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Old 04-04-2013, 10:27 PM
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Yes - and so they are descended from the Stuart and Tudors as well.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:33 PM
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That's what I was thinking you meant. I just had a moment of "wait, are there a lot of modern monarchies descended from the Tudor-Stuarts but not the Hanovers?"
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Australian Royal Lineage & my own line

Hi guys!
I'm interested in any other Australians that have been able to trace their roots back to royalty.

It has been a fascinating and extraordinary journey of discovery for me to find that my GG Grandmother had royal connections, (which had been rumoured but never backed up) ,until several years ago and much research.

My GG Grandmother was Louisa Florence Manners, and her line goes way back to Sir Thomas Manners 1st Earl of Rutland, his Father George married Anne St Leger, daughter of Anne of Exeter Plantaganet, daughter of Richard III Duke of York.

I also have an interest in my own family name, Cowley which has been associated with the Duke of Wellington but i've found no connection, All of my Cowley line came from Gloustershire.

This is my lineage to Richard the third duke of York.

Richard III Duke of York Plantagenet (1411 - 1460) is your 17th great grandfather
Anne of York, Duchess of Exeter Plantagenet (1439 - 1475) daughter of Richard III Duke of York Plantagenet
Lady Anne St Leger (1466 - 1526) daughter of Anne of York, Duchess of Exeter Plantagenet
Sir Thomas Manners 1st Earl of Rutland (1488 - 1543) son of Lady Anne St Leger
Sir Thomas (lusty) Manners of Nottingham Castle (1537 - 1591) son of Sir Thomas Manners 1st Earl of Rutland
Sir Charles Manners (1571 - 1627) son of Sir Thomas (lusty) Manners of Nottingham Castle <---found convicted of Recusancy fled to Wiltshire?
Thomas Manners (1600 - 1627) son of Sir Charles Manners
James Manners (1627 - 1725) son of Thomas Manners
Henry Manners (1652 - 1740) son of James Manners
Joseph Manners (1682 - ) son of Henry Manners
David Manners (1709 - 1783) son of Joseph Manners
Mary Manners (1754 - 1790) daughter of David Manners
Joseph Hillier Manners (1777 - 1841) son of Mary Manners <---illegitimate son to Joseph Hillier (married after son was born) kept mothers name.
Henry Manners Senior (1816 - 1867) son of Joseph Hillier Manners
Henry Manners Junior (1836 - 1909) son of Henry Manners Senior
<---moved to Adelaide South Australia with family
Louisa Florence Manners (1868 - 1965) daughter of Henry Manners Junior
Doris Dell Fauser (1899 - 1998) daughter of Louisa Florence Manners
Edith Dell Trowse (1919 - 1990) daughter of Doris Dell Fauser
Terence Maxwell Cowley (1943 - ) son of Edith Dell Trowse
Jason Travis Cowley You are the son of Terence Maxwell Cowley

Amazingly the Manners line continues back to the time of the Norman conquest of England.
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Old 07-23-2013, 12:15 PM
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I am descended from Edward I

  1. Edward I of England (17 June 1239 – 7 July 1307) m. Eleanor of Castile (1241 – 28 November 1290)
  2. Joan of Acre (April 1272-April 23, 1307) m. Gilbert de Clare, 7th Earl of Gloucester (2 September 1243-7 December 1295)
  3. Margaret de Clare (October 1293-April 1342) m. Piers Gaveston, 1st Earl of Cornwall (c. 1284-19 June 1312)
  4. Amy de Gaveston (1311-1340) m. John de Driby (c. 1289-c. 1357)
  5. Alice de Driby (c. 1340-1412) m. Sir Ralph Basset (c. 1329-1378)
  6. Jane Basset (c. 1368-c. 1394) m .Sir John de Stourton (c. 1361-405)
  7. Sir John Stourton (c. 1390-1438)
  8. Alice Stourton (c. 1431-1491) m. Robert Hill (1421-1493)
  9. Johanna Hill (c. 1470-1557) m. Sir Nicholas Wadham (1472-1542)
  10. Mary Wadham (c. 1495-?) m. Sir Richard Chudleigh (d. 1558)
  11. Wilmot Chudleigh (d. 1569) m. Richard Coffin (d. 1555)
  12. James Coffin (c. 1512-1566)
  13. Peter Coffin (c. 1535-1560)
  14. Nicholas Coffin (1555-1613)
  15. Peter Coffin (1580-1627) m. Joanne Kember
  16. Tristram Coffin (1609-1681) m. Dionis Stevens
Tristram Coffin is ancestor to a huge number of Americans; if you have any New England ancestry, there's a good chance it includes him.
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Old 07-23-2013, 07:39 PM
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I'm a descendant of British royalty but don't have proof of it nor do I have any names. Does anyone know of a British royal who individuals from the American mid-west can trace their ancestry.
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Edward I Longshanks, King of England was my 22nd great grandfather.

It goes like this,

Me!

Edgar Melton
my father

show 21 relatives
Luther Melton, Sr
his father

Benjamin Melton
his father

George Melton
his father

Allen Melton
his father

James Melton
his father

James Melton
his father

Mary Preston
his mother

Capt. Luke Smith
her father

Hannah Smith
his mother

Capt. Luke Hitchcock
her father

John Hiscocke
his father

Robert Richard Hitchcock
his father

John Hitchcock
his father

Mary Hitchcock
his mother

Lady Anne Savage (de Brostick)
her mother

Elizabeth Skryven
her mother

Anne Dutton
her mother

Eleanor Tuchet (de Holland), Baroness Audley
her mother

Edmund Holland, 4th Earl of Kent
her father

Thomas Holland, 2nd Earl of Kent
his father

Joan of Kent, Countess of Kent
his mother


Edmund of Woodstock, 1st Earl of Kent
her father

Edward I Longshanks, King of England
his father
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:32 AM
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My last royal ancestor (I think) was John of Gaunt (the 16th richest man in history; unfortunately he did not pass it on to all of his line). I am also descended from Joan of Acre (hello cousins), Gwyneth of Wales (Llewellyn Fawr's elder son), Princess Joan and Llewelyn Fawr, and Black Will de Braose. Naturally, that means descent from a host of others (like most people who can claim any Platagenet descendency, I have lots of ancestors from the Normans; it always surprises me when I find one more set of third or fourth cousins on that side marrying each other; it shouldn't surprise me by now, but it does).

I descend from two of Eleanor of Aquitane's children, for example, as some of her gggrandchildren intermarried.

John of Gaunt's daughter (my gXgrandmother) was Duchess of Exeter, I title I rather fancy. I wouldn't know any of this had my family not had professional genealogists to connect them up (I descend from Taylors, Thorntons and Savages who were at Jamestown). I wouldn't quite be comfortable being more specific, down to the generations (nor would my mother, I think).

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I'm afraid not only most of the world would have to die first, but the law should be changed as well.
As it is, only legitimate protestant descendants of Sophie, Electress of Hanover can ascend to the British Throne.
I think if most of the world dies off, we can manage a simple legal change.

Illegitimate and female lines would have to be included for me to be in the succession.
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:38 AM
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I think if most of the world dies off, we can manage a simple legal change.

Illegitimate and female lines would have to be included for me to be in the succession.
Female lines can already ascend to the throne. It's just illegitimate lines and those who are descended from an earlier ancestor than Sophie of Hanover.

I think the closest I get is descent through James IV of Scotland, through an illegitimate line. I can trace my line to most of the Scottish monarchs before him, and most of the English monarchs before Henry VII.
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:54 PM
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direct descendant of william 1 ( william the conquerer)

Hi Im Helen Hayden, my fathers line is a direct line from King William the second de peverell through de cardon/de heydon/hayden to this day, william 1 is my 34th gr grandfather I live in australia, so suppose id have some title if henry the 1st hadnt stole the throne!!

William 11 de Peverell king rufus the red ( - 1100)
is your 33rd great grandfather

William (guilame) Heydon DeCardon . Knight (1064 - 1087)
son of William 11 de Peverell king rufus the red

Sir William De Heydon (1080 - 1175)
son of William (guilame) Heydon DeCardon . Knight

sir William DeHeydon (1100 - 1175)
son of Sir William De Heydon

Gilbert DeHeydon (1120 - 1170)
son of sir William DeHeydon

Samuel De Heydon (1160 - 1235)
son of Gilbert DeHeydon

sir Thomas de Haydon (1155 - 1250)
son of Samuel De Heydon

William DeHeydon (1220 - 1272)
son of sir Thomas de Haydon

John DeHeydon (1245 - 1336)
son of William DeHeydon

ROBERT DeHEYDON (1260 - 1291)
son of John DeHeydon

SIR HENRY HAYDON, Knight (1291 - 1382)
son of ROBERT DeHEYDON

Sir William Haydon (1315 - 1406)
son of SIR HENRY HAYDON, Knight

Sir Robert Haydon (1339 - 1407)
son of Sir William Haydon

Sir John Haydon (1383 - 1479)
son of Sir Robert Haydon

SIR HENRY HAYDON 11 Knight (1434 - 1504)
son of Sir John Haydon

WILLIAM HAYDON of Boughwood (1411 - 1471)
son of SIR HENRY HAYDON 11 Knight

Richard I Haydon (1452 - 1533)
son of WILLIAM HAYDON of Boughwood

Richard Haydon 11 (1484 - 1533)
son of Richard I Haydon

Thomas Haydon (1490 - 1556)
son of Richard Haydon 11

John Haydon (1515 - 1560)
son of Thomas Haydon

John Haydon (1545 - 1595)
son of John Haydon

John Haydon (1566 - )
son of John Haydon

Humphrey Haydon (1601 - )
son of John Haydon

John Haydon (1640 - )
son of Humphrey Haydon

William Haydon (1671 - 1710)
son of John Haydon

William Haydon (1698 - 1751)
son of William Haydon

William Haydon (1736 - 1786)
son of William Haydon

Thomas Haydon (1767 - 1832)
son of William Haydon

thomas hayden (1782 - 1834)
son of Thomas Haydon

Thomas Hayden (1816 - 1866)
son of thomas hayden

Henry james hayden (1847 - 1908)
son of Thomas Hayden

Elizabeth Ellen Hayden (1876 - 1949)
daughter of Henry james hayden

Leonard George Hayden (1898 - 1969)
son of Elizabeth Ellen Hayden

Leonard Robert Hayden (1920 - 1989)
son of Leonard George Hayden

Robert Ernest hayden
son of Leonard Robert Hayden

helen hayden
You are the daughter of Robert Ernest hayden - (not you?)
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:03 PM
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Do you mean to say that you're descended from William II of England? I would check your line there if I was you, as he never married, had no known children, and is now commonly beloved to have been gay.

While Henry I did seize the throne it wasn't from William II. William died and the heir was suppose to be their elder brother, Robert Curthose, Duke of Normandy, but Robert wasn't in England at the time so Henry took advantage and established himself as king.
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I can also trace my line back to King Henry III who was my 22nd grear grandfather as well. As some earlier mentioned lady baroness percy of lancaster had a son (same son for my family too) and that son had a daughter which is where our 2 lines differ. I am a descent of one of that sons own sons. We became the kynge/kinge line of nobility in england. Sir john kinge. Sir william kinge etc etc. All the way to canada heh. Cool to think im a direct descendant of william the conqueror
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Im a descenant of every royal blood line of then and now..do to my cheever and powell blood line. You are welcome to my family tree on ancestry.com I'm cwalker8179 on there. . Any questions email me..enjoy!
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English throne is mine, mine, mine -hopefuls claim

LONDON (Reuters) - Hundreds of hopefuls have stepped forward to claim the throne of England after a worldwide quest by genealogists to find a rightful heir.

English throne is mine, mine, mine -hopefuls claim

Hundreds of hopefuls claim English throne Hundreds of hopefuls have stepped forward to claim the throne of England after a worldwide quest by genealogists to find a rightful heir.

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...my fathers line is a direct line from King William the second de peverell through de cardon/de heydon/hayden to this day, william 1 is my 34th gr grandfather I live in australia, so suppose id have some title if henry the 1st hadnt stole the throne!!
sorry you need to be born in England and live there for any claim if all can be proven and you may also have be excluded as may kings did remove succession rights but it is nice to know you are connected to royalty.
and give a person a happy feeling.

you may be able to go to the papers and would be good for a bit of fame.
you will need to supply details with your claim as well all the best
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I might be wrong but I don't believe that William II was ever married and never had any legitimate issue,he died childless.
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I'm a descendant of British royalty but don't have proof of it nor do I have any names. Does anyone know of a British royal who individuals from the American mid-west can trace their ancestry.
hi there I can give you an ancestor to test for DNA if this will help
his name is Niall of the nine hostages his DNA is on records he had a son
which wed into the royal family thousands of years ago his YDNA follow the royal line if you have 10 matching markers you can say you are related

Y DNA you will need a male to be tested for YDNA and mtDNA
you will have the mtDNA and the male both the YDNA and mtDNA
your connection will be the mtDNA to the Male and his to the Royal line

2% of Niall YDNA is in new Yorkers
its believed to be from immigration but my research suggests its from ship hopping from when the slave trade was running

all the best
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sorry you need to be born in England and live there for any claim if all can be proven

Not true.

As recently as last August a baby was born in the USA who is in the line of succession - Miss Maude Windsor, daughter of Lord Frederick Windsor and granddaughter or Prince Michael of Kent. She is currently 43rd in the line of succession (having dropped from 42nd when she was born due to the birth of Zara Philip's daughter).

The next overseas born people in the line of succession are the Norwegian royal family. The Danish and Swedish royal family are also in the line as are many Germans such as Prince Ernst of Hanover's daughter (he will return to the line when the 2013 Succession to the Crown Act takes effect - which won't happen until the remaining 12 realms have past that act as he was removed due to marrying a Roman Catholic).

Prince Philip is in the line in his own right and he was born in Greece.
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There's also the whole fact that you have to be descended from Sophia of Hanover (who herself wasn't born in England) in order to have any real claim.

Plus the whole "England no longer exists as an autonomous state" argument. It would be pretty ridiculous if you had to be born specifically in England when the throne covers Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland (not to mention the other Realms) as well.
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That's what I was thinking you meant. I just had a moment of "wait, are there a lot of modern monarchies descended from the Tudor-Stuarts but not the Hanovers?"
the hanovers are considered cousins because Elizabeth Stuart and Sophia Hanover two female none Queens . the trouble started at Mary Stuart having being queen in place of her older brother James Stewart the right full heir.

there is a missing king from the Campbell and Beaumont family tree
with more connection than Elizabeth the present monarch . with direct connections to James Stewart.

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I might be wrong but I don't believe that William II was ever married and never had any legitimate issue,he died childless.

You're completely right. William II had no known children and died unmarried. He's one of the English monarchs who is frequently thought to have been gay.
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