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Old 08-16-2005, 08:55 AM
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I want to know 2 things???
Did KHussein has a romance with QNoor when he was with QAlia???
If QAlia not died, was KHussein married with QNoor???
i think the thing is.he married qalia because he felt in love with her.
she died.
he met qnoor a short time after q alias dead and felt in love with her so he married her.
maybe he would have divorced from queen alia because of queen noor.who knows?i think either king hussein nor someone else knows that!
the fact is he stayed with queen noor about 20 years until his death.so it must have been a real big love between them.
i have the feeling that he loved queen noor very much.he made five children with her.well the first died.but the first four in four years.i think he knew he wanted to stay with her forever!
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Old 08-16-2005, 04:55 PM
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I think had Queen Alia not died that she possibly could have still been Queen when Kingf Hussein died. I believe that he was very upset,and saddened by the unexpected death of his wife at the age of 28. They had 3 small children and he was alone.He and Queen Noor had an incredible life together and 4 children that lasted 20 years. I know that KH was the love of QN's life. Who's to say who he loved more,Queen Alia, or Queen Noor.
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Old 08-16-2005, 05:12 PM
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I don't know, I'd like to think so because I really like Queen Alia, but she was having a tough time as a Queen and as the wife of Hussein. I mean, her big wish was to live anonymously somewhere with Hussein, she didn't like the high profile life, found it very stressful and was hurt by Hussein's "fondness for British nannies." Remember where they said she would cry and scream and get it all out when he left and she was alone so it wouldn't take a toll on him? She just seemed unhappy with the public life and being a royal, and King Hussein was not the best husband, especially for someone who felt as insecure as she said she did. And the public apparently was not too sympathetic and liking towards her She might have gotten too tired of it all eventually and left had she not died when she did. Pure speculation I know but possible nonetheless. :o
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Old 08-16-2005, 05:39 PM
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[QUOTE=Alicky] And the public apparently was not too sympathetic and liking towards her



I think this was a reason for her going into that storm that night because I think she did geniunely care for the people of Jordan, but may have felt as if she needed to prove something which is sad because it cost her life.
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Old 08-16-2005, 06:18 PM
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I agree. Her skipping an occasion like that would've probably been looked at negatively by her people, they probably wouldn't have believed that the weather was too bad, that that was just an excuse for her to skip. I don't think she publicly could have afforded to skip it, so she went. She didn't want to let them down. :(
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I agree. Her skipping an occasion like that would've probably been looked at negatively by her people, they probably wouldn't have believed that the weather was too bad, that that was just an excuse for her to skip. I don't think she publicly could have afforded to skip it, so she went. She didn't want to let them down. :(

It wasn't an occasion she skipped, it was a man who was at a hospital, and he apparently wasn't receiving the proper care, and Alia wanted to make sure that he did get the care he needed. Despite the warning from King Hussein about the weather, Alia went anyhow. This question is directed towards anyone that may know, but did the pilot survive the plane crash?
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Old 08-16-2005, 08:20 PM
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Oh I forgot, does anyone have additional photographs of HM Queen Alia's Wedding Day? Sorry If my questions seems silly. Thanks :O)
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It wasn't an occasion she skipped, it was a man who was at a hospital, and he apparently wasn't receiving the proper care, and Alia wanted to make sure that he did get the care he needed.
I was aware of that. Makes the story even more lamentable doesn't it? :(
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It wasn't an occasion she skipped, it was a man who was at a hospital, and he apparently wasn't receiving the proper care, and Alia wanted to make sure that he did get the care he needed. Despite the warning from King Hussein about the weather, Alia went anyhow. This question is directed towards anyone that may know, but did the pilot survive the plane crash?
No one survived the helicopter crash.
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Pictures of the late Queen, from her daughter's site, can also be seen in her site.
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But there was a second helicopter flying with them and it landed safely--so it could have been a far greater tragedy.

Given some of the public criticism being directed at QA at the time of her death for ordering in the bulldozers to build the Haya Center, for instance, and criticism of her clothing and extravagance (sensing a common theme for Jordanian queens here?), the only thing that has ever made sense to me is that she flew off into a storm that day because she felt she had something to prove..... She was definitely uncomfortable being "royal" and preferred to live simply at home with her kids. The criticism was taking a huge toll on her. Frankly, I can't imagine getting on a helicopter when the conditions were so bad, thus, I attribute it to her by that time frantic attempts to scuttle the criticism she was getting. May explain why KH was in such a bad mood that day; he probably didn't understand why she would take that risk after he told her not to.

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I never knew there was a second helicopter.
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I didn't either till I saw a video a year ago about KH and his life and he started talking about QA and her death. Even though the interview was conducted years after her death, his voice kept breaking and he said "it was the saddest day in my life." But he also said something about the 2nd helicopter radioing a problem with the one QA was on and he raced to get there but "by the time we arrived, there was nothing to be done....all were dead." It was very heart-wrenching to hear him.
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Old 09-02-2005, 04:56 AM
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Family album of Queen Alia Al Hussein from MGA: http://www.mgaproduction.com/11,264,.html
Princess Haya Bint Hussein's family album: http://www.mgaproduction.com/11,206,.html
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I don't know, I'd like to think so because I really like Queen Alia, but she was having a tough time as a Queen and as the wife of Hussein. I mean, her big wish was to live anonymously somewhere with Hussein, she didn't like the high profile life, found it very stressful and was hurt by Hussein's "fondness for British nannies." Remember where they said she would cry and scream and get it all out when he left and she was alone so it wouldn't take a toll on him? She just seemed unhappy with the public life and being a royal, and King Hussein was not the best husband, especially for someone who felt as insecure as she said she did. And the public apparently was not too sympathetic and liking towards her She might have gotten too tired of it all eventually and left had she not died when she did. Pure speculation I know but possible nonetheless. :o
I think the crying and screaming that you're referring to wasn't about his being a bad husband, but rather about her feeling alone most of the time because of his work. Someone wrote about this in here a while ago. It was in a book about Arab first ladies, and in it there was a letter that Queen Alia wrote to Margaret Trudeau that she would cry and scream when he was gone because she missed him. I remember that she said that Maragaret would be the wife of a head of state only for a few years, but she was the wife of a King for life (or something to that extent).
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Yes, I remember reading that quote in Margaret Trudeau's book "Beyond Reason." She advised Margaret to "wait till your husband is away and then cry, scream, rage (note: I found that a strong word; she must have been very unhappy at certain points in her life) and get everything out.....I have done that and it has helped my husband and I enormously." And she did not care for royal life and all the scrutiny so she advised Margaret to remember the part about "your husband will one day be out of office but mine is a life sentence." Oddly prophetic words in retrospect for if she had lived and she and KH had stayed together but he'd died first, she would have been a Queen but not THE Queen......Perhaps then she would have been able to live a life away from so much scrutiny......
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I think the crying and screaming that you're referring to wasn't about his being a bad husband, but rather about her feeling alone most of the time because of his work. Someone wrote about this in here a while ago. It was in a book about Arab first ladies, and in it there was a letter that Queen Alia wrote to Margaret Trudeau that she would cry and scream when he was gone because she missed him. I remember that she said that Maragaret would be the wife of a head of state only for a few years, but she was the wife of a King for life (or something to that extent).
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I was surprised to learn that Margaret Trudeau and Q. Alia had struck up a friendship.
It seems that both women didnt have to put up with their husbands' absence for long.
Q.Alia died tragically and Margaret and Prime Minister Trudeau divorced.
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In Mrs. Trudeau's book, she basically says Alia's death "made a mockery" of everything she had hoped for in her marriage and life. I don't know where that thought came from..... I think she was angry that her husband waited until they were at a formal occasion, a cocktail reception for a visiting dignitary then had an aide break the news of her friend's death when he knew beforehand. That, she said, was the ultimate defining moment--and she left him shortly thereafter. If this is as she writes, that was an unnecessarily cruel thing to do to her.

They do seem an unlikely "match" in terms of friendship but I think they saw in one another "lost souls" who hated the public attention and craved a simpler, more private life with their spouses.
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in that way maybe those two had something in common. But otherwise Margaret seems to have been a different person. There was that incident where she was reported to have been partying with I think it was the rolling stones, or maybe some other band. I dont know much about her but she seemed to me to be more like a free spirit. Pierre Trudeau, I think, was a very different person, very intelligent, an intellectual, devoted to politics, but also very funny. Perhaps the only head of state/government to be chased after by a hoard of women as if he were bigger than the Beatles.
What I wouldnt give for Canada to have a PM like that today!
anyway...getting off-topic.
My point is. Maybe women like Alia and Margaret who prefer leading quiet lives should think twice before they marry Kings and Prime Ministers. There's no point in crying and screaming and being miserable after the fact. With men like King Hussien family doesnt always come first. Being in-charge of an entire nation is no small responsibility.
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in that way maybe those two had something in common. But otherwise Margaret seems to have been a different person. There was that incident where she was reported to have been partying with I think it was the rolling stones, or maybe some other band. I dont know much about her but she seemed to me to be more like a free spirit. Pierre Trudeau, I think, was a very different person, very intelligent, an intellectual, devoted to politics, but also very funny. Perhaps the only head of state/government to be chased after by a hoard of women as if he were bigger than the Beatles.
What I wouldnt give for Canada to have a PM like that today!
anyway...getting off-topic.
My point is. Maybe women like Alia and Margaret who prefer leading quiet lives should think twice before they marry Kings and Prime Ministers. There's no point in crying and screaming and being miserable after the fact. With men like King Hussien family doesnt always come first. Being in-charge of an entire nation is no small responsibility.
It was the rolling stones.

You're absolutely right about Trudeau. He was very charismatic and a good PM. It would be nice to have a PM like him today, you're right.
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