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Old 10-02-2011, 08:45 AM
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Actually, if we are going to diverge from their stated "meetings", I believe a credible reference is required. If not, we can basically say what we want and just become another tabloid on a slow new day!
Which would be fine as long as the reference about their stated meetings are not themselves nor anyone to do with the royal courts or pr deparments, as none of those sources are credible. They all try and paint a picture that is much better than the actual events. A fun-loving but rather forward group of young women rubbing their hands inside the shirts of princes in a bar to settle a discussion about chest hair is hardly the image of a perfect crown princess. BTW - Fred and Mary didn't meet "at" the Olympics....they met at a bar in a hotel "during" the Olympic games in Sydney.
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Old 10-02-2011, 09:46 AM
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Prince Joachim met miss Alexandra Manley, while he was working in Hong Kong for (IIRC) the Mærsk Group.
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Old 10-02-2011, 02:54 PM
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Prince Bertil and Lilian Craig met in London in 1943, at the nightclub Les Ambassadeurs, where she was with some friends. The nightclub owner presented her to Bertil, and she got his telephone number. She called him a couple of days later and invited him to her 28th birthday party. All according to princess Lilian's self biography and this artcle: Paret som säkrade den svenska tronen | Inrikes | SvD

As for the first meeting of Carl Gustav and Siliva Sommerlath, the small photo in this article is said to be from that meeting: Aftonbladet mediecenter: 100 r med Aftonbladet
Both King Carl Gustav and Queen Silvia have talked about their first meeting. Silvia was in the VIP section and felt someone looking at her, she turned around and Crown Prince Carl Gustav was looking at her through his binoculars just a few feet away. They both laughed and that was the start. He then invited her to his sister Princess Birgitta for a family dinner a day or so later and everyone felt she was a very different girl from all the others he had dated. I believe it was P Birgitta that mentioned that here was a young woman that could engage in a meaningful and intelligent conversation.

The photo posted may have been from the evening of the first meeting.
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Old 10-02-2011, 03:53 PM
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I read Mary first hit on Nicolas of Greece, but was rebuffed, then she went for Fredrick, and she knew who he was, he was there with Nicholas. I dont remember where I read this, but it was during the days of the wedding.
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Old 10-02-2011, 07:39 PM
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Which would be fine as long as the reference about their stated meetings are not themselves nor anyone to do with the royal courts or pr deparments, as none of those sources are credible. They all try and paint a picture that is much better than the actual events. A fun-loving but rather forward group of young women rubbing their hands inside the shirts of princes in a bar to settle a discussion about chest hair is hardly the image of a perfect crown princess. BTW - Fred and Mary didn't meet "at" the Olympics....they met at a bar in a hotel "during" the Olympic games in Sydney.
This is the first time I have heard that particular "version", and the Australasian womens magazines were absolutely blitzed with their "Romance"!

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I read Mary first hit on Nicolas of Greece, but was rebuffed, then she went for Fredrick, and she knew who he was, he was there with Nicholas. I dont remember where I read this, but it was during the days of the wedding.
See above comment!

Whilst Mary is not my favourite royal, I do take exception to the downright slanderous allegations you have both chosen to make about her actions and motives. If you do not have credible references please refrain as without them, you are merely spreading vicious gossip.

I am also at a loss as to why CP Mary has been singled out as the "sleaze factor"!
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it was not my intention to spread any vicious gossip. I thought we were supposed to report what we read about meetings. I have never even set foot in Australia or Denmark, and have no desire to be vicious about ANYONE.All I have written is what I read at that time. I didnot claim that it was true, and unlike Rascal I didn't even give an opinion. I have not singled her out, she was the only one I remotely remember reading about!
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:25 AM
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I doubt that very few, if any, of today's crown princess, princesses and non-royal-born queens dreamed about a royal wedding when they first started dating their future husbands. I would guess that most of them believed that the meeting would just lead to an interesting date or two, not the beginning of something that would lead into marriage. The only exception I can think of would be lady Diana Spencer, when she began seeing prince Charles (a man she had known since she was a little girl), as she must have known that with her background she was a possible bride for the prince of Wales.
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Old 10-03-2011, 10:42 AM
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This is the first time I have heard that particular "version", and the Australasian womens magazines were absolutely blitzed with their "Romance"!
Of course the Australian women's magazines portray/portrayed Mary and her relationship in the most flattering/fairy tale/perfect light. They are part of the pr machine that force feeds a perfect/ideal version of events and people, hoping that people like yourself will believe and accept it without a critical eye. Hope you enjoyed the kool-aid.

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Whilst Mary is not my favourite royal, I do take exception to the downright slanderous allegations you have both chosen to make about her actions and motives. If you do not have credible references please refrain as without them, you are merely spreading vicious gossip.
Actually, slander refers to spoken defamation. I believe what you mean to say is "libelous allegations". If this was a case of libel, Mary would have to prove the following:
1. That the statements are false. (libel fails, as these are true)
2. The statement caused harm. (libel fails, your opinion of Mary hasn't changed, nor is she less famous)
3. The statement was made without adequate research into its truthfulness (libel fails, more than adequate research was done - Google it.)
These are the standards for ordinary citizens. For celebrities and public officials they must also prove:
4. The statement was made with the intent to do harm or with reckless disregard for the truth. (libel fails, the statement was only a response and is well-researched)

As I consider Mary to be a celebrity, she would also be required to prove the fourth standard. As all four standards are not met, this is not a case of libel.

Per your concern about "credible references", I have and could post them but will refrain from doing so. Please see the thread concerning "Most Annoying Celebrities" in which there are many pages of what some would consider libelous remarks, including inciting physical harm on the subjects of the thread. None of these posts cited or required sources for their validity. As I consider royals to be celebrities, I will hold them (including Mary) to the same standards as these other celebrities.


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I am also at a loss as to why CP Mary has been singled out as the "sleaze factor"!
I didn't single out Mary, I responded to your original post, which responded to a post about Fred and Mary meeting at the Slip Inn in Sydney. In addition, you are the one characterizing the behavior I described as sleazy. If you believe that behavior is sleazy, then you are the one saying Mary is sleazy. I only said that behavior did not fit the image of the perfect crown princess.

Back to the issue of singling out - you brought it up, so I will do so now. All, perhaps with the exception of Mathilde, of the current crown princely consorts have some sort of shortcomings, "pasts", "scandals", etc. for which they have been criticised. However, Mary (and/or the DRF and/or the pr machines they use to paint a rosey picture) tries to portray herself in a manner that is inauthentic. This thread is not the place to discuss that and these forums seem very resistant to looking at Mary, in particular, with a broad, unbiased view. All of the other CPs put out there exactly who they are, warts and all, and make mistakes, and do their jobs without putting on airs or hiding/diminishing/completely reamping less flattering things in their past.
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Old 10-03-2011, 11:25 AM
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Of course the Australian women's magazines portray/portrayed Mary and her relationship in the most flattering/fairy tale/perfect light. They are part of the pr machine that force feeds a perfect/ideal version of events and people, hoping that people like yourself will believe and accept it without a critical eye. Hope you enjoyed the kool-aid.

Actually, slander refers to spoken defamation. I believe what you mean to say is "libelous allegations". If this was a case of libel, Mary would have to prove the following:
1. That the statements are false. (libel fails, as these are true)
2. The statement caused harm. (libel fails, your opinion of Mary hasn't changed, nor is she less famous)
3. The statement was made without adequate research into its truthfulness (libel fails, more than adequate research was done - Google it.)
These are the standards for ordinary citizens. For celebrities and public officials they must also prove:
4. The statement was made with the intent to do harm or with reckless disregard for the truth. (libel fails, the statement was only a response and is well-researched)

As I consider Mary to be a celebrity, she would also be required to prove the fourth standard. As all four standards are not met, this is not a case of libel.

Per your concern about "credible references", I have and could post them but will refrain from doing so. Please see the thread concerning "Most Annoying Celebrities" in which there are many pages of what some would consider libelous remarks, including inciting physical harm on the subjects of the thread. None of these posts cited or required sources for their validity. As I consider royals to be celebrities, I will hold them (including Mary) to the same standards as these other celebrities.

I didn't single out Mary, I responded to your original post, which responded to a post about Fred and Mary meeting at the Slip Inn in Sydney. In addition, you are the one characterizing the behavior I described as sleazy. If you believe that behavior is sleazy, then you are the one saying Mary is sleazy. I only said that behavior did not fit the image of the perfect crown princess.

Back to the issue of singling out - you brought it up, so I will do so now. All, perhaps with the exception of Mathilde, of the current crown princely consorts have some sort of shortcomings, "pasts", "scandals", etc. for which they have been criticised. However, Mary (and/or the DRF and/or the pr machines they use to paint a rosey picture) tries to portray herself in a manner that is inauthentic. This thread is not the place to discuss that and these forums seem very resistant to looking at Mary, in particular, with a broad, unbiased view. All of the other CPs put out there exactly who they are, warts and all, and make mistakes, and do their jobs without putting on airs or hiding/diminishing/completely reamping less flattering things in their past.

Unless one of us was actually there, the "chest rubbing" story as well as any version magazines come up with are all hearsay, and so perhaps the official story given in their engagement interview should stand for Frederik and Mary. Frederik is not stupid and I really don't think he would see the woman rubbing his cousin's and his chests to be his future wife and the future CP of Denmark. So it's a bit easier to believe the "candy-coated" version as some of you may call it...
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Old 10-03-2011, 12:27 PM
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To quote a few of the posters in this forum:
"Some people just see what they want to...."

and again I say that statement is a load of crap. Everyone uses that to filter what they see and hear, including the people who WANT to believe the sugar-coated version.

BTW, if we should just, as you suggest, take their word for it regarding F&M's engagement interview, then the same validity should be applied to those present at the Slip Inn that night, who invited Mary along, and who are quoted in interviews from that same time regarding that night.
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Old 10-03-2011, 12:46 PM
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Please give the names of those you mention, who invited Mary.

I have a copy of the magazine with part of the interview by Beatrice Tarnawski.
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Does anyone know how Albert and Paola of Belgium meet?
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Does anyone know how Albert and Paola of Belgium meet?
At the Vatican at the coronation of Pope John XXIII, according to Wikipedia:
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I also read that Frederik and Mary met in a bar; what's so bad about that?
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I also read that Frederik and Mary met in a bar; what's so bad about that?
Absolutely nothing. In fact my husband and I were in that exact bar a few years later and to this day, many of the employees still laugh about some of the silly made-up stories that came out of Mary and Fred's meeting. Unless one willing to go on record with a signed affidavit to media on exact facts, I never believe 100% of a story.A proper reporter will always record an interview just so he can't be sued. Gossip is just that and anyone can do it. Mary never has to refute these stories [or any other royal like Letizia and Maxima both of whom many nasty tid-bits have been written by "unknowns"] It is not the royals way. Just one of the facts that sticks in my mind was when it was yelled all over media that QEII disliked Kate's mother as she asked to use the toilet at BP. Fact of the matter, Carol was never around the queen or BP for another two years. Thankfully that lying writer and her sleeze editor got fired two years later when the story was shown a lie. Media will always twist the truth to sell papers and get those bonuses. Way of life. It is done in political circles all the time. In the long run, none of it makes any difference. She will be queen and now seems to be doing an excellent job of supporting her new country and their children.
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King Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands met Ms Máxima Zorreguieta Cerruti at the Feria de Abril in Sevilla, 1999. It seems Máxima was a guest of a Prince von and zu Liechtenstein (like her also working in New York's haute finance) in his family's pavillion at the Feria. By coincidence also the Prince of Orange was a guest in that pavillion. The couple would marry in 2002.
They have three children:
- The Princess of Orange (Catharina-Amalia)
- Princess Alexia of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau
- Princess Ariane of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau

Prince Johan Friso of the Netherlands met Ms Mabel Martine Wisse Smit via his lifelong aquaintance (and later sister-in-law) Ms Laurentien Brinkhorst. In 2000, on a party in Brussels, Laurentien introduced Mabel to the Prince. Both ladies lived and worked in Brussels and became acquaintanced. The couple would marry in 2004.
Two children were born:
- Emma Luana Countess van Oranje-Nassau van Amsberg
- Johanna Zaria Countess van Oranje-Nassau van Amsberg

Prince Constantijn of the Netherlands and his two brothers have known Ms Petra Laurentien Brinkhorst for life. She and her brother Marius (now an investment banker in London) were playfriends of the three princes. Laurentien's father, who has an extended public service as parliamentarian, state secretary, minister and vice-Prime Minister was a lifelong friend to the Prince's parents. His spouse even was one of the female students chosen to live together with then Princess Beatrix in a mansion in Leyden, during her years at Leyden University. It is impossible to guess when Constantijn and Laurentien first met. Already as babies, we may assume. The couple would marry in 2001.
They have three children:
- Eloïse Countess van Oranje-Nassau van Amsberg
- Claus-Casimir Count van Oranje-Nassau van Amsberg
- Eleonore Countess van Oranje-Nassau van Amsberg

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Very interesting thread. Lets start

- CP Frederik met CP Mary at OG Sydney 2004
- Prince Albert, met Charlene I think in a woldchampionship
- CP Prince Felipe met CP Letizia in the Prestige catastrophy and in a journalist's dinner (I never remember which one of the two events happened first).
- Prince Joachim of DK met Marie in an event with friends
- King Gustav of Sweden met Queen Silvia at the OG of Munich, 1972
- CP Victoria met Daniel when she started exercizing and he was her teacher.
- CP Haakon met MM when she was working in a pastry shop.

That's all I remember now
As I remember reading, Joachim and Marie met at a hunt in the autumn of 2002.
Maries friend had told her there would be royals present and she thought it was exciting.
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I though Mary and Frederick met alot earlier then 2004. Didn't they get married in 04
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I though Mary and Frederick met alot earlier then 2004. Didn't they get married in 04
was a typo, it was the OG in Sydney, but those were in 2000 (2004 were in Athens)
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P.Albert/P.Charlene: according to wiki they met in 2001 at a swimmeet in Monaco Charlene, Princess of Monaco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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