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This is what I have found. Let me know if I have missed any lines.
Royal descendants of Johan-Willem-Friso of Orange-Nassau:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...rive_web#gid=2

I like the different ways we approach the search, Ish. Your way is very, very extensive and exact. I think that there isn't a person left out in your lists.
My way is much more focussed on the main-line. I only branch-out when there is a cross-connection. Which leaves out many people.

BTW:
I extended the Prince-Philip-line:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...rive_web#gid=3
Apart from Queen Victoria, and Kings George I and II, he is also descendant from Johan-Willem-Friso and of William the Silent.
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Hmm... okay, so the two lines won't work together because they're headed towards a different common ancestor. If you extended the common ancestor to be Edward IV or Edward III, you could add Catherine into it, but it would be a good amount of extra work for not a lot of extra information.

For Johan Willem Friso, I don't think you've missed anyone for what you've got on him so far.
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Old 05-31-2014, 04:37 PM
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I've updated my previous chart tracing the descendants of Queen Victoria, as well as expanded it.

http://1drv.ms/1kiHUV3

http://1drv.ms/1kiHIFf

The first link is for charts regarding British lines - Victoria, George III, and George II (I'm currently working on George I, and will update again once it's done). The second link has charts for Christian IX of Denmark and Johan Willem Friso.

For the Victoria, Christian, and J.W.F. lines I've used both the Peerage and Wikipedia (and for the J.W.F. line I did a lot of googling to try to complete the Mexican lines), but for the Georges I've only used the Peerage. All the lines are somewhat lacking in regards to any births/deaths/marriages/divorces that have happened in the last couple years, especially regarding houses that aren't as well known. I've highlighted the monarchs and heir apparents of all currently existing realms (as well as the previous heirs who died before becoming monarch), the realms that previously existed and branched off of the specific individuals that I've looked at (the Hanovers, Saxe-Coburg and Gothas, and the Greeks), the House of Orange (since that was J.W.F.'s realm), and the Jacobite line of succession (because of future planned projects). I've bolded all of the currently reigning monarchs, and the current pretenders based on the list of pretenders found on Wikipedia (with the exception of Mexico and Brazil, these are all European houses).

I'll update it again when I finish George I's line.
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:41 PM
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Alright, so I've finished George I and his mother, Sophie of the Palatinate.

http://1drv.ms/1ltZNAL

In order to keep the size down so that the file doesn't need to be downloaded, I've deleted the list of monarchs/pretenders that I'm referring to on this file, but it's still available on files for the later Georges/Victoria and Christian/J.W.F. that I linked in my last post, and updated so as to show what George I/Sophie add to the mix (Sophie doesn't have any living descendants who are not also descended from her son).

I'm not certain what my next project will be... I'm thinking of highlighting the people passed over by the Act of Succession.
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Mary Lynch ‏@princesspleats 4 mins4 minutes ago

HRH Prince George of Cambridge can trace his direct patriline back to Elimar I Count of Oldenburg. He reigned from 1101 to 1108
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Princes William and Harry are related to James Bond

Princes William and Harry are almost certainly related, through the Milne family of Aberdeenshire, to the man who was, in large part, the model for the fictional British spy, James Bond.

According to my research, Princes William and Harry share a common descent from the Milne family with a friend of the author of the James Bond novels, Ian Fleming, called Robin Ian Evelyn Milne Stuart de la Lanne-Mirrlees (born Grinnell-Milne) of Inchdrewer, Baron of Inchdrewer, who died in 2012 on his private Hebridean island of Great Bernera. Robin de la Lanne-Mirrlees was a Captain in the Royal Artillery during the Second World War and was later appointed by the Queen as Rouge Dragon Pursuivant and then Richmond Herald at the College of Arms in London. Robin de la Lanne-Mirrlees helped Ian Fleming to develop the James Bond alias, genealogist Sir Hilary Bray, for the 1963 book 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service', which was based on his position as a herald. By Princess Margarethe of Wurttemberg he had an illegitimate son, Patrick Grinnell-Milne de la Lanne-Mirlees, who in 2006 became the mayor of Delmenhorst in Lower Saxony.

Robin de la Lanne-Mirrlees (Grinnell-Milne) was the son of a famous and much-decorated First World War fighter pilot and author of war-time escape diaries, Captain Duncan William Grinnell-Milne MC, DFC (1896–1973), who was descended from a Mylne/Milne family of Banff, north of Aberdeen. In 1713 a member of this family, James Milne, murdered George Ogilvy, 3rd Lord Banff, who had insulted his young wife, and burnt down his castle at Inchdrewer, but he was cleared of a charge of murder. The castle, which is haunted by a lady in the form of a white dog, was later acquired and partly restored by Robin de la Lanne-Mirrlees (Grinnell-Milne), and, in 2014, was bought by the Russian model and fashion designer, 'Princess' Olga Roh, along with the feudal title, Baroness of Inchdrewer.

Princes William and Harry are descended through their mother, Princess Diana, from Alexander Milne of Fyvie, Aberdeenshire, which is only 16 miles from Banff.

The Milne family (also spelt Miln, Myln, Mylne) is not a Highland clan but a sept (followers) of the Gordon clan and appears to have accompanied Sir Adam de Gordon, Lord of Gordon, Berwickshire, to Aberdeenshire in the early 14th century when Sir Adam was granted the Lordship of Strathbogie (Huntly, Aberdeenshire) after the battle of Halidon Hill (1333). The Milnes are widespread in Aberdeenshire and, I am glad to say, have been a constant public nuisance in that part of Scotland since the Middle Ages. I believe that all Milnes from North-East Scotland share a common ancestor, who was undoubtedly a trouble-maker. According to the Lyon Clerk and Keeper of the Records at the Office of the Lord Lyon King of Arms in Edinburgh, the first Milnes mentioned in the records were Hugh and Johannes de Molendino (Latin for Milne) who were excommunicated from Fyvie in 1382 by the local bishop for refusing to pay their rent. And, of course, James Milne burnt down Inchdrewer Castle in 1713 when the owner insulted his wife. The roll-calls of the Gordon Highlanders and the Black Watch are stuffed with Milnes and I suspect that the army was the only place they could be kept under some sort of control. They certainly seem to have lived up to the Gordon clan motto 'Bydand', which means 'Steadfast', and translates into English as 'as stubborn as a mule'. A branch of the family were Master Masons to the Kings of Scots for seven generations and Robert Mylne (1663-1710), Master Mason to Charles II, built the Palace of Holyroodhouse based on plans which he prepared with Sir William Bruce, Surveyor of the King's Works. Admiral Sir Archibald Berkeley ('Arky-Barky') Milne, 2nd and last Bt. (1855-1938), son and grandson of Admirals, was Commander-in-Chief of the Mediterranean Fleet at the start of the First World War and is famous for saying 'They don't pay me to think, they pay me to be an Admiral'. Another member of the family, Alexander Mylne (1474-1548/9), Abbot of Cambuskenneth, was first Lord President of the Court of Session (1532-1543), an example of good behaviour which the family tries hard to conceal. The family tartan is a shocking mixture of red and white, which is probably designed to offend the eye from at least 6 miles away. Interestingly, Princes William and Harry have more Milne in their make-up than Stuart, the former Scottish royal house. I am convinced that Prince Harry has inherited his more rowdy tendencies from the Milne family, which is what we like to see; it would be a huge disappointment to see a Milne behaving himself.

Descent of Princess Diana from the Milne family of Fyvie, Aberdeenshire

Alexander Milne of Fyvie, Aberdeenshire
Alexander Ogston of Tarves (1766-1838) = Helen Milne (b 12 May 1776 m 14 Jun 1796 d 20 Jan 1842)
David Gill (1797-1868) = Sarah Ogston (1797-1872)
Alexander Ogston Gill of Fairfield, Aberdeen (1833-1908 = Barbara Smith Marr (b 1843)
Col. William Smith Gill (1865-1957) = Ruth Littlejohn (1879-1964)
Edmund Maurice Burke Roche (1885-1955), 4th Baron Fermoy = Ruth Sylvia Gill (1908-1993)
Edward John Spencer (1924-1992), 8th Earl Spencer = Frances Ruth Burke Roche (b 1936)
Diana, Princess of Wales (1961-1997)

Descent of Robin Ian Evelyn Milne Stuart de la Lanne-Mirrlees (born Grinnell-Milne) from the Milne family of Aberdeenshire

David Mylne of Banffshire (later Aberdeenshire)
Robert Mylne (b. circa 1540) of Banffshire
Patrick Mylne (b. circa 1580), Burgess of Banff, of Montcoffer, Banffshire
James Mylne (b. 1642), Burgess of Banff = Agnes Hackett
John Milne of Boyndie Milne, Banffshire, Burgess of Banff = Elspeth Stuart of Oxhill
James Milne of Boyndie Milne, Banffshire = Violet Fraser
James Milne of Banff = Isobel Milne (daughter of Alexander Milne of Milne of Alvah, Banffshire)
John Milne (b. 1772) = Jean Milne (daughter of Alexander Milne, 2nd of Chapelton, Forfar)
George Milne (28 December 1815, d. 1897) = Helen Elizabeth Grinnell (daughter of Hon. George Grinnell, a member of the the US Congress)
George Grinnell-Milne (b. 26 May 1853, d. 4 April 1931) = Maria Caroline Mess (d. 1940)
Duncan William Grinnell-Milne (b. 6 August 1896, d. 1973) = (1) Frances Warrington La Lanne of Philadelphia
Robin Ian Evelyn Grinnell-Milne (later Milne Stuart de la Lanne-Mirrlees) of Inchdrewer, Baron of Inchdrewer (b. 13 Jan 1925, d. 23 Jun 2012)

Links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_...Lanne-Mirrlees
'Dashing' Scottish aristocrat whose bed-hopping ways were inspiration for James Bond dies, aged 87 | Daily Mail Online
Count Robin de la Lanne-Mirrlees - Telegraph
Russian Princess Olga Roh 'can't wait to visit Scottish castle' | Daily Mail Online
The aristocrat who inspired Fleming's James Bond – and a £500,000 row over his islands - Telegraph
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Berkeley_Milne

http://www.peerage.org/genealogy/mirrlees.jpg

The real James Bond - Robin Ian Evelyn Milne Stuart le Comte de la Lanne-Mirrlees with Princess Margarethe of Wurttemberg at the premiere of The Long Memory at the Leicester Square Theatre. 22 January 1953. They had an illegitimate son, Patrick Grinnell-Milne de la Lanne-Mirlees.

http://www.peerage.org/genealogy/Fle...impression.jpg

Impression of James Bond drawn by the author, Ian Fleming.
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Princess Charlotte of Cambridge, Prince George of Cambridge, The Duke of Cambridge and The Prince of Wales are male-line descendants of Elimar I, Count of Oldenburg.(1040-1112)

Elimar I is also the patrilineal ancestor of Margrethe II of Denmark, Harald V of Norway, and Constantine II of Greece,
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Old 09-06-2016, 04:41 AM
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Princess Charlotte of Cambridge, Prince George of Cambridge, The Duke of Cambridge and The Prince of Wales are male-line descendants of Elimar I, Count of Oldenburg.(1040-1112)

Elimar I is also the patrilineal ancestor of Margrethe II of Denmark, Harald V of Norway, and Constantine II of Greece,
Of course.

Agnatically they are members of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg dynasty which in turn is one of the lines of the House of Oldenburg.

Just like Queen Elizabeth II is agnatically a member of Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha dynasty, which in turn is one of the lines of the House of Saxony (Wettin).

That also goes for all other members of the royal family who are not descendants of Prince Philip, such as Duke of Gloucester, Due of Kent, Prince Michael of Kent and their male line descendants.
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I was reading up on the Rothschild banking family. I found that they married into British aristocracy, with a Rothschild marrying a (I forget the title, I believe it's Earl) of Sunderland in the early 1910s or 1920s.
I was wondering if the Rothschilds or also the Earls Howe are related to the BRF?
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Old 05-06-2017, 12:17 PM
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I was reading up on the Rothschild banking family. I found that they married into British aristocracy, with a Rothschild marrying a (I forget the title, I believe it's Earl) of Sunderland in the early 1910s or 1920s.
I was wondering if the Rothschilds or also the Earls Howe are related to the BRF?
The Rothschilds have married into the British aristocracy a few times, but never an Earl of Sunderland. That title was merged with the Dukes of Marlborough in 1733 and there hasn't been a Rothschilds/Spencer-Churchill marriage.

Archibald Primrose, 5th Earl of Rosebery married Hannah de Rotschild, who was the daughter of Mayer Amschel de Rothschild. Hannah was Mayer's only child, and thus the wealthiest heiress in Britain at the time.

George Herbert, 5th Earl of Carnarvon married Almina Wombwell, who was the illegitimate daughter of Alfred de Rothschild. Alfred never married, and Almina was his only child and thus inherited a considerable amount from him.

Hugh Cholmondeley, 6th Marquess of Cholmondeley married Sybil Sassoon; her father was from the wealthy British-Indian Sassoon family dubbed to be the "Rothschilds of the East", and her mother was Aline de Rothschild, of the French branch of the family.
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The Rothschilds have married into the British aristocracy a few times, but never an Earl of Sunderland. That title was merged with the Dukes of Marlborough in 1733 and there hasn't been a Rothschilds/Spencer-Churchill marriage.

Archibald Primrose, 5th Earl of Rosebery married Hannah de Rotschild, who was the daughter of Mayer Amschel de Rothschild. Hannah was Mayer's only child, and thus the wealthiest heiress in Britain at the time.

George Herbert, 5th Earl of Carnarvon married Almina Wombwell, who was the illegitimate daughter of Alfred de Rothschild. Alfred never married, and Almina was his only child and thus inherited a considerable amount from him.

Hugh Cholmondeley, 6th Marquess of Cholmondeley married Sybil Sassoon; her father was from the wealthy British-Indian Sassoon family dubbed to be the "Rothschilds of the East", and her mother was Aline de Rothschild, of the French branch of the family.
Ah.
Are any current members of the BRF descended from those marriages?
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Old 05-06-2017, 03:19 PM
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I don't believe so. The Rothschild family is a fairly "young" family compared to most British aristocrats; these marriages all happened fairly recently; the Primrose-Rothchild marriage happened in 1878, the Carnarvon-Wombwell marriage in 1895, and the Cholmondeley-Rothchild marriage in 1913.

The founder of the family, Mayer Amschel Rothschild, lived from 1744-1812, and was a German Jew. His wealth put him on a path to great connections, but his religion would have limited his (or his family's) prospects for great marriages, and the family's not been around long enough for the descendants of the marriages to spread far into the nobility of Europe.

The genealogy of the Rothschild family can be looked up here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneal...hschild_family
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I read the article long before you posted it.
It was interesting.

I remember seeing a question I posted asking if HM The Queen is related to Leka II of Albania.
What about Diana?
And is Diana related to any Kings of France, Spain or Russia?
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Diana is descended from King Charles II of England through his illegitimate sons Henry Ist Duke of Grafton and Charles, 1st Duke of Richmond.

http://www.unofficialroyalty.com/col...art-ancestors/

Charles II's mother, Henrietta Maria, was the daughter of Henry IV, King of France, and his wife Mary who was the daughter of Francis, Grand Duke of Tuscany.
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(Replying to Curryong's quote)
Thanks for the info.
Is Diana related to the Earls Howe?
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Thanks for the info.
Is Diana related to the Earls Howe?
There are a lot of free genealogical databases. You can find the answer youself.
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Maybe someone here can answer and clarify a question I have. What is the difference between being related and being descended from?

I'm thinking that cousins 36 times removed would show that they have an ancestor in common but aren't really related in the normal sense of the world. Such as Diana was descended from Charles II's bastard but that doesn't mean she's related to him.

This is puzzling me. I'm not much of a genealogist at all and just wondering.
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Maybe someone here can answer and clarify a question I have. What is the difference between being related and being descended from?

I'm thinking that cousins 36 times removed would show that they have an ancestor in common but aren't really related in the normal sense of the world. Such as Diana was descended from Charles II's bastard but that doesn't mean she's related to him.

This is puzzling me. I'm not much of a genealogist at all and just wondering.


Example: The Queen is related to Edward VIII, but she is descended from George VI.


Edward is someone who she has a direct family relation with (his father is her grandfather), but George is someone who is in her direct ancestry.

You are related to everyone you descend from, but you're not descended from everyone you're related to.

Charles II is most definitely someone Diana was related to, as he was a direct ancestor that she descended from. It's not a close relation - I think she's something like Charles' 7x great-granddaughter.
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Thanks for the info.
Is Diana related to the Earls Howe?


Diana's grandmother, Lady Cynthia Hamilton (wife of Albert Spencer, 7th Earl Spencer), was the granddaughter of Lady Mary Anna Curzon-Howe, who herself was the daughter of Richard Curzon-Howe, 1st Earl Howe (of the 2nd creation).

She is more closely related to the 6th Earl than the 7th Earl (and present) though Mary Anna was born from the second marriage of the 1st Earl, and the Earldom descended through the sons of his first marriage. However, one of the granddaughters through the second marriage married the 5th Earl, and was mother to the 6th, making it a closer relation to the Spencers. The 7th Earl is the first cousin of the 6th, and so is not descended from the 1st Earl's second marriage.

That got complicated....
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There are a lot of free genealogical databases. You can find the answer youself.
I have tried to Google some, but have had no luck.
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