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Old 01-17-2006, 10:16 PM
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You had to see the purple beading...it looked nice but like I said..in 20 years it would have dated her wedding.

I agree..its hard to be a royal bride and/or wedding designer. Think about it...most of the dresses look alike with minor variations around the neckline. Either your dress resembles Maxima/Aimee/Mary or it has tons of lace like Anita/Claire. or you do something totally crazy like Mabel (and the less said about that one the better). Its a lot of pressure to have such a high profile wedding dress (basically no low necklines) while maintaining some dignity and showing some of your personality as well.
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Old 01-17-2006, 11:06 PM
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Well, of course are V. & R. partly responsible for the whole Mabel dress affaire, but I think you all underestimate the power of Mabel's opinion. I always see her as a woman who gets what she wants and if that's going to be a dress with bows, she'll get it, even when V. & R. are screaming 'No! Mabel! No!' at the top of their lungs (which they obviously didn't, because I think they're two freaking bow lovers too...). I think Mabel has proven that she doesn't care about what people are thinking by dressing up her little daughter in a bow covered baptism gown and wearing several very ugly creations with bows after the wedding. I think that's partly because she is completely clueless in the fashion department, but on the other hand I think she loves to be known for something... at least the people over here are talking about her when they've seen her on tv. There's something about Mabel, we could say...

Oh my, I should write a book on that dress and its owner. And on V. & R. of course. Maybe Marengo could do some field research and do a little interview with the two designers, since he already knows one of them...

Last year I saw an documentary on V. & R., by the way. They were having a fashion show (and Mabel was there too, of course). I actually found that they had some pretty great clothes in that show too. Not the bow ones, of course, but the others... :)
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Old 01-17-2006, 11:44 PM
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Mabel just wore a bunch of bows - she didn't murder a baby.

I think the bow wedding dress reflects more badly on the designer than Mabel. A woman chooses a wedding dress once, wears it only once, and then packs it up. But a designer makes wedding dresses for many women and many weddings. You would expect a designer to know more about what makes a wedding dress look special than a bride who's never been wedding dress shopping before.

If the designers tried to distance themselves, its probably just a career saving move lest new brides think all their wedding dresses have that many bows.
LOL, you make some excellent points, Ysbel. And I actually think that without the bows, or even with jst the smaller ones--that dress would have been one of the best royal wedding gowns out there: the overall design/cut was so classic and well done, it brought out her figure very well in a classy way. I have a thing for boat necks too, I'll admit, so that part of the design I liked as well. Plus the belt: the gown had a belt and that gave it a current look.
Not sure about the veil though.
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Old 01-17-2006, 11:47 PM
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You had to see the purple beading...it looked nice but like I said..in 20 years it would have dated her wedding.

I agree..its hard to be a royal bride and/or wedding designer. Think about it...most of the dresses look alike with minor variations around the neckline. Either your dress resembles Maxima/Aimee/Mary or it has tons of lace like Anita/Claire. or you do something totally crazy like Mabel (and the less said about that one the better). Its a lot of pressure to have such a high profile wedding dress (basically no low necklines) while maintaining some dignity and showing some of your personality as well.
you are right, royal brides don't have as much choice as do we common girls. Never thought about it that way. Seems that in that sense, Mabel managed to do something that was different, good for her!
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Old 01-18-2006, 12:00 AM
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Well, of course are V. & R. partly responsible for the whole Mabel dress affaire, but I think you all underestimate the power of Mabel's opinion. I always see her as a woman who gets what she wants and if that's going to be a dress with bows, she'll get it, even when V. & R. are screaming 'No! Mabel! No!' at the top of their lungs (which they obviously didn't, because I think they're two freaking bow lovers too...). I think Mabel has proven that she doesn't care about what people are thinking by dressing up her little daughter in a bow covered baptism gown and wearing several very ugly creations with bows after the wedding. I think that's partly because she is completely clueless in the fashion department, but on the other hand I think she loves to be known for something... at least the people over here are talking about her when they've seen her on tv. There's something about Mabel, we could say...
well I guess we can conclude that whatever <we> think of the result, Mabel got exactly what she wanted, and that's what counts. :)
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Old 01-18-2006, 12:42 AM
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V & R should take responsability like men instead of blaming Mabel for everything ; even if MOST of it is her fault, because I would NEVER wear that kind of dress not even at gunpoint

I believe that Mabel is by general consensus the WORST Bride Ever, congratulations (really? ) I'm evil, I know
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Old 01-18-2006, 01:46 AM
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V & R should take responsability like men instead of blaming Mabel for everything ; even if MOST of it is her fault, because I would NEVER wear that kind of dress not even at gunpoint

I believe that Mabel is by general consensus the WORST Bride Ever, congratulations (really? ) I'm evil, I know
Chrisinaki, I agree about that V &R should have shouldered some responsibility in this case. Or, lacking that, the least thing Victor could have said to Marengo when she expressed polite doubt about the sanity of a bow strategy for a royal bride, would be something along the lines of: "but how can you say that dahhhlinn, those bows on Mabel were just maahhhvelous, and out-of-this-world EXQUISITE!!"
in other words, defending the way this bride ended up looking.

But the worst bride ever? Ok, how about this for a different perspective: for one second, do your best and try to 'think away' the bows. And what does one get? A gorgeous dress <not unlike> the classic evergreen of your favorite bride (and mine!) Christina!! Those two gowns are not that different!
As for the choice of grooms...well...that's a different thread I guess!
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Old 01-18-2006, 01:46 AM
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I agree with what Maxie said, I think Mabel got exactlywhat she wanted, attention!

I don't think there is any other wedding dress that is discussed and debated as much as hers.

Look at us, we sit here talking about wedding dresses and she comes up constantly. Of course, it is not about how "gorgeous" it was, but maybe she thinks bad attention is better than none!

I think if she had left the bows off the train, it would not have been so horrible. Otherwise, as princess olga said, its not that awful of a dress!

And just think, years from now when these new brides are older and their daughters are marrying, people will remember Mabel's dress and hope her daughter's doesn't look like hers did!!! I would wonder if people will even remember some of the other brides.
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Old 01-18-2006, 01:48 AM
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well I guess we can conclude that whatever <we> think of the result, Mabel got exactly what she wanted, and that's what counts. :)
Well, sure it is. This must be one of the most talked of wedding dresses of the last couple of years. I for instance keep on screaming about it whenever I get the chance (and that's not only on the forums here, believe me... my poor family and friends luckily they agree!) It's almost becoming an hobby. :p

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V & R should take responsability like men instead of blaming Mabel for everything ; even if MOST of it is her fault, because I would NEVER wear that kind of dress not even at gunpoint
Oh, neither would I! *Shivers* If I was V. or R.(or both of them, which would be interesting enough), I would do exactly the same (and yeah, I know how lame that is ). I wonder if that dress really has been bad for business, by the way...
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Old 01-18-2006, 02:00 AM
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Chrisinaki, I agree about that V &R should have shouldered some responsibility in this case. Or, lacking that, the least thing Victor could have said to Marengo when she expressed polite doubt about the sanity of a bow strategy for a royal bride, would be something along the lines of: "but how can you say that dahhhlinn, those bows on Mabel were just maahhhvelous, and out-of-this-world EXQUISITE!!"
in other words, defending the way this bride ended up looking.

But the worst bride ever? Ok, how about this for a different perspective: for one second, do your best and try to 'think away' the bows. And what does one get? A gorgeous dress <not unlike> the classic evergreen of your favorite bride (and mine!) Christina!! Those two gowns are not that different!
As for the choice of grooms...well...that's a different thread I guess!
Well about that:

1. Cristina is WAY prettier than Mabel and has a much better body
2. Her makeup and hair were very simple and tasteful while Mabel looks like Marilyn Manson's bride
3. Yes, maybe their gown's style are similar, but the thing is the bows *shudders* actually existed and they were a disaster (a nightmare I've been trying hard to forget) and Cristina's dress was uncovering her shoulders
4. In this case, less is more because Mabel ended up looking like an overgrown wedding cake instead of a beautiful bride
5. And about grooms, do I really have to compare I&#241;aki and Friso? No words necessary
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Old 01-18-2006, 02:03 AM
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Well, sure it is. This must be one of the most talked of wedding dresses of the last couple of years. I for instance keep on screaming about it whenever I get the chance (and that's not only on the forums here, believe me... my poor family and friends luckily they agree!) It's almost becoming an hobby. :p



Oh, neither would I! *Shivers* If I was V. or R.(or both of them, which would be interesting enough), I would do exactly the same (and yeah, I know how lame that is ). I wonder if that dress really has been bad for business, by the way...
interesting point you bring up: that in fact, the whole thing was a pact between mabel and the V&R boys. They agreed on the "let's show the world how we can make fun of the whole royal & weddin g tradition thing.

In V&R's case, they wanted to make a case of taking something traditional and go to town with it in an over-the-top, avant garde kind of way.

And as for Mabel..of course, after the wave of criticism she got for not having come clean about former 'friend' (read: lover), heavy duty criminal Klaas Bruinsma, I dont blame her for wanting to 'give the finger' to the media and us, the audience at large, and using her wedding day for that.
In other words, Was that wedding dress in fact an instrument of mass torture? Was it her giving the Dutch people a medieval 'eye for an eye' by way of inundating our view with those bows? I'm being facetious (sp) here, but you all have a point that Mabel chose this 'out there' design very much on purpose.

But this dress choice of hers could have backfired, as in, could have been even more ill-received than it was, an, worse, it could have insulted Beatrix, and/or Friso. Did she consider them when she designed those bows? Or was this also some sort of spite towards her nw mother in law? That is almost what it seems, and yet from all accounts, Beatrix had been very supportive toward Mabel during the whole Bruinsma media ordeal.

Or is it what you were saying, Mabel living out the old adage of "Bad publicity is better than no publicity?"
Maxie, you were right, explaining this dress could easily fill up a book! Come to think of it, so could this thread! What a great book that would be!
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Old 01-18-2006, 02:11 AM
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interesting point you bring up: that in fact, the whole thing was a pact between mabel and the V&R boys. They agreed on the "let's show the world how we can make fun of the whole royal & weddin g tradition thing.

In V&R's case, they wanted to make a case of taking something traditional and go to town with it in an over-the-top, avant garde kind of way.

And as for Mabel..of course, after the wave of criticism she got for not having come clean about former 'friend' (read: lover), heavy duty criminal Klaas Bruinsma, I dont blame her for wanting to 'give the finger' to the media and us, the audience at large, and using her wedding day for that.
Was that wedding dress in fact an instrument of torture? Was it her giving the Dutch people an 'eye for an eye'?

But this dress choice of hers could have backfired, as in, could have been even more ill-received than it was, an, worse, it could have insulted Beatrix, and/or Friso. Did she consider them when she designed those bows? Or was this also some sort of spite towards her nw mother in law? That is almost what it seems, and yet from all accounts, Beatrix had been very supportive toward Mabel during the whole Bruinsma media ordeal.

Or is it what you were saying, Mabel living out the old adage of "Bad publicity is better than no publicity?"
Maxie, you were right, explaining this dress could easily fill up a book! Come to think of it, so could this thread! What a great book that would be!
Oh yes, I could go on on this subject for hours... :p Maybe you heard some Dutch people talking about 'Ja, ze heeft haar prins gestrikt!' which is (for those of you who don't master the Dutch language...) actually a Dutch saying for 'well, she's got her prince now (and not in the nicest way, that is)'. Quite funny about that is that it includes the Dutch verb 'strikken' which comes from the Dutch word 'strik' which means coincidentally 'bow'. That was just so funny. When I heard someone say that for the first time I literally fell off my chair laughing... so that could be another theory about the Mabel dress: all that she wanted to show the world was that she had 'strik'-ed her prince.
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shame she is a classy lady and without teh bows it would have looked lovely!!!
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To awnser some of the questions of Princess Olga and Maxie (and others), my chat with Viktor was not that long as I found him a strange men and he feels ill at ease with people he doesn't know that well (and actually so do I, though not that strongly ). Anyway, I didn't think he was washing his hands clean. He simply said that the giant bows were one of Mabels suggestions. And although strange things like that are the trade mark of V&R, they thought that a princess needed something more conservative. Anyway, when she came with the idea they made the most of it. I didn't think he cared theat much about the poublicity, on the contrary actually as he said their business was booming (in more discrete terms). Well, after our chat for 5 minutes there came an uneasy silence, after which I excused myself :).
Anyway, I don't think that this dress will reflect badly on the designer duo. The quality of the dress is very good and their target market hasn't really seen the dress, nor do they know who Mabel is.
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Old 01-18-2006, 01:21 PM
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Anyway, I don't think that this dress will reflect badly on the designer duo. The quality of the dress is very good and their target market hasn't really seen the dress, nor do they know who Mabel is.
Very true. Most of V&R designs would be deemed unwearable by most people (it's as crazy and brilliant as Dior couture, but for everyday wear), so clearly, their customers are very extravagant people who might actually have loved the dress.
I know I am alone here but I am a fan of V&R and I thought the dress was gorgeous. The big bows on the bottoms were a bit too sloppy and not defined enough, but from the hips up, it was pure perfection (don't shoot me).

A model by V&R (smh.com.au) Mabel's dress (looked beautiful from the front) (christinesroyalty.net)
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Very true. Most of V&R designs would be deemed unwearable by most people (it's as crazy and brilliant as Dior couture, but for everyday wear), so clearly, their customers are very extravagant people who might actually have loved the dress.
I know I am alone here but I am a fan of V&R and I thought the dress was gorgeous. The big bows on the bottoms were a bit too sloppy and not defined enough, but from the hips up, it was pure perfection (don't shoot me).

A model by V&R (smh.com.au) Mabel's dress (looked beautiful from the front) (christinesroyalty.net)
Don't worry, I won't shoot you. Actually I think that you're quite right when you say that the dress looked beautiful from the front. I always found that the cut of it all was perfect (as Marengo says: the quality of it all is very good) but those bows on the train! That just was too much for me (and for most people here, I think), they spoilt the whole dress, imo. I think it would have been nice to have the little bows all over the dress itself (and not getting bigger as the dress lowers, btw) if she needed that hard to have bows on it. I just think that the statement 'Less is more' isn't something Mabel lives by...
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Don't worry, I won't shoot you. Actually I think that you're quite right when you say that the dress looked beautiful from the front. I always found that the cut of it all was perfect (as Marengo says: the quality of it all is very good) but those bows on the train! That just was too much for me (and for most people here, I think), they spoilt the whole dress, imo. I think it would have been nice to have the little bows all over the dress itself (and not getting bigger as the dress lowers, btw) if she needed that hard to have bows on it. I just think that the statement 'Less is more' isn't something Mabel lives by...
Yeah, that was I said before:)
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Yeah, that was I said before:)
I think we can all agree that from the front the dress was "ok" if not "beautiful" as some think. the dress was definitely well make. it flattered her figure much more than some other V and R "outfits" she has worn. it was those weird bows on the train that sent the whole thing over the edge.
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Very true. Most of V&R designs would be deemed unwearable by most people (it's as crazy and brilliant as Dior couture, but for everyday wear), so clearly, their customers are very extravagant people who might actually have loved the dress.
I know I am alone here but I am a fan of V&R and I thought the dress was gorgeous. The big bows on the bottoms were a bit too sloppy and not defined enough, but from the hips up, it was pure perfection (don't shoot me).

A model by V&R (smh.com.au) Mabel's dress (looked beautiful from the front) (christinesroyalty.net)
I completely agree about the "perfection from the hips up." And as many of us have been saying, the cut and material of the gown were just perfect, too.
And anyway, thank goodness Mabel didn't have her mind set on that pink concoction on the left!
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Maybe we should put this all in perspective...whatever our opinions are of the dress, we're STILL talking about it. Maybe thats what V&R had in mind all along. And Mabel seems "unbowed" by the whole experience. (Sorry, sorry, but I just couldn't resist...)
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