Queen Noor And Queen Rania

[stacy]

Originally posted by papillon+Jul 2nd, 2004 - 2:33 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (papillon @ Jul 2nd, 2004 - 2:33 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-stacy@Jul 1st, 2004 - 7:24 pm
if king hussein wanted hamzah to be king he would have to change the constitution - it only allows the king to chose the oldest son or a brother as crown prince - and under the current law there is no way hamzah could make abdullahs son his heir if he was to become king

But, stacy, why would Hamzah want to make KA's son his heir if Hamzah were king? I think Hamzah would want to keep succession in his branch of the family tree if he were king.[/b][/quote]
Agree - and I expect that KA will keep the succession in his as well and replace Hamzah with his own son sometime in the future - but it was suggested somewhere in this tread that KA would keep Hamzah as crown prince on the condition he made Prince Hussein his heir - which is not possible under the current constitution

[papillon]

Originally posted by bluetortuga@Jul 1st, 2004 - 7:46 pm
KA would probably want Hamzah to name P Hussein as his successor. If Hamzah had an issue with this, KA could use this as an excuse to strip the succession from Hamzah in favor of P Hussein. as far as I am concerned, CP means Crown Placeholder. If there is any truth to the stories of how Hamzah has treated his mother then he is not fit to be king. He is a hypocrite and an ungrateful son.

But wouldn't any verbal or even written deals cut between KA and CP Hamzah about succession be nonbinding, just as any deathbed promises KA gave his father about succession lack any teeth?

Agree with your assessment about CP Hamzah. The pictures and the news stories speak volumes about his character. It's like KA and QR have brainwashed him, and he's lost his ability to think critically and independently. Let's hope P Noor knocks some sense into him.

Since CP Hamzah keeps worming his way into this thread, it seems like he is a big factor in the strains between QN and QR.

[papillon]

Originally posted by stacy@Jul 1st, 2004 - 7:50 pm
Agree - and I expect that KA will keep the succession in his as well and replace Hamzah with his own son sometime in the future - but it was suggested somewhere in this tread that KA would keep Hamzah as crown prince on the condition he made Prince Hussein his heir - which is not possible under the current constitution

Oh, okay. You're right, though. I just don't think that would ever pan out.

[QueenB]

King Hussein had ex CP Hassan CP for many years and he put as condition that he wanted 1st Ali to succeed Hassan and then Hamzah to succeed Hassan - so yeah KA could put that as a condition.. if the King can write that into the constitution - KA is the King he can do and ask whatever he wants..

[QueenB]

Hamzah's been cited as a reason for strains between QN and other members of the royal family too.. bizarre isn't it..
I think once QN had her own kids - the stepkids were just that, the stepkids.. and from what I read in her book, it seems QN was close to Abeer.. but it seems she is apparently not close to P Haya and P Ali once they got a little older.. She surely has always had ambitions about her own son being and in her own book she seems to stress the special relationship between KH and CPHamzah..

[papillon]

Originally posted by QueenB@Jul 1st, 2004 - 8:24 pm
King Hussein had ex CP Hassan CP for many years and he put as condition that he wanted 1st Ali to succeed Hassan and then Hamzah to succeed Hassan - so yeah KA could put that as a condition.. if the King can write that into the constitution - KA is the King he can do and ask whatever he wants..

But then when the successor becomes king, wouldn't he just be able to undo it using the same methodologies? I just don't see how anything permanently binding could be worked out.

[QueenB]

I have no idea how any of that works... if the King has the power to write things into the constitution, etc... then obviously if that's his perogative - he'll do it... of course, it's too soon to know anything.... things change - 10 years ago if someone had said KA would be king - surely people would have said no way.. so between now and when/if Hamzah succeeds KA a lot can happen..

[QueenB]

KA had been CP as a child.. he was replaced by ex CP Hassan because KH wanted to leave the country in 'adult' hands should anything have happened to him back then... I think that had to be written into the constitution because before (I don't know if this is accurate so I'm just guessing right now).. but I did read that the succession 'regulations' were the eldest son - and also there was something about the heir having to be of full Arab blood, obviously that was changed otherwise the only eligible heir would have been Ali...

[QueenB]

Did anyone read this story?
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...ls_040630175331

[pepep]

Rania need to see a doctor immediately.

[stacy]

Originally posted by QueenB@Jul 2nd, 2004 - 3:39 am
KA had been CP as a child.. he was replaced by ex CP Hassan because KH wanted to leave the country in 'adult' hands should anything have happened to him back then... I think that had to be written into the constitution because before (I don't know if this is accurate so I'm just guessing right now).. but I did read that the succession 'regulations' were the eldest son - and also there was something about the heir having to be of full Arab blood, obviously that was changed otherwise the only eligible heir would have been Ali...

King Hussein changed the constitution from the eldest son to eldest son or a brother - to allow him to make PHassan CP - it says that the heir has to be born of muslim parents not necessarily arab

[hrhcp]

How's a doctor going to help ... in returning the table-ware?

[QueenB]

pepep, How could you say that about a colonel in the Jordanian military armed forces? :P
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/stor...4189900,00.html

[papillon]

Originally posted by QueenB@Jul 1st, 2004 - 9:28 pm
Did anyone read this story?
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...ls_040630175331

Oh my word!!! This is just another example of QR's extravagance. She is queen of a poor country whose leaders go around begging for money from rich countries, then she has the audacity/stupidity/hubris to buy 1,000 pieces of tableware that cost 2,000 kroner each? As a resident and taxpayer of one of the countries that is probably supporting this lifestyle, this just makes me really angry. I have lost all respect for her.

[pepep]

Originally posted by QueenB@Jul 2nd, 2004 - 4:40 am
pepep, How could you say that about a colonel in the Jordanian military armed forces? :P
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/stor...4189900,00.html

Do you want me get to the hospital? My stomach can’t take it.

[papillon]

Originally posted by QueenB@Jul 1st, 2004 - 8:35 pm
so between now and when/if Hamzah succeeds KA a lot can happen..

Which is why the oddsmakers would place bets against a King Hamzah.

[papillon]

Originally posted by King Christian@Jul 1st, 2004 - 9:39 pm
How's a doctor going to help ... in returning the table-ware?

Well, maybe a psychiatrist could treat her case of narcissistic personality disorder.

[bluetortuga]

Originally posted by pepep@Jul 1st, 2004 - 9:35 pm
Rania need to see a doctor immediately.

She's needs a blasted psychiatrist at this point. i'm convinced this woman has gone totally nuts! Jordan is a poor country; most of the people can't even afford to fully furnish their homes. And the royals spend the money on such foolishness! They may one day have to eat off of paper plates!

[QueenB]

King Hamzah......

[pepep]

Originally posted by bluetortuga+Jul 2nd, 2004 - 4:49 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bluetortuga @ Jul 2nd, 2004 - 4:49 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pepep@Jul 1st, 2004 - 9:35 pm
Rania need to see a doctor immediately. &nbsp;

She's needs a blasted psychiatrist at this point. i'm convinced this woman has gone totally nuts! Jordan is a poor country; most of the people can't even afford to fully furnish their homes. And the royals spend the money on such foolishness! They may one day have to eat off of paper plates! [/b][/quote]
She is really crazy.