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Old 12-16-2004, 03:28 PM
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Alia Toukan (Queen Alia then) was born rich and was used to the lavish things,so we can't blame her... Al-Toukan are known to be one of the richest Jordanian (from palestinian origins) families,especially her father and now her brother...

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't blaming Alia for wearing lavish things....I said that wasn't it KH who wanted her to wear those kinds of clothing, at least that is what I read in a post. I'm not criticizing Alia for wanting to wear nice things. As far as knowing Alia's family was wealthy, until you said that, I wasn't aware of it.
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Old 12-16-2004, 05:15 PM
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I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't blaming Alia for wearing lavish things....I said that wasn't it KH who wanted her to wear these type of clothes, at least that is what I read in a post. I'm not criticizing Alia for wanting to wear nice things. As far as knowing Alia's family was wealthy, until you said that, I wasn't aware of it.
lol dun worry i know u weren't criticizing her,and I wasn't defending her
I was just trying to explain thats all.
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Old 12-17-2004, 12:02 AM
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Queen Alia: A Mix of Beauty, Kindness and Insecurity

Who would've thought such a lovely woman was deep down so worried and "insecure" (that's not the correct word but something like that....her letters reveal she did feel great concern about how she was perceived by her fellow Jordanians and her actions in the eyes of her husband). Queen Alia's face does show that vulnerability others have mentioned. There is a sadness, kindness, joie de vivre......all combined. She always put on a good face; I found her talks and letters with Mrs. Trudeau and Sadat interesting as she WAS a woman who was worried, scared, a bit insecure, not totally comfortable with sharing her upsets with her husband so bottling them in till he was away......like many of us. It's the classic lesson. From appearances, some may look like they "have it all" when they are just as human and share the same feelings we all do. Wistful.....many of her photos have that quality. It's endearing. The fact she was so kind and genuinely cared about others was coupled with the fact she felt she was losing support among the Jordanian people. And I read her as being a person who wished to "please" not offend others. Perhaps that's why she flew off into a sandstorm with such tragic consequences to visit a hospital which was not providing proper treatment to a patient. Did she feel, deep down, she had to "prove herself"? I don't think she did have to do such a thing.....which makes her death that much sadder. The more I see her photos and read about her, the greater I feel her loss was for so many.


Odd. As I was writing this, a tape of Princess Diana came on with her saying "Two things stand like stone: Kindness in another's troubles; courage in your own." I think that pretty much sums up Queen Alia.
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Old 12-17-2004, 06:38 AM
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I think it was natural for Queen Alia to connect with Margaret Trudeau. Margaret She didnt have an easy time being married to the Prime Minister of Canada. They ended up getting divorced, but remained friends until PM Trudeau's death in 2000.
Women married to statesmen and Kings often have to come second. Their husbands have bigger responsibilities ie, the well being of an entire nation. I wonder if Alia's marriage would've lasted had she been alive.
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Old 12-17-2004, 10:56 AM
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I guess Queen Alia hoped Prince Ali would be the Crown Prince..

"I know I have produced a Crown Prince and that is something,"

It just goes to show that none of the King's wives, at least not Alia, Muna, and Noor, were so unselfish as to not wish their sons to be the next crown prince. All three had the same ambition in that respect.
Had Queen Alia been alive today, things might have been different.
Many things would surely have been different if Queen Alia had lived, however, this remark also shows us many different perceptions and false premises of the whole succession issue, which seem not to be understood by many people to this day, who continue to cling to the belief that Prince Hassan refused to comply with his brother's wishes.

1) It was commonly assumed that Prince Ali would take precedence over his older brothers in the question of suceeding their father. This was I suppose in part due to what was said and decided in parliament when the King married Princess Muna.

2) Prince Rashid was not born at this time when Queen Alia made this statement, but obviously no one took on board the full implications of the then crown prince possibly having a son.

3) Once that son was born, the whole succession issue would have to be governed by what was laid down in the constitution, whatever anyone's personal preference was.

4) More than anyone, King Hussein should have fully studied and understood the full implication of his decision when he made the amendents to the constitution that allowed Prince Hassan to be named his heir. The late king should have made whatever further amendments that were necessary to ensure that his brother would be followed by one of his own sons rather than his own son. King hussein's failure to address this sensitive but vital issue has led to much bad blood and misunderstandings within the Jordanian Royal family, to their and the whole country's detriment.
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Old 12-17-2004, 11:29 PM
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I know I'm probably the only one who didn't know this , but I wasn't aware that QA's eyes were green. It's good to have a perspective on QA and some of her inner most feelings concerning her family and her country. I too often wonder what life would be like as well if QA was still alive. Unfortunately, that is a question that can never be answered.
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Old 12-18-2004, 03:05 AM
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Alia's Marriage

I hope it would have; she really seems to have loved him profoundly....but clearly she needed her personal outlets and time, space and privacy--as she mentions re: her dream house in Chelsea and desire for Georgian furniture.....I'd read their home in Amman was bland and stark. Was she not allowed a hand in decorating it? She was there for five years....you'd think if she wanted a certain look, she could have decorated to suit her tastes. Roland Dallas in his excellent book on KH says QA too "suffered from the King's fondness for English nannies....." He was a great man in many ways but it might have been quite complicated to be married to him. Insecurities about other women can be quite devastating to one's self-esteem.....and the worries about assasination, whether people like and accept you, ......perhaps even if--as a wife--one would suddenly go the way of Dina and Muna w/o warning.....But, as you said, we will never know.

I am picking up a streak in KH re: his wives. On the one hand, he never told them what to do in an official capacity; let them figure it out for themselves. On the other, he had strong feelings about their attire, curbed some of their natural impulses (like QN writing a condolence letter to Mrs. Sadat) and was not terribly sympathetic outwardly when QN lost her first baby when it would be natural to mourn with her. And from the articles written by their chief of household, things ran according to his wishes within their homes....perhaps even controlling how the house he and QA shared was decorated. Seems a bit controlling in that regard. And the womanizing......when Larry King said to QN "well, he was a 'dandy,'" she quickly moved the topic along, didn't say he wasn't but said her problems re: the gossip about him others were sharing with her was not about that. Hmmmmm. I think he would've made a better friend than husband all things considered. Any thoughts from others?

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I think it was natural for Queen Alia to connect with Margaret Trudeau. Margaret She didnt have an easy time being married to the Prime Minister of Canada. They ended up getting divorced, but remained friends until PM Trudeau's death in 2000.
Women married to statesmen and Kings often have to come second. Their husbands have bigger responsibilities ie, the well being of an entire nation. I wonder if Alia's marriage would've lasted had she been alive.
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dose queen Alia has any sisters?
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dose queen Alia has any sisters?
Yes she does.
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No i do not think she does have any sisters. She had only two brothers.
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Yes she have two brothers, they was in the Haya´s wedding

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lol she doesn't have any sisters? thank you for tellin me I've always thought she had a sister...ummmm
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Old 01-04-2005, 05:19 AM
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No i do not think she does have any sisters. She had only two brothers.
i thought so as i never see any sisters of her in prince Ali wedding their was only two brothers and in all the pic's was taken i didnt see any lady

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OMG, thanx to u, suria, I like better the pic they are dining in the dining room-
yes this was nice too all the pic's are very nice they look like a happy family
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i thought so as i never see any sisters of her in prince Ali wedding their was only two brothers and in all the pic's was taken i didnt see any lady
1 of her brothers is a doctor, he lives in Rome, he's a famous, wealthy doctor, I found his address in the Rome Directory, he lives in the best and most expensive part of the city, his mum also lives in Rome, we had the pic of her and Hayah shopping in Rome, years ago.
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Old 01-04-2005, 06:10 AM
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1 of her brothers is a doctor, he lives in Rome, he's a famous, wealthy doctor, I found his address in the Rome Directory, he lives in the best and most expensive part of the city, his mum also lives in Rome, we had the pic of her and Hayah shopping in Rome, years ago.
really wow this is interseting her brothers looks like her a lot i noticed that its very obvious in the pic's
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1 of her brothers is a doctor, he lives in Rome, he's a famous, wealthy doctor, I found his address in the Rome Directory, he lives in the best and most expensive part of the city, his mum also lives in Rome, we had the pic of her and Hayah shopping in Rome, years ago.
A picture of Haya and who shopping?
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Old 01-04-2005, 06:58 AM
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1 of her brothers is a doctor, he lives in Rome, he's a famous, wealthy doctor, I found his address in the Rome Directory, he lives in the best and most expensive part of the city, his mum also lives in Rome, we had the pic of her and Hayah shopping in Rome, years ago.
you mean Haya and Rym
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you mean Haya and Rym
no, Hayah and her grandmum, Alia's mother, who lives in Rome, at least I heard that, Hayah used to come over many times for competitions, so we had this pic of them together out shopping- Alia has been living in Rome for a long time, she was studying at San Ignazio di Loyola, a Catholic school, which I think it's very odd... a very good school, though.....
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Haya's uncles, Dr Alaa and Dr Jaffar live in jordan as does her grandmother.
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Old 08-16-2005, 04:53 AM
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i have these photos of QA
she is soooo beautiful( Allah Yr7amha)
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