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Old 02-06-2015, 12:26 PM
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If it was up to me, anywhere ISIS is would be blown to smithereens.
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Old 02-06-2015, 01:27 PM
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God bless, and succour the people of Jordan, and their King & Queen.
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:39 PM
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And they want to remain a civilized state, which is why HM will do what he can to ensure that Jordon does not fall to ISIS. Being a politically correct namby pamby like most western countries does nothing to protect the people.

God Bless King Abdullah and his people.
the comment about civilised or not country was for the executions, not for the King's decision to declare war against ISIS. You blame western countries for everything but they are Jordan's allies in the same moment.
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:51 PM
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I sincerely hope this is the beginning of the turning point for the Muslim world to unite, stand up to and eventually remove the extremist who have hijacked Islam for their barbaric actions.

Because it's the Muslims themselves who are best at dealing with these fanatics.
The fanatics will never stop on their own accord! They will keep on killing until they are eventually stopped. And should they accomplish their goal of a world wide caliphate it will still continue. Because then the "witch-hunts" will start. Then they will start to kill those who are not "Muslim enough". Fanatics cannot stop! They cannot see reason. They will not compromise.

It is, I fear, a race between the moderate Muslim majority stopping the extremists and the extremists doing their very best to drag the whole Muslim world into a mad showdown. Because at some point the extremists will go too far and most of the world will join together to take them out once and for all. Just like the Nazis. And should that happen it will not be a question of "are you a moderate Muslim or are you a fanatic"? It will instead be: "Are you a Muslim? Then you are my enemy". And it will not just be a showdown between the Muslim world and the West, it will be a lot worse.
Make no mistake: There is nothing the extremists would like better than to drag all Muslims into a world wide showdown, because they are convinced they will win. That they will instead be cursed by the survivors is not something they even consider.
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:52 PM
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Act like IS?Me?Well well,I never thought of it like that...Hmmm Nah,no way.I prefer the ECB over IS thank you.

The terrorists were not just killed to satisfy the family of the late pilot!What a simple thought I must say.No,it goes much much deeper,further then that.The Nation is furious,every single reasonable soul is furious.
And rightfully so.
When a country answer an execution with another execution this is not civilised but I don't try to persuade you, there is no hope.
The pilot was member of well known family, close to royal family.
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Old 02-06-2015, 04:00 PM
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Jordan's Queen Rania (C) carries a picture of the recently executed Jordanian pilot Muath al-Kassasbeh with the words reading in Arabic 'Muath is a martyr of right' during a march after noon pray in down town Amman, Jordan, 06 February 2015. Thousands of Jordanians gathered in a show of solidarity for the Jordanian pilot burnt alive by the group calling itself Islamic State (IS) after being held by the group since his capture in late December, in response to the pilot's death the Jordanian Government executed two convicted terrorists and has since carried out a number of bombing raids on IS targets in Iraq and Syria.

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Old 02-06-2015, 04:03 PM
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I sincerely hope this is the beginning of the turning point for the Muslim world to unite, stand up to and eventually remove the extremist who have hijacked Islam for their barbaric actions.

Because it's the Muslims themselves who are best at dealing with these fanatics.
The fanatics will never stop on their own accord! They will keep on killing until they are eventually stopped. And should they accomplish their goal of a world wide caliphate it will still continue. Because then the "witch-hunts" will start. Then they will start to kill those who are not "Muslim enough". Fanatics cannot stop! They cannot see reason. They will not compromise.

It is, I fear, a race between the moderate Muslim majority stopping the extremists and the extremists doing their very best to drag the whole Muslim world into a mad showdown. Because at some point the extremists will go too far and most of the world will join together to take them out once and for all. Just like the Nazis. And should that happen it will not be a question of "are you a moderate Muslim or are you a fanatic"? It will instead be: "Are you a Muslim? Then you are my enemy". And it will not just be a showdown between the Muslim world and the West, it will be a lot worse.
Make no mistake: There is nothing the extremists would like better than to drag all Muslims into a world wide showdown, because they are convinced they will win. That they will instead be cursed by the survivors is not something they even consider.
I am new here and have been reading this thread and many other threads since it started, I have to say your comment was extremely insightful and brilliant. Thank You for pointing out that this world is now reaching a crisis point like it reached with WW2 and the Nazi's.
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Old 02-06-2015, 04:23 PM
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Jordan's Queen Rania (C) holds a picture of recently executed Jordanian pilot Muath al-Kasasbeh, with the words in Arabic reading "Muath is a martyr of right", during a march after Friday prayers in downtown Amman February 6, 2015.

She attended the march with her sister

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Old 02-06-2015, 04:24 PM
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I sincerely hope this is the beginning of the turning point for the Muslim world to unite, stand up to and eventually remove the extremist who have hijacked Islam for their barbaric actions.
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While your comments have a point, the question "Which countries opened the Pandora box and destabilised the region?" should be asked.
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Old 02-06-2015, 04:39 PM
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While your comments have a point, the question "Which countries opened the Pandora box and destabilised the region?" should be asked.
I'm afraid that question is irrelevant if the balloon goes up.

If say a weapon of mass destruction - chemical, nuclear or biological goes off in Shanghai, Tel Aviv, Mumbai, Nairobi or Boston (all of them plausible targets). No one is going to ask such questions.

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Old 02-06-2015, 04:54 PM
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I just hope that the stars are aligned in favor of Jordan and that KAII will have the strength and substance to protect his Kingdom from division and possible civil insurrection. I don't care how he does it, either. Yep.
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Old 02-06-2015, 04:57 PM
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JORDAN- FEBRUARY 5: Queen Rania of Jordan consoles Anwar Al Tarawneh, the wife of the Jordanian pilot Muath Al Kasasbeh, who was burned to death after being held hostage by Islamic State (IS) on February 5, 2015, in Aey, Jordan. Muath al-Kasaesbeh was captured by the terror group after crashing his plane near Raqqa in northern Syria, during a mission against IS in December.

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Old 02-06-2015, 05:04 PM
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Jordan's Queen Rania (C) holds a picture of recently executed Jordanian pilot Muath al-Kasasbeh, with the words in Arabic reading "Muath is a martyr of right", during a march after Friday prayers in downtown Amman February 6, 2015.

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i gues the girl next to the Queen is the sister.
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Old 02-06-2015, 05:15 PM
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We haven't seen a threat like ISIS for quite a while. It's good to see a leader in the Middle East taking decisive action.

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I am new here and have been reading this thread and many other threads since it started, I have to say your comment was extremely insightful and brilliant. Thank You for pointing out that this world is now reaching a crisis point like it reached with WW2 and the Nazi's.
Answering this question, which is so emotionally and politically loaded, would quickly degenerate into the kind of argument which has no place here.

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Old 02-06-2015, 07:13 PM
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While your comments have a point, the question "Which countries opened the Pandora box and destabilised the region?" should be asked.

First off there was a legitimate reason for other countries to come into the region...and most of the free world, to include almost every single Muslim country, were involved.


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Old 02-06-2015, 07:26 PM
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While your comments have a point, the question "Which countries opened the Pandora box and destabilised the region?" should be asked.
Living here in NYC and seeing 9/11, I don't think that there would be a world leader who could answer that question if a weapon of mass destruction would go off in any of the major cities around the world. There is no country to hide in this world from Isis, they want total control and will go to the ends of the earth to get it, also being a part time student at NYU and studying world economics', I think that there would be no world leaders left to answer your question if that weapon went off. I admire KA for taking such a strong stand against people that use religion as a means to control and create fear. My prayers are that the world leaders today would stand beside him so that the world can have peace for all.
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Old 02-06-2015, 07:34 PM
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While your comments have a point, the question "Which countries opened the Pandora box and destabilised the region?" should be asked.
I agree that in the grand scheme of things, the question you ask is a very relevant one and should be carefully and considerately debated and answered. Whether that should be done here is another matter, because the whole issue is so very sensitive.

With regard to King Abdullah's reaction to the murder of the Jordanian pilot, my initial thoughts upon hearing the news were that I didn't think the "retaliatory" executions would be very helpful, I didn't think it was the right thing to do and am still not sure. However, I also thought "well at least he has made a decision, has acted quickly and not just sat around talking about it and doing nothing.

What ISIS is doing and the way they are doing it is a danger to everyone, a danger to muslims and non-muslims alike. I cannot begin to imagine what needs to be done in order to contain them and stop them. I wouldn't know where to start.
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Old 02-06-2015, 07:50 PM
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They weren't really retaliatory executions though...the men had already been tried and sentenced to death before they murdered the Jordanian pilot.

The proceeding bombing etc are retaliatory. Good for them.


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Old 02-06-2015, 08:29 PM
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The bombings should have been happening in the first place.
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