Prince Hassan and Princess Sarvath: News and Picture Thread, Part 1

[houri]

Originally Posted by papillon

He isn't on TV in the country I live, but I've listened to some Internet downloads of speeches he's given. Why do you ask, Houri? Is it his sexy voice? :)

looooool not realy because of his sexy voice although he have nice voice :p
but because of his way in speaking , I mean the speech different than talking in an interview .

[papillon]

Originally Posted by houri

looooool not realy because of his sexy voice although he have nice voice :p
but because of his way in speaking , I mean the speech different than talking in an interview .

So you do notice a little something special in his voice quality, eh?!

I think he is quite good in both formats--prepared speech and off-the-cuff Q&A. But he seems to enjoy the latter more, maybe because it requires more thinking on his part. He's extremely intelligent, so reading prepared remarks probably isn't a large enough challenge for him.

[elizahawthorne]

Originally Posted by papillon

He isn't on TV in the country I live, but I've listened to some Internet downloads of speeches he's given. Why do you ask, Houri? Is it his sexy voice? :)

wondering if you have some links...

-Eliza

[Humera]

Originally Posted by papillon

I think perhaps even more, since her family's standing and status are more a result of hard work and achievement than birthright. I think, in some ways, marrying into the JRF might've even been a step down for P. Sarvath. She has given up a lot to become a part of that family, in my opinion.

yes that was my meaning.
In fact my respect for her doesnt come because she's a member of the JRF, its because of the family she comes from. It would be natural for any Pakistani to admire the pioneers in the nation's history. Though, like PS said in the article shelley posted, her parent's name aren't the first ones to be mentioned when people talk of important figures in Pakistani history. Her mother is certainly the more prominent figure. And PS continues to spread her parents' message and that of Jinnah everytime she comes to Pakistan and gives speeches, interviews etc. Which is why I think you might be right about her marrying into the JRF. Though Prince Hassan is a fitting husband, I still think she might've had more of an impact in Pakistan. She'd certainly be treated with more respect than she seems to command at present in the JRF and the jordanian media.

[papillon]

Originally Posted by elizahawthorne

wondering if you have some links...

-Eliza

There are a number of interviews with P. Hassan at this site:

BBC

[elizahawthorne]

Originally Posted by papillon

There are a number of interviews with P. Hassan at this site:

BBC

thanks for posting that papillon.

cheers,
Eliza

[papillon]

Originally Posted by ~*~Humera~*~

In fact my respect for her doesnt come because she's a member of the JRF, its because of the family she comes from.

Mine doesn't come from that, either. . .for either of them. I just admire them for who they are as people. It's a matter of their characters and their humanity to me.

Her mother is certainly the more prominent figure.

Maybe it's a matter of her mother having had a longer life in which to perform her public service and to make her mark.

Which is why I think you might be right about her marrying into the JRF. Though Prince Hassan is a fitting husband, I still think she might've had more of an impact in Pakistan. She'd certainly be treated with more respect than she seems to command at present in the JRF and the jordanian media.

They appear to be happily married, so I'm not at all second guessing that. But, unlike many women who marry into royal families, P. Sarvath already had her own thing going, it was a good one, and she would've probably made her mark regardless of whether she married P. Hassan. In many ways, being a royal is a more confining life and, in that sense, I think she probably gave up much of her autonomy and freedom.

I think she would've been able to make a huge positive effect on Pakistan had she taken that route, and she would have had a running start because of who her parents are and the respect they garner. In Jordan, it seems she not only didn't have a running start, some social forces actually work against her. And that is just another sad aspect of whatever racial/social discrimination she's suffered there. The damage isn't limited to whatever impact it's had on her as a person, there's also the missed opportunity for Jordanians to widen the aperture on their world view and to benefit fully from the talents of such an amazing woman. It's not as though Jordan is an otherwise thriving nation. . .talents like hers are absolutely needed and valuable. So the discrimination really, really bothers me. :(

[papillon]

Originally Posted by elizahawthorne

thanks for posting that papillon.

cheers,
Eliza

You're welcome! :)

[Humera]

Originally Posted by papillon

I think she would've been able to make a huge positive effect on Pakistan had she taken that route, and she would have had a running start because of who her parents are and the respect they garner. In Jordan, it seems she not only didn't have a running start, some social forces actually work against her. And that is just another sad aspect of whatever racial/social discrimination she's suffered there. The damage isn't limited to whatever impact it's had on her as a person, there's also the missed opportunity for Jordanians to widen the aperture on their world view and to benefit fully from the talents of such an amazing woman. It's not as though Jordan is an otherwise thriving nation. . .talents like hers are absolutely needed and valuable. So the discrimination really, really bothers me. :(

Her mother living longer is a good point ofcourse, it didnt occur to me.
Princess Sarvath certainly would've had more of an impact in Pak. yes. Even now, though she's very rarely mentioned in the Pakistani media and many people aren't familiar with her, everytime she is here, you can always catch an article or two about it in the the press, whether she's making a speech or asking Pakistani fashion designers to do shows for her in Jordan.
She patronizes the human development department as well, among others.
So clearly, being married to the a Jordanian Prince hasnt stopped her from making an impact in her land of origin.
As for the discrimination, I dont want to get too much into it like the Princess Haya debate and the common wariness some Arabs feel about "foreigners," I dont want to make it sound like all Arabs have this problem, but it is very sad. And more so because in South Asia, a lot of our politicians and heads of state are married to foreign-born spouses, many of them from the ME but their nationalities aren't debated and they're not resented as "outsiders." Infact former PM Benazir Bhutto's mom is Iranian born and of Kurdish origin.
Who knows, if PS had stayed in Pak. she might've been the PM of the country, certainly someone with clout. Its not as far-fetched as it sounds. Given the fact that her parents were such notable figures, and in Pakistani politics we certainly have what you might called political dynasties. Benazir Bhutto, the former PM, for example, followed in the footsteps of her grandfather Sir Shahnawaz Bhutto, who was a Muslim League leader, before the partition of the subcontinent (like PS's parents who were involved in the independence movement), her father Zulfiqar who was also a former PM. And now it seems that her kids will be involved in Pakistani politics as well.
So its is quite common for men and women of Princess Sarvath's background to be major players in Pakistani politics.
Spilt milk I know, but still, something to think about.

[Reina]

I wonder what Arabs think of Turks. I already know what Turks think of Arabs ,so I don't think some Arabs should gloat that much about the superiority of their race.

Anyway maybe she would have been a politician or first lady of Pakistan. I kind of don't think she would be the kind to run for Prime Minister. However I do think she would have done quite a service to PAkistan.

[houri]

Originally Posted by papillon

There are a number of interviews with P. Hassan at this site:

BBC

I didn't listen to him before speaking in English , so thanks for the link :)
by the way he much better in arabic soooo charming :p

[Humera]

Look what I found on the SHE magazine website.
Their archives didnt go as far back as 2003 but I did find this little mention of a fashion show arranged for charity by Princess Sarvath.
btw..Tapu Javeri seems to be one of her favourite photographers. I have a beautiful portrait he took of PS a few years back. I posted it in one of the older threads. PS also appears to be a regular client (among other ME royal ladies) of designer Maheen Khan (the grey-haired lady in the second pic).

[Humera]

Originally Posted by Reina

I wonder what Arabs think of Turks. I already know what Turks think of Arabs ,so I don't think some Arabs should gloat that much about the superiority of their race.

Anyway maybe she would have been a politician or first lady of Pakistan. I kind of don't think she would be the kind to run for Prime Minister. However I do think she would have done quite a service to PAkistan.

Yes she would. If not as a political figure then perhaps as a contributor to the literary/art community like some of her family members. Though Im not sure if she's inclined that way.

[papillon]

Originally Posted by ~*~Humera~*~

So clearly, being married to the a Jordanian Prince hasnt stopped her from making an impact in her land of origin.

No, I didn't mean to imply that she has. But because she lives in Jordan and also has responsibilities there, now her time and efforts are more divided. In fact, she is quite loyal and true to her roots.

Spilt milk I know, but still, something to think about.

Well, there's quite a pool of spilled milk to cry over in that family. I feel both P. Sarvath's and P. Hassan's gifts and talents are underutilized and underappreciated. :(

[papillon]

Originally Posted by houri

I didn't listen to him before speaking in English , so thanks for the link :)
by the way he much better in arabic soooo charming :p

You're welcome. I wish I understood Arabic so I could fully experience the charm.

[papillon]

Originally Posted by ~*~Humera~*~

Look what I found on the SHE magazine website.
Their archives didnt go as far back as 2003 but I did find this little mention of a fashion show arranged for charity by Princess Sarvath.

Are these photos from late 2004? I was working in Jordan last fall, and I think I remember hearing about an upcoming fundraiser along these lines.

[papillon]

Originally Posted by ~*~Humera~*~

Yes she would. If not as a political figure then perhaps as a contributor to the literary/art community like some of her family members. Though Im not sure if she's inclined that way.

Whatever. She would've done something groundbreaking and meaningful, I'm sure.

[Humera]

Originally Posted by papillon

Are these photos from late 2004? I was working in Jordan last fall, and I think I remember hearing about an upcoming fundraiser along these lines.

No these pics are from the February 2004 issue of SHE mag.
Though I did hear about a bunch of people from the Pakistani fashion industry being invited for another fashion show by PS in late 2004. That sort of thing is quite frequent. Which is why I mentioned once that its more common for me to come across Princess Sarvath's name in the fashion pages of the Pakistani press than in the Jordanian media.