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Old 10-11-2013, 04:59 PM
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Something's weird. I write something and when I click "Submit", my post gets put in the thread I was in prior to opening the new one I want to post to...
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Old 10-11-2013, 05:21 PM
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There is nothing "weird" going on. You keep creating new threads although they all relate to British Royal Family genealogy. Therefore they have been merged into the one existing thread.
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His sources aren't in there.
What do you mean "His sources aren't in there."?
Sir Iain Moncreeiffe of that Ilk, Albany Herald at Arms, was a heraldist and genealogical historian. He was President of the Association of Genealogists and Record Agents, Vice President of the Scottish Genealogy Society, Fellow of the Society of Genealogists, a Member of the Court of the Lord Lyon King of Arms etc etc and a former Chairman of Debretts.

His book "Royal Highness - Ancestry of the Royal Child" contains about 80 separate and detailed genealogical lines of descent in over 100 pages. There would be thousands of names listed. Did you expect to find that the original sources for each and every name, date, relationship, anecdote and historical fact that appears in the book be provided?

Genealogical lines of descent of this quality are rare and don't become "out of date" after 30 years. You either accept them or you do your own research and try to come up with something better.
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Old 10-11-2013, 05:25 PM
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Something's weird. I write something and when I click "Submit", my post gets put in the thread I was in prior to opening the new one I want to post to...
What's happened is the other threads have been moved by the mods into this one.

Pertaining to William's ancestry; I don't know if he's related to any of the Asian monarchies although if he is it's a very distant one. Most Asian monarchies had at least a degree of isolation and wouldn't have married a Westerner.

With the Albanian family, I don't know the line of descent but given as William has a lengthy ancestry in Eastern European monarchies it's very likely that somewhere they have a common ancestor.

As to the lack of sources in Ian Moncreiffe's book, depending on the audience it was intended for it's not necessarily all that uncommon. If it was meant for a more academic audience then it would - or should - be heavily on the sources, but if it's meant for a more general audience it's likely to be light on the sources listed.

The book being 30 years old isn't a problem at all. While some fields change a lot in a short period of time, history and genealogy doesn't - sometimes our understanding of events changes, and the way in which we interpret events changes, but the history typically stands. One thing that should be questioned - especially if there's a lack of sourcing - is what is the bias, and what claims are being made that can be debated.

A good portion of the genealogy here isn't debatable; you can clearly trace the lines of royal and noble families through history. The problem I that you often hit a point where the genealogy isn't necessarily clear. Prior to the modern era, history wasn't always clearly recorded and things that were mythical were recorded as fact - remember, Henry VII once traced his ancestry to King Arthur. When looking at the connections made it's important to try to determine when and by whom they were made - and what the purpose behind making them was.

My recommendation is to check out multiple sources, and even Wikipedia, before taking something as fact. We know that Henry wasn't likely descended from Arthur, any more than he was also descended from Woden (also claimed at one point).
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Old 10-11-2013, 05:35 PM
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There is nothing "weird" going on...
A few responses.

1) That makes sense. Didn't know that at the time that they were merged.
2) I just was making a point. Good point, they probably don't.
And for most of the lines I looked up, I couldn't look up better research.

I also do have a question for you.
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Old 10-12-2013, 08:56 PM
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Is William related to:
--Hermann, Prince of Wied?
One of many lines is:

Count Alexander zu Dohna-Schlobitten (1661-1728)
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Count Albrecht zu Dohna-Schlobitten (1698-1752)
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Countess Friederike zu Dohna-Schlobitten (1738-1786)
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Duke Friedrich von Hosltein-Sonderburg-Beck (1757-1816)
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Duke Wilhelm von Schleswig-Hosltein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg (1785-1851)
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King Christian IX of Denamrk (1818-1906)
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Princess Alexandra of Denmark (1844-1925)
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King George V of Great Britain (1865-1936)
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King George VI of Great Britain (1895-1952)
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Queen Elizabeth II of Great Briatin (1926-)
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales (1948-)
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Prince William, Duke of Cambridge (1982-)

and

Count Alexander zu Dohna-Schlobitten (1661-1728)
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Count Albrecht zu Dohna-Schlobitten (1698-1752)
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Countess Louise Charlotte zu Dohna-Schlodien (1688-1736)
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Prince Johann Friedrich zu Wied (1706-1791)
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Prince Friedrich Carl zu Wied (1741-1802)
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Prince Johann August zu Wied-Neuwied (1775-1836)
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Prince Hermann zu Wied (1814-1864)

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--Any Asian royal families?
Besides the Queen Mother's Islamic ancestry.
The Queen visited China in 1986 and as a present she got her ancestry line from the Chinese Emperors(through Mary of Teck),so I guess there are some chances that she is very distantly related to some of them...

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And are the Albanian royal family related to the Albanian royals that William's related to?
If he's related to them, I want to see the lines of descent.
I didn't understand the question,but Albanian royal family is related to Prince William.Here is the line of Albanian royal family from Prince Johann Georg II von Anhalt-Dessau (1627-1693) and the line to Prince William:

Prince Johann Georg II von Anhalt-Dessau (1627-1693)
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Prince Leopold I von Anhalt-Dessau (1676-1747)
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Prince Leopold I von Anhalt-Dessau (1700-1751)
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Princess Agnes von Anhalt-Dessau (1744-1799)
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Baroness Agnes von Loen (1783-1832)
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Count Hermann von Seherr-Thoss (1810-1893)
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Countess Marguerite von Seherr-Thoss (1848-1931)
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Count Gyula Apponyi de Nagy-Apponyi (1873-1924)
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Countess Geraldine Apponyi de Nagy-Apponyi (1915-2002)
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King Leka I of Albania (1939-2011)

and

Prince Johann Georg II von Anhalt-Dessau (1627-1693)
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Princess Henriette Amalia von Anhalt-Dessau (1666-1726)
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Prince Johan Willem Friso of Orange-Nassau (1689-1711)
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Prince Willem IV of Orange-Nassau (1711-1751)
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Princess Carolina of Orange-Nassau (1743-1787)
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Pincess Henriette von Nassau-Weilburg (1780-1857)
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Duke Alexander von Württemberg (1804-1885)
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Duke Franz von Teck (1844-1900)
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Princess Mary von Teck (1867-1953)
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King George VI of Great Britain (1895-1952)
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Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain (1926-)
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Prince Charles, Prince of Wales (1948-)
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Prince William, Duke of Cambridge (1982-)
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Old 10-19-2013, 04:12 PM
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Hi Ish,
About Infanta Alicia & Marie Therese's lines, you gave me their lines from Friso. What would QEII's line be from JWFriso?
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Old 10-20-2013, 01:41 PM
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It's already there, if you look.
Elizabeth II's line of descent from Prince Johan Willem Friso appears in Marc23's post directly above yours.
You can also find it in Ish's post #324 and Marengo's post #318.
It doesn't need to be repeated a fourth time.
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Old 10-20-2013, 01:47 PM
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I also posted it, along with the descent of the other currently reigning monarchs.
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Old 10-27-2013, 05:00 PM
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Is HM the Queen related to:

1) The current Earl of Kellie
2) Margaret of Mar, 31st Countess of Mar
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Old 10-28-2013, 05:24 AM
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Is HM the Queen related to:

1) The current Earl of Kellie
They are related...if not closer through British nobility(which is not very likely to believe that they aren't),they have both descended from Prince William "the Silent" of Nassau-Orange and his wife Juliane zu Stolberg-Wernigerode...

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2) Margaret of Mar, 31st Countess of Mar
Yes,distantly...One of the mutual lines is from Sir William Cavendish of Chatsworth...
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:56 AM
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Quick question: Was Queen Victoria related to Christian IX? And is QEII related to him as well?
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And is QEII related to him as well?
Yes. Her Majesty is a great-great-granddaughter o King Christian IX of Denmark.

Christian IX --- Queen Alexandra --- George V --- George VI --- Elizabeth II.
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Yes. Her Majesty is a great-great-granddaughter o King Christian IX of Denmark.

Christian IX --- Queen Alexandra --- George V --- George VI --- Elizabeth II.
Thanks for the info.
Also were Queen Victoria and Christian related?
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Thanks for the info.
Also were Queen Victoria and Christian related?
According to wikipedia they were third cousins..
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Quick question: Was Queen Victoria related to Christian IX? And is QEII related to him as well?
Victoria and Christian were both descended from George II and Caroline of Ansbach.

Victoria:
  1. George II and Caroline of Ansbach
  2. Frederick, Prince of Wales
  3. George III
  4. Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn
  5. Victoria
Christian
  1. George II and Caroline of Ansbach
  2. Princess Louise of Great Britain
  3. Princess Louise of Denmark
  4. Princess Louise Caroline of Hesse-Cassel
  5. Christian IX
In addition to the Queen being descended from both (Christian's daughter, Alexandra, having married Victoria's son and heir, Edward VII), the DoE is also descended from both. He descends from Victoria in a maternal line (Victoria -> Princess Alice of Great Britain -> Princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine -> Princess Alice of Battenberg -> the DoE) and from Christian in a paternal line (Christian -> George I of Greece -> Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark -> the DoE).
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