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Old 10-14-2016, 12:31 PM
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Actually, Wartenberg, its not such a far fetched idea for those of us that do not know the ins and outs of Thailand and their monarchy and how it all works and fits together.
So, to me and perhaps others outside of Thailand, this might seem to be a feasible solution.
And taking into consideration that its been remarked on perhaps that the CP is not the most popular egg in the dozen, who knows?
This solution, as you call it, would even in a stable, firm country cause insecurity and lead into disorientation. But in a coup d´etat shaken country like Thailand, where, for decades, only a figure head like the late King brought stability, this "solution" would sooner or later bring it all to a complete downfall!
Thailand needs a firm, respected, male or female, monarch which the Crown Prince unfortunately not is. But you just cannot divide this highest position in state up! This is against all principles, especially in a monarchy.

My guess is that the colonels in the past making a coup and not touching the crown didn´t dare to because King Bhumipol was such a respected, almost hallowed person and every try to overthrow the royal family would have turned against the colonels themselves. But if a vast majority of the Thai people would stand behind Vajarlalongkon like they did with his predecessor is a big question! I can imagine that some communists scenting morning air by now and embrace the opportunity to cease power for themselves to create a republican dictatorship.
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Old 10-14-2016, 12:39 PM
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i think the crown prince is making himself walking on thin ice by delaying being proclaimed king , he has to be the most perfect and impeccable person in those coming months to insure that he will be the king .
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Old 10-14-2016, 01:05 PM
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i think the crown prince is making himself walking on thin ice by delaying being proclaimed king , he has to be the most perfect and impeccable person in those coming months to insure that he will be the king .
Note that King Bhumibol himself waited 4 years (!) before being crowned King: he wanted to finish his studies in Switzerland and was not even in his kingdom for all these years.

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Note that King Bhumibol himself waited 4 years (!) before being crowned King: he wanted to finish his studies in Switzerland and was not even in his kingdom for all these years.

but the king wasn't a unpopular hier like his son .
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Old 10-14-2016, 01:50 PM
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Note that King Bhumibol himself waited 4 years (!) before being crowned King: he wanted to finish his studies in Switzerland and was not even in his kingdom for all these years.

He was crowned on the same day, it was coronation that took place 4 years afterward.
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Old 10-14-2016, 01:50 PM
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What is de rest of the line of succession in Thailand? Is his sister next in line or one of his children?
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Old 10-14-2016, 01:57 PM
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There is no reason to think that the Crown Prince won't become King. He is 1:st in line and the military junta has worked quite hard to boost his image.

But i can imagine that the junta will stay in power to control the King and make sure he behaves as they want him to and that they still would have a chance to remove him if he starts to behave badly.
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Old 10-14-2016, 02:16 PM
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What is de rest of the line of succession in Thailand? Is his sister next in line or one of his children?
According to 1924 Palace Law of Succession, Prince Dipangkorn is the second in line.
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Old 10-14-2016, 02:40 PM
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but the king wasn't a unpopular hier like his son .
That can easily be solved. A few popular gestes: extra money for public works, pardon for minor offences, two days of national holiday for the enthronement, some PR offensive with a smooth series of elaborate ceremonial and being seen with the world's high and mighty. He will easily shrug off his playboy image.
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Old 10-14-2016, 02:47 PM
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Princess Sirindhorn is obviously a very much loved and very popular member of the Royal Family and that will never change.

I do not know much about her, but she strikes me as being a quiet, studious and hard-working person and, somehow, I do not imagine she has aspirations to become the monarch. That is not to say that she wouldnt be a wonderful Queen and indeed I think she would be superb.

Nonetheless, I have no worries at all for her on all counts, that she will be able to carry on her activities and duties in the normal way and for her brother to become king.
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Old 10-14-2016, 03:03 PM
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Such cynicism... I prefer to believe the Thai people cannot be bought so cheaply.. they are used to admiring their King [who WAS admirable]...
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Old 10-14-2016, 03:36 PM
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but the king wasn't a unpopular hier like his son .
And he was still a teenager then.
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Old 10-14-2016, 03:38 PM
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Actually, jeannedorleans explained the succession in a manner we can all understand. Might help to go back and read her posts. She, herself, is in Bangkok and I would think a native of Thailand would know more than those of us in the West do.

The more I read, the more I see the rational thinking behind the delay that the future king has taken. It has nothing to do with the government nor the policies or being liked and disliked but following his Buddhist beliefs and the beliefs of the nation as a whole to assure that all the proper and traditional ceremonies and rituals are carried out. During this time, from what I've read, the deceased King is still believed to be (somewhat) among us. These ceremonies and rituals far surpass and are far more elaborate and with more meaning than any culture I've become aware of. Its beautiful.

Today, we saw an entire multitude of mourning people in black and white to just see and bear witness to the passing of the king's remains on its way back to the Palace. The national colors of mourning for Thailand are black and white. This was shown in the bunting that was hung. It is also tradition, from what I read, to have and carry a picture of the deceased and we saw a lot of that also.

So, to make it a bit shorter, I don't believe there's anything amiss in how the succession is going to be in Thailand.
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Old 10-14-2016, 03:54 PM
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That can easily be solved. A few popular gestes: extra money for public works, pardon for minor offences, two days of national holiday for the enthronement, some PR offensive with a smooth series of elaborate ceremonial and being seen with the world's high and mighty. He will easily shrug off his playboy image.
I don't think that would go over very well. From what I understand, two days would be shortening the celebrations. This should give us a glimpse into what we are in store for when Rama X is crowned.

The coronation ceremony first took place at the start of the reign of King Rama IV in 1851.

The ceremony takes place over three days. It begins on 3 May when Buddhist monks hold a service in honour of the Chakri dynasty in the Grand Palace. The next day, the head of the Brahmin priest will read out the official proclamation of the coronation.

On 5 May, following a feast for the monks, the coronation ceremony takes place, with the event celebrated by a 21 gun salute at noon.

It is a tradition on this day, that the King will then present awards to those who have made a valuable contribution to Thailand.

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Such cynicism... I prefer to believe the Thai people cannot be bought so cheaply.. they are used to admiring their King [who WAS admirable]...
They were brainwashed for 7 decades about their divine King. Any futile criticism on their King was severely punished by justice. Oh yes, if there is one country able to brainwash the people, it is Thailand. Of course the new King can wreck his kingship, but he is already an old man and when he lets himself to be moulded and guided by the government and the Household, all will come well. I have no worries about that.
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Old 10-14-2016, 04:32 PM
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Forget the government powers that be or the Household or juntas or whatever else may or may not have say in directing how things go. If we really, really look closely at what is going to be going on from now until the coronation of the monarch, there are a big group of people that will be playing a major role and that is Buddhist monks.

We may not understand totally everything that is going on or will be going on but its a good opportunity for learning. The worst thing we can do, I think, is put western values and ways of doing things on what will be happening in Thailand. Thailand is a country that has a 95% of its people practicing Theravada Buddhism and that faith affects a big part of just about everything.

BTW Duc_et_pair. Watch it when you call a 64 year old an "old man". His Highness and I were born in the same year so I resemble that remark. I hear it again and I just may have to come over there and box your ears you young whippersnapper!

(just teasing of course)
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They were brainwashed for 7 decades about their divine King. Any futile criticism on their King was severely punished by justice. Oh yes, if there is one country able to brainwash the people, it is Thailand. Of course the new King can wreck his kingship, but he is already an old man and when he lets himself to be moulded and guided by the government and the Household, all will come well. I have no worries about that.
If other posters make statements about people in other countries that you don't agree with, you have a tendency to respond "did you ask everyone in... " and then a list of towns in that country, in an effort to diminish te opinion of the other poster.

I suggest you go to Bangkok, Chiang Mai or Phuket and make the statement you posted above and we'll see what the Thai people think of it..
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Old 10-14-2016, 05:24 PM
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Princess Sirindhorn is obviously a very much loved and very popular member of the Royal Family and that will never change.

I do not know much about her, but she strikes me as being a quiet, studious and hard-working person and, somehow, I do not imagine she has aspirations to become the monarch. That is not to say that she wouldnt be a wonderful Queen and indeed I think she would be superb.

Nonetheless, I have no worries at all for her on all counts, that she will be able to carry on her activities and duties in the normal way and for her brother to become king.
I think I'm right in saying the new king is no longer married and I suspect that unless he takes a new wife in the future we may see Princess Sirindhorn effectively act as 'Queen'. I notice both attended together the Dutch inauguration of King WA, I feel that in order to put such comments about Princess Sirindhorn becoming sovereign they will instead do a lot of things together while the Crown Prince/new King will hold all the powers of sovereign.
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Old 10-14-2016, 11:31 PM
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They were brainwashed for 7 decades about their divine King. Any futile criticism on their King was severely punished by justice. Oh yes, if there is one country able to brainwash the people, it is Thailand. Of course the new King can wreck his kingship, but he is already an old man and when he lets himself to be moulded and guided by the government and the Household, all will come well. I have no worries about that.
Brainwashed for 7 decades? It's pathetic to see many westerners like you trying to find the reason behind King Bhumibol's popularity and ended up with ''it's a propaganda, people were being brainwashed", absolutely pathetic. Of course, you choose to forget that King Bhumibol travelled thoudsands of mile across his kingdom to visit his people even in the areas that were threatened by communist movements at the time. You choose to forget that his projects improves life quality of many people. He built dams, roads, bridges, canals, resevoirs, and etc. He makes rain when farmers need rain. He takes rural people to hospitals when they're sick without paying any Baht. He played Jazz and wroted many songs. Even my university song was wrote by him. You know what, if all of these were brainwashing campaigns, then they are the most successful campaigns this world has ever had!

And if you continue to say so, how brilliant King Bhumibol is to had United Nations taking part of his campaigns :

United Nations News Centre - With new Human Development award, Annan hails Thai King as example for the world

Human Development Lifetime Achievement Award - His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej of Thailand
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Brainwashed for 7 decades? It's pathetic to see many westerners like you trying to find the reason behind King Bhumibol's popularity and ended up with ''it's a propaganda, people were being brainwashed", absolutely pathetic. Of course, you choose to forget that King Bhumibol travel thoudsands of mile across his kingdom to visit his people even in the areas that was threatened by communist movements at the time. You choose to forget that his projects improves life quality of many people. He built dams, roads, bridges, canals, resevoirs, and etc. He makes rain when farmers need rain. He takes rural people to hospitals when they're sick without paying any Baht. He played Jazz and wroted many songs. Even my university song was wrote by him. You know what, if all of these were brainwashing campaigns, then they are the most successful campaigns this world has ever had!

And if you continue to say so, how brilliant King Bhumibol is to had United Nations taking part of his campaigns :

United Nations News Centre - With new Human Development award, Annan hails Thai King as example for the world

Human Development Lifetime Achievement Award - His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej of Thailand
The position of His late Majesty of blessed memory stands solid on its own merits, there is no need to give attention to the standard nay-sayers who revel in every opportunity to reduce another persons achievements and presence. There is no dispute over the late Kings unique place in the minds of the Thai people, and his elevation to this revered place was not something done as a courtesy or out of fear, it was a natural consequence of the actions of the King during an amazingly long reign, through often turbulent and worrying times for Thailand. His late Majesty often single-handedly steered Thailand away from threats tearing at her seams, and all through his enormous position of gravitas and affection, he remainded solidly grounded, humble and devoted to his people.
When the position, accomplishments and gratitude given towards the memory of the King is ill-advisedly attacked or demeaned, I think the words of Michelle Obama serves us all best: 'when they go low, we go high.'

As for the actual succession, there is a Crown Prince who will be proclaimed King in a short while, but to those that worry about the perceived delay in doing so, there's no need at all. The Crown Prince will be King, but when a most beloved King passes away and Thailand mourns, possibly in a way that many in the West do not understand, the Crown Prince wisely saw the timing as not right for an instant proclamation. Now is the time to mourn a King who was, rightfully so, deeply loved and respected. Soon enough the Crown Prince will ascend the throne, and when he does, he needs the love and support of the people to flow in his direction, to ensure that the next reign will be a good and wise one in the footsteps of a great, departed King.
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