Jordanian Royal Family Picture Thread II

[closesttoheaven]

Originally Posted by RADKER18

just got interested in Queen Noor is she close to Princess Haya and vice versa?

most people say NO.but dont know if its rumors or if it is the truth.
my opinion is - maybe they have trouble - but QN is something like PH mother and so i think ... they are in contact and so on.maybe not the best relationship - but who really knows

[emily62_1]

Originally Posted by closesttoheaven

most people say NO.but dont know if its rumors or if it is the truth.
my opinion is - maybe they have trouble - but QN is something like PH mother and so i think ... they are in contact and so on.maybe not the best relationship - but who really knows

I'd say no, as soon as KH died, Hayah got back to Germany, she was interviewed there, where she was training to compete, and she talked alot about her late father, her late mum, about Rania, whom she called- an angel sent to earth- but when asked about QN, she replied she had nothing to say about - my father's widow- in fact, her home had many portraits of QR, KA, QA, KH, Ali, nothing at all of Queen Noor. PS- QN was not invited at Hayah's wedding nor at Ali's wed.

[closesttoheaven]

Originally Posted by emily62_1

I'd say no, as soon as KH died, Hayah got back to Germany, she was interviewed there, where she was training to compete, and she talked alot about her late father, her late mum, about Rania, whom she called- an angel sent to earth- but when asked about QN, she replied she had nothing to say about - my father's widow- in fact, her home had many portraits of QR, KA, QA, KH, Ali, nothing at all of Queen Noor. PS- QN was not invited at Hayah's wedding nor at Ali's wed.

well.maybe we havent seen any picture with qn at their weddings but that doesnt mean she hasnt been there!
and where do you know that she has many portraits of them in her home?!
i never saw her home anywhere!
i say - maybe im wrong but .... there are always rumors!

[Humera]

Originally Posted by RADKER18

just got interested in Queen Noor is she close to Princess Haya and vice versa?

they seem to have a very complicated relationship. You might want to have a look at the old Princess Haya thread for a more recent disscussion on the subject: Princess Haya- News and Photos IV
(Pages 8 and 9)

Princess Haya and Prince Ali apparently harbour some resentment towards Noor since King Hussein married her soon (I think a year) after the death of Queen Alia. I find it odd that Haya and perhaps Ali have this attitude towards Noor and not towards their father who was, after all, the one who asked Noor to marry him.
When King Hussein was alive, Haya and Ali publicly spoke warmly of Queen Noor. But since his death their relationship has seemed to cooled off. Some people have said that Noor wasnt a warm step-mother. But then she doesnt come across as a particularly maternal person (like Queen Rania for example). Ofcourse that doesnt mean she wasnt capable of being loving.
I think its safe to say that whatever relationship and level of interaction Haya and Noor had with each other has diminished significantly since King Hussein's death. Noor wasn't at Haya's wedding, nor the wedding of her brother Prince Ali.

[closesttoheaven]

Originally Posted by ~*~Humera~*~

they seem to have a very complicated relationship. You might want to have a look at the old Princess Haya thread for a more recent disscussion on the subject: Princess Haya- News and Photos IV
(Pages 8 and 9)

Princess Haya and Prince Ali apparently harbour some resentment towards Noor since King Hussein married her soon (I think a year) after the death of Queen Alia. I find it odd that Haya and perhaps Ali have this attitude towards Noor and not towards their father who was, after all, the one who asked Noor to marry him.
When King Hussein was alive, Haya and Ali publicly spoke warmly of Queen Noor. But since his death their relationship has seemed to cooled off. Some people have said that Noor wasnt a warm step-mother. But then she doesnt come across as a particularly maternal person (like Queen Rania for example). Ofcourse that doesnt mean she wasnt capable of being loving.
I think its safe to say that whatever relationship and level of interaction Haya and Noor had with each other has diminished significantly since King Hussein's death. Noor wasn't at Haya's wedding, nor the wedding of her brother Prince Ali.

i have to agree with your first lines - with their father ect. !
i think shes very maternal.dont know why.but when you look at her when shes together with children.she seems very maternal.
a german doctor said once when he visited a children hospital with her - she had tears in her eyes and spoke with every child and was very lovely.
so who knows... she always cares not to talk about her family her children and so on in the public.and thats why she seems cold i think.but she isnt i think.... dont know :)

[Lilygal]

King Hussein played the favouritism card where his children were concerned, he was mostly influenced by his wives over time. His children from previous marriages were also over shadowed or removed from the picture when he married again.

Haya and Ali were rarely seen in any pics with their father once he had chilren with Queen Noor, eventhough they were still toddlers themselves.

I read once on a forum here that when Queen Alia was alive she was particularly interested in making Ali crown prince. This goes to show how easily King Hussein was swayed by his wives.

[closesttoheaven]

Originally Posted by Lilygal

King Hussein played the favouritism card where his children were concerned, he was mostly influenced by his wives over time. His children from previous marriages were also over shadowed or removed from the picture when he married again.

Haya and Ali were rarely seen in any pics with their father once he had chilren with Queen Noor, eventhough they were still toddlers themselves.

I read once on a forum here that when Queen Alia was alive she was particularly interested in making Ali crown prince. This goes to show how easily King Hussein was swayed by his wives.

do you really think that?!
maybe he was naive - but he WAS NOT STUPID!!!
it was his decision - not QAs or QNs.

that abdullah became king - and hamza became crown prince was at first only his decision and second his and his sons decision.
thats known too.....

[Alicky]

I don't think of King Hussein as naive at all. He would have been a very dithering, unaware and gullible person to have something like his successor be chosen by a wife for which he showed little regard. In order for those sort of machinations to take place, he would have had to have been very unsure, shilly-shally and indecisive, but by all accounts he was a decisive, firm, commanding and authoritative person. I don't think anyone could have pulled a major fast one like this over him (unless we're talking about the sort of calculations that could have occured when he was consumed by cancer in his final days).

Besides, Alia doesn't fit the profile of the manipulator, it was her biggest wish to go off and live anonymously with her husband and children, to have a happy home life. She found it so difficult to cope with her husband being King, I don't think she, for her sake or her son's, would have been lobbying overtime to secure Ali as the next king.

[Roshanah]

True She did. The hope is now that KH's (Children irresepective of favouritism during their infancy) pull together now that their Father is gone. It seems that more within the Jordanian Royal Family was damaged with the passing of KH. Maybe that point wasn't fully addressed. All I know is that since his death the family aren't the sam; it seems as if he were their foundation and they hadn't prepared themselves for the day (though sad) when their 'Foundation' went away. I hope that they can get along, Jordan more than everneeds them to be a united Family.

[emily62_1]

Originally Posted by closesttoheaven

well.maybe we havent seen any picture with qn at their weddings but that doesnt mean she hasnt been there!
and where do you know that she has many portraits of them in her home?!
i never saw her home anywhere!
i say - maybe im wrong but .... there are always rumors!

can't understand why u are always thinking that everything I say about JRF is a rumour, well, the journalist , who interviewed Hayah, back in 1999, in Germany, wrote that she had many portraits in her home, but not a single 1 of QN, hope u'll show more respect for me from now on, I'm really getting tired of your attitude, when u post a message, I treat u with respect, just as I do with all the other members of this Forum.

[Little_star]

"Princess Haya and Prince Ali apparently harbour some resentment towards Noor since King Hussein married her soon (I think a year) after the death of Queen Alia. I find it odd that Haya and perhaps Ali have this attitude towards Noor and not towards their father who was, after all, the one who asked Noor to marry him. "

I don't think that's surprising as such, in most circumstances children will recent the "new parent". After all they wouldn't want to alienate their father.

[Alicky]

That and the extraordinary circumstances that they were all in, being the royal family, would magnify their problems. Even if there wasn't the feuding, it still would have been a very difficult situation. Three children who lost a mother having to share their father, who had a full time job as King, with a new wife and four new children and then boarding school. I don't understand how these children each got the "adequate""continuing" and "individual attention in a meaningful way" that every child needs to feel secure and to develope emotionally healthy.

[closesttoheaven]

Originally Posted by emily62_1

can't understand why u are always thinking that everything I say about JRF is a rumour, well, the journalist , who interviewed Hayah, back in 1999, in Germany, wrote that she had many portraits in her home, but not a single 1 of QN, hope u'll show more respect for me from now on, I'm really getting tired of your attitude, when u post a message, I treat u with respect, just as I do with all the other members of this Forum.

i treat you with respect - but I SAY ALWAYS - I THINK - and you tell like you know all - and thats why i discuss.i never treat you bad - i ask only where do you know and i never read this interview....

i think its very difficult to say always its that fact or thats fact.so im asking myself - where do you know this all!

and so i dont think that i dont treat you with respect!

[closesttoheaven]

Originally Posted by Alicky

That and the extraordinary circumstances that they were all in, being the royal family, would magnify their problems. Even if there wasn't the feuding, it still would have been a very difficult situation. Three children who lost a mother having to share their father, who had a full time job as King, with a new wife and four new children and then boarding school. I don't understand how these children each got the "adequate""continuing" and "individual attention in a meaningful way" that every child needs to feel secure and to develope emotionally healthy.

yes im asking myself too!
its very difficult give four children the attention they need.
how can a father - whos king - give more than 10 children the attention...very difficult.
maybe that explains that QN maybe gave her four children more attention because she wanted them to have all the attention she can give them (when it was this way that she gave them more attention).

[Alicky]

A difficult scenario for all involved I guess. Talk about being stretched thin!

[lil Monkey]

Originally Posted by closesttoheaven

yes im asking myself too!
its very difficult give four children the attention they need.
how can a father - whos king - give more than 10 children the attention...very difficult.
maybe that explains that QN maybe gave her four children more attention because she wanted them to have all the attention she can give them (when it was this way that she gave them more attention).

I agree with you.

[emily62_1]

Originally Posted by closesttoheaven

i treat you with respect - but I SAY ALWAYS - I THINK - and you tell like you know all - and thats why i discuss.i never treat you bad - i ask only where do you know and i never read this interview....

i think its very difficult to say always its that fact or thats fact.so im asking myself - where do you know this all!

and so i dont think that i dont treat you with respect!

so what- u never read the interview, well ? if I tell this Forum memebers- I read an interview- of course, I did read it. I don't act as if I know it all, we are here to share what we know , our infos etc. maybe u didn't get it.

[rchainho]

http://www.petra.gov.jo/nepras/2005/Sep/04/27291000.htm

Princess Ayesha bint Al Hussein to Visit Italy</STRONG></FONT>

[closesttoheaven]

Originally Posted by emily62_1

so what- u never read the interview, well ? if I tell this Forum memebers- I read an interview- of course, I did read it. I don't act as if I know it all, we are here to share what we know , our infos etc. maybe u didn't get it.

yes for sure!thats not what i mean - you dont get it!
do you really believe all what journalists write?they write so much... thats why im asking and make questioning...
dont believe in all thats written...
why arent you able to discuss?!

[maryshawn]

It's unfortunate that there appears to be some animosity--but not with all the children. Some of the