genealogy forum; the mods there might already have a thread they can merge it into, but you're more likely to get responses there than here.

[Leslie2006]

There's a family tree in the front of Hugo Vicker's book Alice: Princess Andrew of Greece. It shows how he's related through the House of Hesse, and the British Royal Family, and of course Denmark, through his father.

[Melania]

Originally Posted by Leslie2006

There's a family tree in the front of Hugo Vicker's book Alice: Princess Andrew of Greece. It shows how he's related through the House of Hesse, and the British Royal Family, and of course Denmark, through his father.

Thank you! I'm also interested in how he is related to the Russian, Swedish, and Spanish royal houses as well. If I can get enough information, I might try to make my own... and then of course share it!

[Warren]

As a descendant of Queen Victoria Prince Philip is related to the Spanish and Swedish Houses through the Queen's granddaughters Ena of Battenberg (who married King Alfonso XIII) and Margaret of Connaught (who married King Gustav VI Adolf). There are other connections but these are the direct lines. The Russian connection comes via Prince Philip's paternal grandmother Queen Olga of Greece, the daughter of Grand Duke Constantine of Russia and granddaughter of Tsar Nikolai I.

Prince Philip's mother Alice was the sister of Louise of Battenberg (later Mountbatten) who became King Gustav VI Adolf's second wife. Philip's Hesse-Darmstadt grandmother Victoria was also a granddaughter of Queen Victoria and the sister of both the ill-fated Grand Duchess Serge and Tsarina Alexandra (Alix) of Russia.

There are probably family trees or lines of descent showing these relationships more clearly in the links in previous posts of this thread.

[Melania]

Thanks Warren for answering my question. I guess this also got me thinking about the Battenberg/ Mountbatten blood line too. The first princess of Battenberg (or at least in more modern times??) was HSH Princess Julia of Battenberg. I think it is interesting how a wife of a morganic marriage could be the ancestress to the future kind of England and the current King of Spain.