Jordanian Royal Family and Money

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by Angie

Yeah the Haya bashing is really mean spirited but people are entitle to their opinions.

Opinions are fine but bashing is not. It is clearly written in the posting guidelines for this forum:

"there is to be no "bashing" of any individual, royal or otherwise, on this board and no "bashing" of fellow members for their views.
Despite earlier requests as members to not bash individuals such as Mary Donaldson nothing seems to have changed and therefore we are ma it a rule that if anyone says nasty and very unkind things about someone then their post will be removed completely.
In the course of discussion about any public individual, please stick to published facts or statements, not unkind rumours."

It is up to the moderators to be on top of things. I am astounded how they let some members behave and bash the JRF, particularly Abdullah, Rania and Haya. It needs to be controlled more, especially since some posters have resorted to slander. Not acceptable IMO. Moderators please take note!

[Lyonnaise]

Noted. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Balqis

Opinions are fine but bashing is not. It is clearly written in the posting guidelines for this forum:

"there is to be no "bashing" of any individual, royal or otherwise, on this board and no "bashing" of fellow members for their views.
Despite earlier requests as members to not bash individuals such as Mary Donaldson nothing seems to have changed and therefore we are ma it a rule that if anyone says nasty and very unkind things about someone then their post will be removed completely.
In the course of discussion about any public individual, please stick to published facts or statements, not unkind rumours."

It is up to the moderators to be on top of things. I am astounded how they let some members behave and bash the JRF, particularly Abdullah, Rania and Haya. It needs to be controlled more, especially since some posters have resorted to slander. Not acceptable IMO. Moderators please take note!

[Angie]

Originally Posted by Balqis

It is up to the moderators to be on top of things. I am astounded how they let some members behave and bash the JRF, particularly Abdullah, Rania and Haya. It needs to be controlled more, especially since some posters have resorted to slander. Not acceptable IMO. Moderators please take note!

Maybe things will change from now on. The bashing has been going on since I started visiting the forums and I been coming here since last year.

[matesha]

I am new here..and we are already talkiiiiiiiing censor of opinions :o...my first post in the ME forum is here:
It is obvious to me from:
- the size of jordan
- its very limited resources
- its population
- its "economy" and its history
- the so many numbers of the "royal family"
- abdellah who spends most of his time abroad (he was called like his father "kiiiiiiiiiing by correspondence"
- the way his wife rania dresses
- the luxious vacation they have (for example)
(from a post by Alisa in royal blue forum (Mary's forum): Alisa said"
"while back I watched a program on the Travel on the most luxurious hotels in world..A Swiss hotel and it's suites was featured.The announcer mentioned that the hotel has also hosted a few top officials including royalty. According to the announcer, certain royal queen spent a few days in the hotel with entourage of bodyguards and assistants. The cost of the suite was a reportedly $33,000 USD a night.

This queen was...........................................................Queen Rania of Jordan." ) [end of quote]

==> Given all the above, KA and his wife can't afford what they are spending based ONLY on their "private money"..Something else is going on there...

As for haya, she chooses her mo...that's her life..she has the right to secure it....

Finally, when you are a public figure....you are exposed to all opinions: positive and negative and those who like a certain public figure will obviously get mad with those of negative opinions of that figure..OTHERWISE...there will be no board like this one and it will be monotonous....

Good night,

[Angie]

Originally Posted by matesha

I am new here..and we are already talkiiiiiiiing censor of opinions :o...

Finally, when you are a public figure....you are exposed to all opinions: positive and negative and those who like a certain public figure will obviously get mad with those of negative opinions of that figure..OTHERWISE...there will be no board like this one and it will be monotonous....

Good night,

I hope no one gets censored! I like the fact that this is not an "I love the royal family forum".

Matesha I agree with everything you had to say.

[sommone]

I think the point is being missed...No one said that negative things couldn't be said because as I stated before there are royals that I am not necessarily fond of myself, but I don't go around bashing them. In fact, I say what I have to say whether it is positive or negative...but I don't go into an all out bash fest. Some people just take things way too far, but I try not to say much about it because when you call someone on it, they accuse you of taking away their rights to voice their opinions. So, I just don't say anything unless someone makes a post in relation to something that I have posted. I also may reply to something someone else has posted, but I don't intimidate anyone, or tell them that they can't say whatever it is that they have said. I hope it is okay to voice negative opinions, but there is a difference between posting negative opinions and an all out bashing.

[sommone]

Originally Posted by Angie

Yeah the Haya bashing is really mean spirited but people are entitle to their opinions.

Hey I'm an advocate for people having the right to voice their opinions positive or negative...Entitle is my favorite word. It's the bashing that unnerves me.

[Angie]

Originally Posted by sommone

I think the point is being missed...No one said that negative things couldn't be said because as I stated before there are royals that I am not necessarily fond of myself, but I don't go around bashing them. In fact, I say what I have to say whether it is positive or negative...but I don't go into an all out bash fest. Some people just take things way too far, but I try not to say much about it because when you call someone on it, they accuse you of taking away their rights to voice their opinions. So, I just don't say anything unless someone makes a post in relation to something that I have posted. I also may reply to something someone else has posted, but I don't intimidate anyone, or tell them that they can't say whatever it is that they have said. I hope it is okay to voice negative opinions, but there is a difference between posting negative opinions and an all out bashing.

The point is not being missed, at least not with me. The problem here is that what some of us view as bashing others view as opinions.

I don't think anyone here is been intimidated for not agreeing with others! I haven't seen it.

[sommone]

Originally Posted by Angie

The point is not being missed, at least not with me. The problem here is that what some of us view as bashing others view as opinions.

I don't think anyone here is been intimidated for not agreeing with others! I haven't seen it.

Then there needs to be some form of boundary set when voicing negative comments. You are right, some people view some comments and bashing while others view them as opinions. For me, name calling is bashing. I'm not talking about calling someone a fat head or something of that nature...I'm talking down right nasty names, ok. Also, there have been instances where people on here felt intimidated to speak their minds for fear of getting jumped on verbally by other members for not agreeing with them about a certain royal. Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to turn into a "shiny, happy" royal board...I hope people will continue to be allowed to voice negative opinions, but within boundaries. Right now, people are overstepping them completely. I think that this should be a separate topic because basically we have strayed from discussing the Jordan Royal Family.

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by matesha

I am new here..and we are already talkiiiiiiiing censor of opinions :o...my first post in the ME forum is here:
It is obvious to me from:
- the size of jordan
- its very limited resources
- its population
- its "economy" and its history
- the so many numbers of the "royal family"
- abdellah who spends most of his time abroad (he was called like his father "kiiiiiiiiiing by correspondence"
- the way his wife rania dresses
- the luxious vacation they have (for example)
(from a post by Alisa in royal blue forum (Mary's forum): Alisa said"
"while back I watched a program on the Travel on the most luxurious hotels in world..A Swiss hotel and it's suites was featured.The announcer mentioned that the hotel has also hosted a few top officials including royalty. According to the announcer, certain royal queen spent a few days in the hotel with entourage of bodyguards and assistants. The cost of the suite was a reportedly $33,000 USD a night.

This queen was...........................................................Queen Rania of Jordan." ) [end of quote]

==> Given all the above, KA and his wife can't afford what they are spending based ONLY on their "private money"..Something else is going on there...

As for haya, she chooses her mo...that's her life..she has the right to secure it....

Finally, when you are a public figure....you are exposed to all opinions: positive and negative and those who like a certain public figure will obviously get mad with those of negative opinions of that figure..OTHERWISE...there will be no board like this one and it will be monotonous....

Good night,

Good and intelligent response, Matesha. The trouble with what you are saying is that you cannot prove a thing. Alluding to "something fishy" going on is just not good enough. You can discuss and talk about it ad nauseum and you still won't get anywhere. Untill you have evidence to back up your "feelings" it may be quite unfair to point fingers. No one wants censorship, but as I said earlier freedom of speech entails a little bit of responsiblity. You cannot say something about someone, especialy in the public eye, that is damaging to their good name.

The feeling I got from many many posters on this forum is the sheer and unnecessary negativity in regards to the JRF, not to mention the bashing. The discussion should be much more balanced AND monitored. (thanks Lyonnaise for your response above)

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by sommone

Then there needs to be some form of boundary set when voicing negative comments. You are right, some people view some comments and bashing while others view them as opinions. For me, name calling is bashing. I'm not talking about calling someone a fat head or something of that nature...I'm talking down right nasty names, ok. Also, there have been instances where people on here felt intimidated to speak their minds for fear of getting jumped on verbally by other members for not agreeing with them about a certain royal. Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to turn into a "shiny, happy" royal board...I hope people will continue to be allowed to voice negative opinions, but within boundaries. Right now, people are overstepping them completely. I think that this should be a separate topic because basically we have strayed from discussing the Jordan Royal Family.

I agree with what you have said, Sommone. Much clearer boundaries need to be set.

[Amoula]

Originally Posted by Balqis

I agree with what you have said, Sommone. Much clearer boundaries need to be set.

let me tell you something,I am a Jordanian and I consider myself loyal,but I found it so hard to stop people from spreading rumors about the RF,SOME poeple have this really bad image in their heads about them and If you are a Jordanian and living in Jordan you would understand what I mean..I tried for 5 years so far,people do believe rumors and they enjoy doing that,and I think the RF members are aware of the situation,they are famous and are very well known -let me say- all over the world,they were born famous and they have been raised on coping and ignoring the bad things they hear about their family (the lies they hear about them),they are human and they have feelings,I know for sure rumors can really affect their lives negatively,but they do realise at the ame time that there's nothing to be done to stop people from spreading rumors. people live to spread rumors i guess


Ps: Balqis,I really enjoyed reading you're posts,it's nice to have you here.

[Angie]

Originally Posted by sommone

Then there needs to be some form of boundary set when voicing negative comments. Also, there have been instances where people on here felt intimidated to speak their minds for fear of getting jumped on verbally by other members for not agreeing with them about a certain royal. Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to turn into a "shiny, happy" royal board...I hope people will continue to be allowed to voice negative opinions, but within boundaries. I think that this should be a separate topic because basically we have strayed from discussing the Jordan Royal Family.

Something should defenitevely(sp) be done if people feel intimidated for voicing their opinions!

We should keep this discussion in this thread, the way people will read it.

[Angie]

Originally Posted by Amoula

Ps: Balqis,I really enjoyed reading you're posts,it's nice to have you here.

It's nice having her here, she brings more balance to some of the topics.

[wittykitty]

In the opening chapters in the book "king Hussein: A life on the Edge" it mentions that the family did have financial problems during his childhood he had to sell his bicylce to his cousin Faisal. His grandfather was getting money from the British but not much comparions to the US but that changes when the US got involved and they wound up giving money to Transjordan by the time Hussein became King he was able to get $25 million( in 1950's dollars) in aid from then President Eisenhower one of the "conditons" was to help keep the county from getting "Red" =into a communist satallite state. I can't image what other moneys they got from the Saud family but as my freinds friend who is married to a guy from Amman he said if every penny 100% was invested in the back country( like it should have been all along) it would be in much better shape that it is right now. But once you shave a million here and a million there in the meanwhile local citizens don't know you got the money to begin with it's very tempting, and very hard to stop... ( Free Mney is free money) and if you need to put up a (false)face that your a successul king and modern it's one heck of a can of worms.....
Wittykitty

[matesha]

Originally Posted by Balqis

Good and intelligent response, Matesha. The trouble with what you are saying is that you cannot prove a thing. Alluding to "something fishy" going on is just not good enough. You can discuss and talk about it ad nauseum and you still won't get anywhere. Untill you have evidence to back up your "feelings" it may be quite unfair to point fingers. No one wants censorship, but as I said earlier freedom of speech entails a little bit of responsiblity. You cannot say something about someone, especialy in the public eye, that is damaging to their good name.

The feeling I got from many many posters on this forum is the sheer and unnecessary negativity in regards to the JRF, not to mention the bashing. The discussion should be much more balanced AND monitored. (thanks Lyonnaise for your response above)

Well, to have a proof and to be 100% correct, One has to live PERSONALY day and night with the royal family or any public figure. By common sense, this is impossible..

Even in daily life, not all the knowledge we acquire about any thing or any body, we get it directly by ourselves...the responsility we have then is to make sure how much correct is that knowledge...how to search for this correctness, you need to triangulate many sources of information and to look for patterns

" If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them." [end of quote]

It is good that you want to bring balance to the discussion about your favorite family NOT MATTER WHAT even if yourself you do not present proofs to counter other's arguments..and instead of bringing some evidence as you love to call it, you ask people to present their proofs...why don't you do the opposite...i guess it will be more poweful..


PS: In a previous post of yours, you yourself you do not know personaly the family...I personally do not know this "jordanian" family either, nor do I know personally any royal family in the whole board...but this does not mean that I necessarily have to say negative things about them..On the other hands, acts, behaviors, the country's history, the history of a given royal family are indicators among other things..

Now, how accepting and objective one wants to be depends on his/her attitude and his/her ability of perception...

Oh!...interesting...spot on natesha

[matesha]

thanks...by the way, i am matesha not natesha

[papillon]

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