Noor vs. Rania

[karima]

Hello,

I've read somewhere that the 2 queens hate each other, is this true and if yes, why?

thanks

[Redrose53083]

Originally Posted by karima

Hello,

I've read somewhere that the 2 queens hate each other, is this true and if yes, why?

thanks

I think hate is a very strong word...probably dislike. And why not? Despite the fact that Noor was American, she eventually gained the respect of many Jordanians. Queen Rania has, of late, been loosing the respect of many Jordanians. I don't think Queen Rania likes to share the spotlight with anyone, and sees Noor as a threat to her.

[karima]

I was not aware of that fact that Rania was not well liked.

PS: someone can tell me how many wives the late King Hussein had?

[Redrose53083]

Originally Posted by karima

I was not aware of that fact that Rania was not well liked.

PS: someone can tell me how many wives the late King Hussein had?

Well, a Queen who makes the news so frequently for her obsession with her looks and shopping is often not going to be well liked, especially the Queen of a nation with such a high poverty rate. King Hussein had 4 wives: Dina, Muna (Toni Gardner), Alia, and Noor (Lisa Halaby).

[karima]

I guess so, I always found her to be bit to much!

[farah]

on what base are you building your judgements? has anyone of you lived in jordan or even met a jordanian. in a country where the majority of people are palestenians I can assure you that a palestenian queen is liked much more than an american queen, jordanians used to like queen noor only because they loved their late king, most of jordanians do not like her as a person. by the way I'm jordanian.

[sol_anglada]

I abslutly agree with Farah. In fact Queen Noor wasn't loved by their people, mainly because she was american and also because at the first time as queen she spent a lot of money in jewels, clothes and so on. That doesn't mind that she wasn't a good queen, I do think she was a good queen and worked seriously in favour of her new country.
On the other hand Queen Rania has the advantage of being palestinian and today more than 60% of Jordan people are palestinian roots.
Sol

[Redrose53083]

I was voicing my assesment of the situation based on the jordanians I've talked to. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are pro-Noor /pro-Rania and plenty of people who are also on the other side of the spectrum. But when there are two Queens in a country, there is atleast some competition...to say the least.

[Redrose53083]

BTW, what exactly has Queen Rania done to help the Palestinian situation in Jordan over the past five years? I could be mistaken, but from what I've read and heard, not a whole lot.

[amina1]

[quote=Redrose53083]Well, a Queen who makes the news so frequently for her obsession with her looks and shopping is often not going to be well liked, especially the Queen of a nation with such a high poverty rate.

What is the poverty rate in Jordan?

[Balqis]

Firstly, I think starting a thread like this with such an opening line as Rania VS Noor is only likely going to generate a heated discussion. People have their own views and ideas. That's fine.

I personally think that we will never know the true story. It is clouded in gossip and innuendo. Two people can rub each other the wrong way, but still have anough decency, especially if they are in the same family, to respect one another. I have never heard either queen talk disparagingly about the other. Hey, they might be OK with one another. The reason why Queen Noor isn't as visible in Jordan could be for a myriad different reasons than the conclusion some people come up with that Queen Rania likes all the spotlight for herself. I personally think this is nonsense.

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by Redrose53083

Well, a Queen who makes the news so frequently for her obsession with her looks and shopping is often not going to be well liked, especially the Queen of a nation with such a high poverty rate. King Hussein had 4 wives: Dina, Muna (Toni Gardner), Alia, and Noor (Lisa Halaby).

I don't think shopping trips would be classified as newsworthy, Redrose. Queen Rania is much more known for the hard work she has done for Jordan and the various organizations she supports. If the Jordanian people do not see this, and I am actually quite sure that they generally do, then it's quite sad. I think it's actually some people on the internet who are so focused on the clothes, who constantly bring up her supposed obsession with looks. That's what I see.

[Safaa Batin]

Originally Posted by sol_anglada

I abslutly agree with Farah. In fact Queen Noor wasn't loved by their people, mainly because she was american and also because at the first time as queen she spent a lot of money in jewels, clothes and so on. That doesn't mind that she wasn't a good queen, I do think she was a good queen and worked seriously in favour of her new country.
On the other hand Queen Rania has the advantage of being palestinian and today more than 60% of Jordan people are palestinian roots.
Sol

how did you know that noor wasn't loved by the people ? she is very popular and still, we don't have problem with her being american.
queen Rania also is a good queen, i am not palestinian and I like her, and with the time she will be as much popular as noor or more when she become a queen for 20 years like her.

[Redrose53083]

Hmm, I found this article on Rania's attempt to help the Palestinians in Jordan and the uproar it caused. Maybe I'm being too critical of her...:-/
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1217/p07s02-wome.html

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by Redrose53083

Hmm, I found this article on Rania's attempt to help the Palestinians in Jordan and the uproar it caused. Maybe I'm being too critical of her...:-/
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1217/p07s02-wome.html

So are you saying she isn't doing enough? Personally I think the article above just shows what the King and Queen are up against. The incentive to move forward, to create a better life for their subjects is there, but sometimes they come up against a wall. It's a complex issue. I don't think you can fault Rania for at least trying.

Also, from what I have seen of the King's recent trip to the US and Japan, he has been tirelessly talking about the Palestinian issue, making sure the coming elections run smoothly and basically promotiong a positive outlook for the future of the Palestinian issue ie. that it is the main agenda of world leaders. Abdullah, along with Rania, have been doing that for years now. I think they see a positive outcome for the Palestinians as benefiting Jordan and the whole region and they are doing what they can. King Hussein and Queen Noor have always made that their priority too :)

[maryshawn]

QN has been very public in stating she hopes "to help KA and QR" and "never to be a burden to them in anyway." Perhaps that is why she is keeping a lower profile in Jordan now. After KH's death, I think she quite graciously moved into a behind the scenes role and focused on her children. As my late grandmother used to say (she was Irish): "Refrain from indulging in hatred. It seldom becomes anyone." When asked if she was a "friend" of Princess Diana, QN responded they'd met but their hectic schedules kept them from spending much time together. Both QR and QN have a lot on their plates. Perhaps, it's that which keeps them apart.

[Lyonnaise]

Here are a few photos of Jordan's Queens together.

[Lyonnaise]

A few more

[Redrose53083]

Originally Posted by Balqis

So are you saying she isn't doing enough? Personally I think the article above just shows what the King and Queen are up against. The incentive to move forward, to create a better life for their subjects is there, but sometimes they come up against a wall. It's a complex issue. I don't think you can fault Rania for at least trying.

I do give Rania credit for atleast trying. What concerns me is that things like rights for the Palestinians in Jordan or the horror of honor crims take some drastic action. I wish that after five years, they may have made atleast some lead way, but it seems that the minute they meet oppostition to such issues, they back down instead of continueing to fight.

[kinneret5764]

Originally Posted by Redrose53083

I do give Rania credit for atleast trying. What concerns me is that things like rights for the Palestinians in Jordan or the horror of honor crims take some drastic action. I wish that after five years, they may have made atleast some lead way, but it seems that the minute they meet oppostition to such issues, they back down instead of continueing to fight.

I am disappointed in the JRF's relative inaction against honor crimes. KA rules by decree; if he really wanted to end honor crimes he could intervene and have the perps dealt with severely. Some perps get a mere year in jail for killing a woman just on suspicion alone. This is unfair. If a king can dissolve his own parliament, and fire his government, he can decree honor crimes to be a crime punishable by death.