Prince El Hassan And Princess Sarvath

[shelley]

I think I have seen photographs of P. Sarvath in western dress, particularly during day functions

[lovy_bear]

Originally posted by Humble+Apr 18th, 2004 - 9:12 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Humble @ Apr 18th, 2004 - 9:12 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-madonna23@Apr 18th, 2004 - 9:05 pm
does anyone know what the princess has been up to lately?&nbsp; she was in petra about 4 months ago for something in relation with Egypt's film club...

how is she perceived in jordan?&nbsp; as a foreigner?&nbsp; or do people now think of her as a "jordanian"?

Another question would be: does she perceived herself as part of the Jordanian culture..If you noticed, she is almost always in her SARI, the pakistani/hindi style of outfits? i am not saying she should forget about her own culture...but maybe she could also integrate some of her husband's [/b][/quote]
Hi there,

LOL Personally speaking, I'm of Pakistani origin but at the same time I was born and raised in Canada. Most of my life I considered myself to be Pakistani and not Canadian at all, but after some long and hard thinking I've come to the conclusion that I'm Pakistani Canadian, just as someone whose of Irish decent but was born and raised in Canada would be Irish Canadian. Anyway, back to Princess Sarvath (you're probably wondering what all of this has to do with her), I believe that she's Indian Jordinian (she was born in Calcutta India). Although she was born and raised in India/Pakistan, she permanently lives in Jordan now which would make her a Jordinian. I believe that when it comes to figuring out "what" you are, it all comes down to your country/countries of origin as well as which country you presently permanently live in. I guess that for someone who lives in multiple different countries over a lifetime, the former would remain the same but the latter would change a lot lol. Hmm, but if you're originally of four different ethnicities for example, I guess that it would in the end come down to which country you presently live in.

As far as PS being true to her culture, I guess that what to wear on a cultural basis (Indian/Pakistani or Jordinian clothing) really depends on the individual. As far as integration goes, perhaps if her husband wore Indian/Pakistani styled cultural clothing at times lol then it would make sense for her to wear Jordinian clothing at times as well hehe. But as Laila stated, perhaps PS just feels more comfortable wearing saris or even salvar kamiz (haven't seen her wear any before) to preserve her cultural individuality.

[Bubbette]

There are plenty of non-Arab Muslims and Christians in Jordan, and I think they do dress as they'd like, so I don't see why she would be any different even though she is royalty.

[Banadoora]

Originally posted by shelley@Apr 20th, 2004 - 7:46 am
I think I have seen photographs of P. Sarvath in western dress, particularly during day functions

Welcome Shelley!

You're right. I think she does wear westerm clothes.

I was wondering if she would wear the sari on official trips abroad, considering she would be representing Jordan.

[shelley]

When P. Hassan was crown prince I've seen pictures of P. sarvath in westernclothes in the day and saris in the evening. Recently she seems to wear saris and indian dress for all formal occasions and western when that is practical during the day. Fair enough !

[alia_musallam]

Here are some photos of them from the dutch wedding

Hassan, Sarvath and family

And again

[shelley]

I think I understand now why P. sarvath wears Indian dress so often. I heard that her sister who was a well known humnan rights lawyer, had died, and that there were a lot of press tributes to her. I am interested in what is being done for women's rights in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh and so I read these and then read some more books on the topics and from these I learnt that not only P.S's father, grandfather, uncles, great uncles etc were involved in a public role in all these countries but women like her mother, sister, cousins, great aunts were also regarded as pioneering women. This must have put P. S in an awkward position as she could not be seen to turn her back on her culture without disappointing many people back home. P. Muna and Q. Noor were also foreigners but their families were not prominent in their own countries. Q. Noor's father got to know people in the Arab world through his work but I do not think that they had any family connection in the Arab world after his grandfather immigrated to the US as a child. I think P S decided to stay as low key as she did, at least when I livbed in Jordan, was exactly because she knew what it was like to be in the piblic eye and perhaps did not like it. I have never read an interview by her or an article about her until the last few years when there was the whole business of the JRF's succession problems. Yet she did a lot of work if you read her cv. Its very interesting.

[Laura Lovec]

Princess Sarvath attends teachers' graduation

HRH Princess Sarvath yesterday acted as patron at the graduation ceremony of the teachers who completed training in the field of English language and social sciences with the help of the Canadian Teachers' Foundation, according to a statement released by the Canadian embassy in Amman. Minister of Education Khalid Touqan also attended the ceremony.
Princess Sarvath, through the Young Women Muslim Association and the Princess Sarvath Community College (PSCC), had developed links with Canadian educational institutions to improve early childhood education in Jordan.


http://www.jordantimes.com/thu/images/page2.jpeg

[assia]

Originally posted by Laura01@Jul 22nd, 2004 - 8:12 am
Princess Sarvath attends teachers' graduation

HRH Princess Sarvath yesterday acted as patron at the graduation ceremony of the teachers who completed training in the field of English language and social sciences with the help of the Canadian Teachers' Foundation, according to a statement released by the Canadian embassy in Amman. Minister of Education Khalid Touqan also attended the ceremony.
Princess Sarvath, through the Young Women Muslim Association and the Princess Sarvath Community College (PSCC), had developed links with Canadian educational institutions to improve early childhood education in Jordan.


http://www.jordantimes.com/thu/images/page2.jpeg

I don't understand something : there is the same picture on Jordan News Agency (PETRA) quoting that Princess Tharwa patronizes graduation ceremony. So who is Princess Tharwa ???

[Banadoora]

Originally posted by assia+Jul 22nd, 2004 - 9:03 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (assia @ Jul 22nd, 2004 - 9:03 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Laura01@Jul 22nd, 2004 - 8:12 am
Princess Sarvath attends teachers' graduation

HRH Princess Sarvath yesterday acted as patron at the graduation ceremony of the teachers who completed training in the field of English language and social sciences with the help of the Canadian Teachers' Foundation, according to a statement released by the Canadian embassy in Amman. Minister of Education Khalid Touqan also attended the ceremony.
Princess Sarvath, through the Young Women Muslim Association and the Princess Sarvath Community College (PSCC), had developed links with Canadian educational institutions to improve early childhood education in Jordan.


http://www.jordantimes.com/thu/images/page2.jpeg

I don't understand something : there is the same picture on Jordan News Agency (PETRA) quoting that Princess Tharwa patronizes graduation ceremony. So who is Princess Tharwa ??? [/b][/quote]
Her daughter I think. I think that's her in the picture, not princess Sarvath. They look so much alike though.

[Humera]

Originally posted by assia@Jul 22nd, 2004 - 9:03 am
I don't understand something : there is the same picture on Jordan News Agency (PETRA) quoting that Princess Tharwa patronizes graduation ceremony. So who is Princess Tharwa ???

Petra spelled her name wrong..they make mistakes with spelling/grammer all the time. Also, Sarvath might be pronounced differently in Arabic, in Urdu (Pakistan's national language) it would be pronounced exactly as it is spelled.

[Humera]

Originally posted by shelley@May 2nd, 2004 - 11:50 am
I think I understand now why P. sarvath wears Indian dress so often.* I heard that her sister who was a well known humnan rights lawyer, had died, and that there were a lot of press tributes to her. I am* interested in what is being done for women's rights in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh and so I read these and then read some more books on the topics and from these I learnt that not only P.S's father, grandfather, uncles, great uncles etc were involved in a public role in all these countries but women like her mother, sister, cousins, great aunts were also regarded as pioneering women.* This must have put P. S in an awkward position as she could not be seen to turn her back on her culture without disappointing many people back home.* P. Muna and Q. Noor were also foreigners but their families were not prominent in their own countries. Q. Noor's father got to know people in the Arab world through his work but I do not think that they had any family connection in the Arab world after his grandfather immigrated to the US as a child.* I think P S decided to stay as low key as she did, at least when I livbed in Jordan, was exactly because she knew what it was like to be in the piblic eye and perhaps did not like it.* I have never read an interview by her or an article about her until the last few years when there was the whole business of the JRF's succession problems.* Yet she did a lot of work if you read her cv.* Its very interesting.

Princess Sarvath indeed comes from a family that's very respected in Pakistan. Her mother was the first woman to represent pakistan at the UN, I believe, in the 1950s. Pakistani women have played a crucial role in politics, going all the way back to the country's independence from the British and subsequent partition from India. Princess Sarvath's parents were involved in the process from the beginning.
The princess herself is involved in various projects in Pakistan, she's a patron of the Pakistan Human Development Fund, for example.
But her dress has nothing to do with any of that. People in Pakistani hardly ever hear about her and dont care what she wears. While she wears both western clothing as well as the sari and shalwar kameez (pakistani dress), she seems to be more comfortable with the saris. Also, unlike many arab countries where women dont wear their traditional dress often, in Pakistan the traditional shalwar kameez is what people wear all the time, they may wear western clothing on few occasions, but the traditional clothing is worn at work, school, weddings etc. Pakistani women are used to more colourful/feminine attire, it also helps that the shalwar kameez is comfortable and very versatile.

[shelley]

Originally posted by assia@Jul 22nd, 2004 - 10:03 am
I don't understand something : there is the same picture on Jordan News Agency (PETRA) quoting that Princess Tharwa patronizes graduation ceremony. So who is Princess Tharwa ???

They are one and the same person ! Sarvath or Servet or Sarwat are the Urdu/Turkish/Farsi way of pronouncing Tharwa in Arabic. The same letter that is pronounced 's' in the first three languages is 'th' in Arabic. And the last 't' or 'th' is not pronounced at all in Arabic, in any way. Complicated. That is probably why some people think P. Hassan has been married twice, but actually it is only once, to the same lady, for almost thirty six years. It is one of the pecularities I have noticed about the Jordanian Arabic press when writing in English, is that they persist in using their own pronunciations and spellings of various names, even if the owner of the name uses a different pronunciation or spelling his or herself. This can also been seen in Jordan in street names when it is quite difficult sometimes to recognise whom a street is named for. Other countries are sometimes also guilty of this failing. The 'Times' newspaper of London always referred to the late king as Husayn even though he always spelt his name Hussein in English.

[papillon]

Originally posted by shelley@Jul 22nd, 2004 - 5:28 pm
It is one of the pecularities I have noticed about the Jordanian Arabic press when writing in English, is that they persist in using their own pronunciations and spellings of various names, even if the owner of the name uses a different pronunciation or spelling his or herself. This can also been seen in Jordan in street names when it is quite difficult sometimes to recognise whom a street is named for. Other countries are sometimes also guilty of this failing. The 'Times' newspaper of London always referred to the late king as Husayn even though he always spelt his name Hussein in English.

You are so right, Shelley. I noticed much of the English translations of Arabic words in Jordan is phonetic. For example, QN's name is sometimes spelled Nur, Nor, Nour, etc.

[Safaa Batin]

Originally Posted by papillon

You are so right, Shelley. I noticed much of the English translations of Arabic words in Jordan is phonetic. For example, QN's name is sometimes spelled Nur, Nor, Nour, etc.

in arabic there is always one way of spelling words, in english it is confusing, may be even to the english people.

[Safaa Batin]

But why this thread is not in the royal jordan family forum? there are also many threads about p. alia-alfaisal,queen noor and other threads.

[papillon]

Originally Posted by Safaa Batin

الأمير الحسن بن طلال

Safaa, for those of us who don't read Arabic, what's the gist of this article? I can see it's about P. Hassan, but what does it say?

Thanks.

[Humera]

MADRID, Spain: Jordan's Princess Sarvath El Hassan and Prince Rashid pose for photographers upon their arrival at Madrid's Barajas airport 21 May 2004 on the eve of Spanish Crown Prince Felipe of Bourbon and former journalist Letizia Ortiz' wedding ceremony.

[Humera]

Princess Sarvath wearing the shalwar kameez (traditional pakistani dress)
This picture was taken by a well-known pakistani photographer

[La la]

She looks stunning in her Shalwar Kameez!