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#21
07-31-2005, 07:21 PM
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Yea, I think she is. Last edited by Alexandria : 07-31-2005 at 08:54 PM. Reason: removed unnecessary personal image |
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#23
07-31-2005, 10:04 PM
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"In 1955 Hussein made the first of his four marriages: he wed a distant Hashemite cousin, Dina Abd al-Hamid al-Awn, who was seven years his senior. Queen Dina was an urbane Egyptian intellectual, with a degree in English from Girton College, Cambridge; King Hussein preferred fast cars. When, after only 18 months of marriage, Dina travelled to Cairo to visit a cousin, Hussein wrote from Amman to tell her that the marriage was over. They had one daughter, Alia, whom Hussein kept with him in Amman. Dina was not permitted to see her until she was six. "
http://www.derbydeadpool.co.uk/deadp...s/hussein.html ============== The prospective bride was Cambridge-educated and held a teaching post at Cairo University. Never mind that she was six years older than the groom. Being king would made up for any shortcomings on his part. The choice had fallen on Al Sharifa Dina Abdel Aziz Oaun, a distant cousin. Through her father Al Sharif Abdel Hamid, her lineage--like that of King Hussein--could be traced back to Prophet Mohammed--hence her birthright designation of Al Sharifa (the Honorable). http://www.egy.com/landmarks/99-02-18.shtml |
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#24
08-01-2005, 10:48 AM
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No offence to yo Alicky but why isn't more mentioned with regards to her initiatives, which supposed ly are meant to help jordanianas? One hasn' seen or heard of one that has helped in a major way. Certain women have had to uproot their families or temporariily leave them in Jordan in order to gain additional qualifications in order to gain seniority in Education. For instance, there is no comparitive literature infrastructure in Jordan, and my friend had to leave her husband and children inJordan in order to gain seniority as a Jordanian lecturer in order to read a PHD in England. She became so lisolated and became at times anohrexic, that she became moody and depressed. She had to wait until the Summmer to visit her Husband and Children. Now she is planning to take her children to England whilst she is reading her PHD and she and her young children will return to her husband during the holidays and return to Jordan perminantly after she obtainns the PHD. How is that fair, what is Rania doing about that?  Am angry with Rania not you Alicky :) |
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#25
08-01-2005, 10:57 AM
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Lol, no offence taken. I just hate this over-tweezing trend!
This ties into another opinion of mine though, as I see now Rania is criticized by her own world for her more modern western style, but that is precisely why the west likes her so much. Not because of her intelligence or hard work, but because she is pretty and glamorous. I have nothing against her style and don't demand that she tone it down, but that it is what takes the focus away from her work and causes people to focus only on her appearance. Queen Noor knew that pizazz and glamour would not be appropriate and saw that it shifted the focus into the wrong spots. Again, as a westerner, I don't find anything wrong with her wardrobe, but it will bring certain results. 
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08-02-2005, 08:48 AM
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08-02-2005, 08:51 AM
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08-02-2005, 01:06 PM
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He did that with Princess Muna too. I read an article a few years ago about how when she was on holiday with the children in the US, she heard of her divorce and that King Huseein was going to marry Alia.
Even Queen Noor mentions in her book about the rumour mill saying that he was going to leave her for a Palestinian woman, when she was in London. He may have been a great King, but he sure had a common problem like most men in ending a relationship face to face. |
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08-02-2005, 03:15 PM
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This is soo mean Roshanah :( :( |
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08-02-2005, 07:48 PM
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08-02-2005, 08:08 PM
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On the contrary, according to accounts he treated all of his wives badly. He wrote dear Jane letter to all bubt one of his wives and hadn't the descency to tell them face to face. That's the least he could have done. He married Queen Dina, sent her a Dear Jane letter, stopped her from seing her own Daughter from 9thms of age until she was six. Dina was his cousin and became his wife and hi still treated her like that. THAT'S MEAN. When he divorced Muna he also sent a Dear Jane letter, he should have had the gumshen to have told her face to face. Was he afraid that she'd slap him? He also plaid around on Queen Alia RA, AS, Allah yarhamaha. And Finally he sent a Dear JAne letter to Queen Noor, whilst she was in London. That was reprehensible, seing as he presued her not the other way around. She like the previous wives changed their lives and made also made personal sacrifices of their choices in life. Thereafter to be treated in such a foul way is out of order. There is NO excuse for it. He had to pay retribution and I said IF he didn't repent of the FOUL manner in which he had treated his former wives then, one can understand why he contracted Cancer. Also, dispite the foul way in which KH treated QN SH was hte one who tended ot him when he was battling Cancer. As the statement is now the 'Mighty' have fallen. If accounts are to be believed, KH thought it was alright to treat his wives as he did and thought he was invinveable. When he contracted Cancer and underwent treatment, who was it that took care of him. His now Widow, QN. If accounts are to be believed, then what he did was out of bounds. He thereafter received retribution, when he contracted Cancer. I grew up loving KH but IF and only if the accounts are true, then he ought to have been ashamed of himself. There is also another point, he could have repented at a leter date but it was to late to undue the hurt he may have caused them. |
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#32
08-02-2005, 08:20 PM
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I'd be the last person to defend King Hussein's play-boyish behaviour. However, no individual is perfect and there are plenty of people out there who've done worse things. Still, I wouldnt wish cancer on any of them. It is a horrible disease that doesnt just affect the person afflicted but his/her entire family and friends.
No one, least of all you Roshanah, has the right to claim that cancer was Hussein's punishment for all the bad things he did. Only God knows that. Perfectly good people get cancer too, including people I know. I find your comments incredibly judgemental and cruel, least of all coming from a person who is always lecturing others on Islam and morality. |
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08-02-2005, 09:38 PM
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To say that anyone deserves cancer is incredibly cruel and insensitive. To say that people who get cancer in some way deserve it is so terrible beyond words. My mom had cancer. You cannot understand how terrible it was to sit in her hospital room after the removal of a tumour that could've killed her and then to watch her go through chemo for months afterwards and to think that she somehow deserved it anymore than King Hussein deserved his cancer. I've watched two other friends lose their moms to cancer and I never once thought that any of them deserved it. To make such a comment makes me think that such a person is truly without feeling, insensitive beyond belief and has not heart or sense of compassion. It would certainly make me question anything else that came from such a person, knowing that they not only wish cancer on other people but that they think people deserve such a terrible disease. |
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08-02-2005, 10:04 PM
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I think also it is mean to say that anyone deserves cancer , I can understand your feeling Alexandria because also my youngest brother had concer and it was really sad period for my family .
the King Hussein was a human and human make mistakes , and he was a great loss for his family and people , and he war really smart person did a lot for his country , although he didn't support my country when it was invaded by Iraq but I can be objective . |
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08-03-2005, 12:56 AM
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Let's get one thing straight HUMERA! First of All I said IF ACCOUNTS are to believed. Secondly, I'm MORE than aware of the effects of Cancer and it's emotion effects upon family members. My late Grand-Father this year died of Prostate Cancer and he was a Bad man whom later tried to mend his ways but the damage that he did took years to mend. Thirdly, I'm also aware that many good people contracted Cancer, I too have know some and NO I wouldn't have wished it on them. I also wouldn't have wished it on KH either. I grew with a sincere love in my heart for KH and knew nothing of how he treated his former wives inc QN his widow. I thought that he was a great king and even put the king of my Country at times to shame. Hence I was shocked and cried when I heard that he contracted and died of Cancer dispite it later going into remission. I more than agree that no one is perfect and people at times have made mistakes and have to be forgiven for them. I also know that there have been some that have done worse and was only referring the the matter which was mentioned in THIS forum. But there's a difference between making mistakes and being cruel. You said that you didn't supporting KH play-boyish ways, you cannot tell me that what he did to them IF ACCOUNTS ARE TO BE BELIEVED was right. I assume that you also are aware of the fact that he caused alot of pain, all of his wives loved him and IF ACCOUNTS ARE TO BE BELIEVED he sent them dear Jane letters, cheated on them etc that was cruel. The way he prevented Queen Dina from seeing her Child until she was Six, that was Judgemental. KH married four times one could understand if he just did that to one of his former wives and I'm not saying that it's right either but one could say ok he made a mistake. However, he continued to do it to the other three, by the time he did so to QN one can't claim it's a mistake then, one can only claim it to being pre-meditated. If he had been so before he married one wouldn't have said a thing but it's the fact that he continued to do into his married life. FOUR TIMES. Where was that fair? It isn't judgemental to simply want a person to be decent, to simply say that they no longer love such a person but want to end the relationship upon an amicable note to the persons face. He had the impotous to propose to his former wives face to face and hinted that he wanted them to be faithful, the least he could have done was to say he wanted to divorce them face to face and then had another relationship but not by humuliating them by conducting affairs whilst married to them. If a Woman from such a Culture did what he did she'd be austracised or worse, because she'd be deemed as someone whom disrespected herself and humiliated her family. If a man from the same culture does the same it's worse I've seen it, they blame the wife and claim that she knew about and let it go on and worse. Pardon me for being so blunt but this is the way that many have and still look at it, ifone is a member of such a society, by no means am I saying that society is to blame either. All four wives Were Virgo intacto before marriage to KH Educated professionals Good hearted women upon marriage to KH they either converted to Islam or deepened they faith and understanding of Islam left their respective homelands to live in Jordan and share his throne and all the responsibilities that came with it two had to adjust to a culture that they were unaccustomed to or had little knowledge of. They all bore him children and placed KH and their respective Children's needs before their own. They also loved KH and their Children dearly. They raised their children to Love Jordan and to become accliamated to the reality and weight of their titles and the responsibilities that they encompassed. Thereafter the aforesaid, to whilst thinking that one was in a marriage to last they end up recieving a DEAR JANE letter and no more than that. Granted QN upon KH death was bequeathed the bulk of his entire estate. What did they do to deserve that. His play-boyish ways could have sprouted from many places, his need to feel care free in the midst of so much responsibility, or maybe he the attempt made upon his life may have scarred him and the infidelity was a way of dealing with it or covering it, I don't know. Which ever it was, the best thing for him to do was to wait deal with his issues and then marry. Thereby allowing himself to heal from the aforesaid and other things. Then he would have been emotionally equipped to deal with his personal life in general. Instead he rushed into the next marriage (although lovely women) and took it out on them. When he shold have taken time out for himself. I also don't claim that KH contracting Cancer was the will of God. I NEVER said it, NOR implied it. I said no wonder he got it, because by all other accounts, and this was when I was ignorant of KH 'play-boyish' ways I thought it was an injustice that he contracted it in the first place. I responded to the post that said how PM discovered that she was to be divorced by her then husband. I wonder at all if the my post was read IN IT'S ENTIREITY. I also said that, on the other hand he could have been remorseful later on in his life, but by the time he was it still couldn't erase the pain that his prior actions caused. I'm saying he also could have thought about it later and thought maybe he was wrong. I gave an argument both for and against the matter. Let's get another matter straight. I NEVER have and NEVER do lecture people about ISLAM or MORALITY. So lets stop with the exageration NOW. Have you read all of my posts because if you had you wouldn't have said that. I tend to leave Islam and Morality out of it but there have been matters in the past where the subject couldn't be avoided. Also If you read the posts placed in the "What happened to Rania's empowerment of women" you would have found comments from other people who: JUDGED ISLAM, THE EAST, EASTERN CUSTOMS inc Honour killings, Certain Muslim males having 4 wives andd PH marriage and intentions towards Sheikh Mo and deemed them to be barbaric, egregious and atrocious. I spent most of time making arguments both for and against the subjects but NEVER DID I NOR DO I LECTURE ANYONE ABOUT ISLAM AND MORALITY. Thereafter certain individuals had MISREAD my posts, they incorrectly deemed me to be an audacious, judgmental and unfeeeling person. Whenever Islam has come into it by at the time uninformed forum members as regards the aforementioned subjects, they have come down on the aforesaid like a ton of bricks by judging them by Western statutes and customs and stated that were barbaric, atrocious and the like etc without listening to both sides of the story, only then have I ever given the Islamic background to the aforementioned and created argument for and against when needed . So your comment that I'm always lecturing people about Islam and Morality was OUT OF BOUNDS. Furthermore, HOW DARE YOU! Also I've mentioned Islam when others have wrongfully criticised or judged it or when when a Muslims actions have been called into question. In conclusion, DO NOT EVER paint me to be someone whom is a dogmatic, perpendicular, hypocyitical, riggid and inflexible Person. I never nor claim to know what Allah S.W.T knows nor his reasons for doing things, that would be commiting Shirk. Mandkind only exist due to fact that Allah S.W.T a being with knowledge greater than our own and who taught us that which did not know created us. I'm nothing and no one compared to Allah S.W.T and wouldn't DARE to claim to be more than Allah S.W.T made me. So your saying that I claimed that KH Cancer was Gods way of punishing him for his misdeads, I DIDN'T! retribution doesn't necessarily mean that it's from Allah S.W.T. People in the past have contracted minor and major illnesses etc for a myriad of reasons, some people are good some are bad fair enough. To infer that I said (which I don't believe)that people in general that have or had ever contracted Cancer was a punishment from Allah, is first of all PUTTING words into MY MOUTH and secondly if that were the case then all the Impious of the Djinn that exist would have the bulk of infirmities in existance but they don't. Unfortunately. One doesn't expect piouty from the impious of the Djinn but one does expect better from Humans that are able including myself. The difference is that Man has the choice to do better because they were created perfect and then were forgiven even after Adam and Eve sinned and fell from grace and repented Allah S.W.T. forgave them, gave them there bounds incl repentance if man remains wihin them you'll be fine. What I'm saying is that Allah S.W.T. forgave Adam and Eve because they made a genuine mistake but they still suffered (to a lesser degree) and were thrown out of Eden because they had sinned. KH was a great, kind and good king (I grew up loving him for it) I wont take that from him hence I cried and deemed an injustice when he contracted Cancer and always asked myself why he was such a good king. So before you look to give a 'dressing down' ask what the person meant by their remarks before going all out on them! This is not an ISLAMIC and MORALISTIC lecture but CERTAIN misconceptions had to be removed. |
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08-03-2005, 01:28 AM
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Nobody Deserves Cancer, That Is A Cruel Thing To Say
Roshannah, you go on about how people are this and that etc but take a look at yourself. From your insane comments about Australians to wishing cancer on people is downright stupid. I am embarrassed for you. Last edited by Australian : 08-03-2005 at 01:35 AM. |
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08-03-2005, 01:58 AM
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Roshanah you can attempt to backpaddle and "explain" yourself all you want but the one thing I noticed about you from the beginning, from your first posts months ago, is that your comments are judgemental and sanctimonious. You lecture others all you want but cant take one critical comment. Your comments regarding King Hussein's cancer are crystal clear. If you didnt want others condemning such outragous remarks then maybe you shouldn't have made them in the first place.
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08-03-2005, 02:20 AM
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08-03-2005, 02:54 AM
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[quote=~*~Humera~*~]Roshanah you can attempt to backpaddle and "explain" yourself all you want but the one thing I noticed about you from the beginning, from your first posts months ago, is that your comments are judgemental and sanctimonious. You lecture others all you want but cant take one critical comment. Your comments regarding King Hussein's cancer are crystal clear. If you didnt want others condemning such outragous remarks then maybe you shouldn't have made them in the first place.[/QUOTE}
I can take criticism and more than you can imagine, just not ones that aren't true. I don't criticise anyone just like that. It's not like I just sit there and go oh I want to make enemies and criticise every one. You said that you'd noticed abot my comments from the start that I'm such and such. That means that you yourslef were judging me. Think what yo want about me I don't care. I explained myself and even said what I said. But you can't say that some of the posts that I've placed were neither misread or mis-interpreted. About the King Hussein Issue as I said my late Grandfather died a few months ago of Cancer and I didn't wish it on him how many times must I say that? and wouldn't on anyone else for that matter. Now you say that I'm judgemental and sanctimonious. Whenever I've said something wrong I've immediately appologised and and stated that no offence was meant. Also if you'd read my posts as you said, you would have know that MOST of my statements have been retaliatory and not instigatory. You say that I'm sactimonious apart from the areas that you've mentioned go and give me other examples of posts that I've placed where you deem this has been aparent. Now you can't say that I can't take criticism. If you read the post I by no means said that I was perfect and that I didn't have faults. I also said I claim to be no more than I am, A human being whom in the pst of course had made mistakes but tries her best to make as little mistake as possible in the future. |
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08-03-2005, 02:59 AM
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