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Old 12-06-2017, 11:36 PM
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I do remember seeing a picture of Catherine Carey and thinking she looked an awful lot like Henry VIII ....


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Catherine was certainly said to resemble Henry as she got older. And was given some deference at court. Unlike her brother, her conception and birth do match up with dates Mary was involved with Henry.

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Old 12-07-2017, 12:52 AM
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True, but by that count Prince Harry is believed by some to look like James Hewitt. Doesn’t make Hewitt his biological father.
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Old 01-09-2018, 11:25 AM
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I have questions about the BRF's descent from three distinct lanes: the Prophet Muhammad, the Tang Emperors of China, and Genghis Khan. When it comes to their descent from M, I know there have to be many lines of descent left up for debate.
Has any of this been proven?
I don't remember where I heard this, but someone said they're related to his grandson, Kublai Khan.
Is this true?
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Old 01-09-2018, 01:04 PM
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I have questions about the BRF's descent from three distinct lanes: the Prophet Muhammad, the Tang Emperors of China, and Genghis Khan. When it comes to their descent from M, I know there have to be many lines of descent left up for debate.
Has any of this been proven?
I don't remember where I heard this, but someone said they're related to his grandson, Kublai Khan.
Is this true?
This is the line from Chinese Emperors:

Emperor Su Tsung (Tang)
Ning-Kuo (daughter) m. Moyenhur (Uighur)
Bayanue (daughter) m. Surkhab II (Tabaristan)
Sharwin I
Karim
Shahriyar I
Qarin
Abul Melik
Surkhab
Abul-Hamza
Michke m. Katchik-Gagik (Vaspurakin)
Abu Sahl Hamazasp III
Derenik
Katchik I
Hasan
Abul Gharib
daughter m. Auschin I (Lampron)
Hetum II
Alix m. Balian d'Ibelin

Guy d'Ibelin

Alix d'Ibelin m. Hugh de Lusignan
Jacques I 

James I de Lusignan m. Charlotte Bourbon

Anne de Lusignan m. Louis (Savoy)

Margaret m. Peter (Luxemburg) 1390-1433

Louis

Peter

Marie m. Francis Bourbon

Antoinette m. Claude, Duke of Guise

Mary m. James V of Scotland

James VI

Elizabeth m. Frederick V of Bavaria

Sophia m. Ernst Augustus, Elector of Hanover

George I

George II

Frederick

George III

Edward

Victoria

Edward VII

George V

George VI

Elizabeth II
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Old 01-11-2018, 09:57 AM
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It should be noted that this line of descent is unproven. See the discussion at soc.genealogy.medieval:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc....c/ZE9fujQiJjIJ

It has been claimed that Queen Mary (wife of George V) was a descendant of Genghis Khan through her Hungarian grandmother but that claim hasn't been proven either. Again, see the discussion at soc.genealogy.medieval:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc....A/3A30V2BpEncJ

Ditto for a descent from the prophet Muhammed. Lots of speculation and proposed lines but no proof.
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:54 PM
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as the original poster of the china link, I since discovered that a correction needs to be made. namely that Abul Melik was Qarim's name after he converted to islam
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Does the royal family have any Canadian, Monegasque or islander (Bermuda, Jamaica, St. Kitts, etc.) ancestors?
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:58 PM
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Does the royal family have any Canadian, Monegasque or islander (Bermuda, Jamaica, St. Kitts, etc.) ancestors?
Well, what members? Do you mean Queen Elizabeth II, Duke of Cambrige, Duchess of Sussex? There are many members of the royal family, do you mean born members or members who entered the royal family through marriage?
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:12 PM
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Well, what members? Do you mean Queen Elizabeth II, Duke of Cambrige, Duchess of Sussex? There are many members of the royal family, do you mean born members or members who entered the royal family through marriage?
It could be any of those three.
I’d even say Princess Di—since she is 1/8 American.
I almost said Sarah, Duchess of York and Camilla too, but I know for a fact that both of them have a Canadian ancestry; so, I excluded them in my questions.
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Old 02-14-2019, 10:54 PM
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It could be any of those three.
I’d even say Princess Di—since she is 1/8 American.
I almost said Sarah, Duchess of York and Camilla too, but I know for a fact that both of them have a Canadian ancestry; so, I excluded them in my questions.
I checked Lady Di, but there doesn't seem to be any Canadian ancestry in her nearest ancestry chart.

Still didn't check Sarah and Camilla. If you know some fact, please provide us!

Thnx
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Old 02-15-2019, 02:42 PM
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I checked Lady Di, but there doesn't seem to be any Canadian ancestry in her nearest ancestry chart.

Still didn't check Sarah and Camilla. If you know some fact, please provide us!

Thnx
Both Sarah & Camilla’s Canadian bloodlines are heavily written about under the Ancestry section of their Wikipedia pages.
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Old 02-17-2019, 10:10 PM
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Also, is Diana related to any of the founders of the 13 Colonies (William Penn, George Carteret, etc.)?
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Old 07-09-2019, 12:54 PM
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Inspired by reading recently that the society of Royal Bastards offered to include Elizabeth the II, as she apparently descends from an illegitimate child of Henry II, this got me thinking.

Do we know how many different royal lines of descent the Queen has? What I mean is, how many other kings and queens of scotland or england is she descended from, other than the official line of succession?

Obviously far enough back almost any nobility in the tree will eventually be descended from William the Conqueror.
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Old 07-09-2019, 02:02 PM
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Inspired by reading recently that the society of Royal Bastards offered to include Elizabeth the II, as she apparently descends from an illegitimate child of Henry II, this got me thinking.



Do we know how many different royal lines of descent the Queen has? What I mean is, how many other kings and queens of scotland or england is she descended from, other than the official line of succession?



Obviously far enough back almost any nobility in the tree will eventually be descended from William the Conqueror.

We do know this. I don’t have it handy right now, but it has been well documented. I want to say she’s descended from every English monarch who has traceable living descendants, and is only not descended from a handful of British monarchs with living descendants - these would be Charles I, Charles II, James II, and William IV. William and Harry are descended from the Charleses and James through their mother.

The only other British monarchs she is not descended from are William III and Mary II, Anne, and George IV, who do not have confirmed living descendants. Of the English monarchs, she’s not descended from William II, Richard I, Richard II, Edward V, Richard III, Henry VIII, Edward VI, Jane, Mary I, or Elizabeth I, none of whom have living descendants. I’m not sure if she is descended from Stephen or not.
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Old 07-09-2019, 02:25 PM
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Yes, Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of King Stephen, through his daughter Mary Countess of Boulogne.
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Old 07-09-2019, 02:29 PM
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Thank you! I couldn’t remember if he fell in the “no known living descendants” category or the “ancestor of QEII” category.

I want to say that Scotland is similar in that all the Scottish monarchs fall into one of those two categories, but I can’t remember precisely who falls who beyond the obvious ones and don’t have my research handy.
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Old 07-09-2019, 04:02 PM
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Brilliant!
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Old 07-09-2019, 04:42 PM
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She's also not descended from Henry V and VI who have no living descendants. And Edward VIII, of course.
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