Jordanian Royal Family and Money

[sommone]

Originally Posted by Angie

The point is not being missed, at least not with me. The problem here is that what some of us view as bashing others view as opinions.

I don't think anyone here is been intimidated for not agreeing with others! I haven't seen it.

Then there needs to be some form of boundary set when voicing negative comments. You are right, some people view some comments and bashing while others view them as opinions. For me, name calling is bashing. I'm not talking about calling someone a fat head or something of that nature...I'm talking down right nasty names, ok. Also, there have been instances where people on here felt intimidated to speak their minds for fear of getting jumped on verbally by other members for not agreeing with them about a certain royal. Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to turn into a "shiny, happy" royal board...I hope people will continue to be allowed to voice negative opinions, but within boundaries. Right now, people are overstepping them completely. I think that this should be a separate topic because basically we have strayed from discussing the Jordan Royal Family.

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by matesha

I am new here..and we are already talkiiiiiiiing censor of opinions :o...my first post in the ME forum is here:
It is obvious to me from:
- the size of jordan
- its very limited resources
- its population
- its "economy" and its history
- the so many numbers of the "royal family"
- abdellah who spends most of his time abroad (he was called like his father "kiiiiiiiiiing by correspondence"
- the way his wife rania dresses
- the luxious vacation they have (for example)
(from a post by Alisa in royal blue forum (Mary's forum): Alisa said"
"while back I watched a program on the Travel on the most luxurious hotels in world..A Swiss hotel and it's suites was featured.The announcer mentioned that the hotel has also hosted a few top officials including royalty. According to the announcer, certain royal queen spent a few days in the hotel with entourage of bodyguards and assistants. The cost of the suite was a reportedly $33,000 USD a night.

This queen was...........................................................Queen Rania of Jordan." ) [end of quote]

==> Given all the above, KA and his wife can't afford what they are spending based ONLY on their "private money"..Something else is going on there...

As for haya, she chooses her mo...that's her life..she has the right to secure it....

Finally, when you are a public figure....you are exposed to all opinions: positive and negative and those who like a certain public figure will obviously get mad with those of negative opinions of that figure..OTHERWISE...there will be no board like this one and it will be monotonous....

Good night,

Good and intelligent response, Matesha. The trouble with what you are saying is that you cannot prove a thing. Alluding to "something fishy" going on is just not good enough. You can discuss and talk about it ad nauseum and you still won't get anywhere. Untill you have evidence to back up your "feelings" it may be quite unfair to point fingers. No one wants censorship, but as I said earlier freedom of speech entails a little bit of responsiblity. You cannot say something about someone, especialy in the public eye, that is damaging to their good name.

The feeling I got from many many posters on this forum is the sheer and unnecessary negativity in regards to the JRF, not to mention the bashing. The discussion should be much more balanced AND monitored. (thanks Lyonnaise for your response above)

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by sommone

Then there needs to be some form of boundary set when voicing negative comments. You are right, some people view some comments and bashing while others view them as opinions. For me, name calling is bashing. I'm not talking about calling someone a fat head or something of that nature...I'm talking down right nasty names, ok. Also, there have been instances where people on here felt intimidated to speak their minds for fear of getting jumped on verbally by other members for not agreeing with them about a certain royal. Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to turn into a "shiny, happy" royal board...I hope people will continue to be allowed to voice negative opinions, but within boundaries. Right now, people are overstepping them completely. I think that this should be a separate topic because basically we have strayed from discussing the Jordan Royal Family.

I agree with what you have said, Sommone. Much clearer boundaries need to be set.

[Amoula]

Originally Posted by Balqis

I agree with what you have said, Sommone. Much clearer boundaries need to be set.

let me tell you something,I am a Jordanian and I consider myself loyal,but I found it so hard to stop people from spreading rumors about the RF,SOME poeple have this really bad image in their heads about them and If you are a Jordanian and living in Jordan you would understand what I mean..I tried for 5 years so far,people do believe rumors and they enjoy doing that,and I think the RF members are aware of the situation,they are famous and are very well known -let me say- all over the world,they were born famous and they have been raised on coping and ignoring the bad things they hear about their family (the lies they hear about them),they are human and they have feelings,I know for sure rumors can really affect their lives negatively,but they do realise at the ame time that there's nothing to be done to stop people from spreading rumors. people live to spread rumors i guess


Ps: Balqis,I really enjoyed reading you're posts,it's nice to have you here.

[Angie]

Originally Posted by sommone

Then there needs to be some form of boundary set when voicing negative comments. Also, there have been instances where people on here felt intimidated to speak their minds for fear of getting jumped on verbally by other members for not agreeing with them about a certain royal. Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to turn into a "shiny, happy" royal board...I hope people will continue to be allowed to voice negative opinions, but within boundaries. I think that this should be a separate topic because basically we have strayed from discussing the Jordan Royal Family.

Something should defenitevely(sp) be done if people feel intimidated for voicing their opinions!

We should keep this discussion in this thread, the way people will read it.

[Angie]

Originally Posted by Amoula

Ps: Balqis,I really enjoyed reading you're posts,it's nice to have you here.

It's nice having her here, she brings more balance to some of the topics.

[wittykitty]

In the opening chapters in the book "king Hussein: A life on the Edge" it mentions that the family did have financial problems during his childhood he had to sell his bicylce to his cousin Faisal. His grandfather was getting money from the British but not much comparions to the US but that changes when the US got involved and they wound up giving money to Transjordan by the time Hussein became King he was able to get $25 million( in 1950's dollars) in aid from then President Eisenhower one of the "conditons" was to help keep the county from getting "Red" =into a communist satallite state. I can't image what other moneys they got from the Saud family but as my freinds friend who is married to a guy from Amman he said if every penny 100% was invested in the back country( like it should have been all along) it would be in much better shape that it is right now. But once you shave a million here and a million there in the meanwhile local citizens don't know you got the money to begin with it's very tempting, and very hard to stop... ( Free Mney is free money) and if you need to put up a (false)face that your a successul king and modern it's one heck of a can of worms.....
Wittykitty

[matesha]

Originally Posted by Balqis

Good and intelligent response, Matesha. The trouble with what you are saying is that you cannot prove a thing. Alluding to "something fishy" going on is just not good enough. You can discuss and talk about it ad nauseum and you still won't get anywhere. Untill you have evidence to back up your "feelings" it may be quite unfair to point fingers. No one wants censorship, but as I said earlier freedom of speech entails a little bit of responsiblity. You cannot say something about someone, especialy in the public eye, that is damaging to their good name.

The feeling I got from many many posters on this forum is the sheer and unnecessary negativity in regards to the JRF, not to mention the bashing. The discussion should be much more balanced AND monitored. (thanks Lyonnaise for your response above)

Well, to have a proof and to be 100% correct, One has to live PERSONALY day and night with the royal family or any public figure. By common sense, this is impossible..

Even in daily life, not all the knowledge we acquire about any thing or any body, we get it directly by ourselves...the responsility we have then is to make sure how much correct is that knowledge...how to search for this correctness, you need to triangulate many sources of information and to look for patterns

" If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them." [end of quote]

It is good that you want to bring balance to the discussion about your favorite family NOT MATTER WHAT even if yourself you do not present proofs to counter other's arguments..and instead of bringing some evidence as you love to call it, you ask people to present their proofs...why don't you do the opposite...i guess it will be more poweful..


PS: In a previous post of yours, you yourself you do not know personaly the family...I personally do not know this "jordanian" family either, nor do I know personally any royal family in the whole board...but this does not mean that I necessarily have to say negative things about them..On the other hands, acts, behaviors, the country's history, the history of a given royal family are indicators among other things..

Now, how accepting and objective one wants to be depends on his/her attitude and his/her ability of perception...

Oh!...interesting...spot on natesha

[matesha]

thanks...by the way, i am matesha not natesha

[papillon]

[quote=Angie]I hope no one gets censored! I like the fact that this is not an "I love the royal family forum".

Me, too. If we have to prove everything we are about to write is true before we can post, very few people will want to gather here. What would be the point? This is a discussion board, not a court of law. One person's bashing is another's expression of opinion and wonderment and thinking out loud. I think we have to strike a balance between what's grating to the overly sensitive and what to most is rude and utterly crass.

[matesha]

I agree with you........

[papillon]

Originally Posted by matesha

I agree with you........

Thank you!

[Angie]

Originally Posted by matesha

Well, to have a proof and to be 100% correct, One has to live PERSONALY day and night with the royal family or any public figure. By common sense, this is impossible..

Even in daily life, not all the knowledge we acquire about any thing or any body, we get it directly by ourselves...the responsility we have then is to make sure how much correct is that knowledge...how to search for this correctness, you need to triangulate many sources of information and to look for patterns

" If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them." [end of quote]

It is good that you want to bring balance to the discussion about your favorite family NOT MATTER WHAT even if yourself you do not present proofs to counter other's arguments..and instead of bringing some evidence as you love to call it, you ask people to present their proofs...why don't you do the opposite...i guess it will be more poweful..


PS: In a previous post of yours, you yourself you do not know personaly the family...I personally do not know this "jordanian" family either, nor do I know personally any royal family in the whole board...but this does not mean that I necessarily have to say negative things about them..On the other hands, acts, behaviors, the country's history, the history of a given royal family are indicators among other things..

Now, how accepting and objective one wants to be depends on his/her attitude and his/her ability of perception...

Very well said Matesha!

[Angie]

[quote=papillon]

Originally Posted by Angie

I hope no one gets censored! I like the fact that this is not an "I love the royal family forum".

This is a discussion board, not a court of law. One person's bashing is another's expression of opinion and wonderment and thinking out loud.

Exactly, this is not a court of law. I may not agree with everything said but it's their opinion.

[Angie]

Originally Posted by Balqis

The trouble with what you are saying is that you cannot prove a thing.

Can you prove that what's being said here is false?

[matesha]

Originally Posted by Angie

Very well said Matesha!

Thank you Angie...

[sommone]

[quote=papillon]

Originally Posted by Angie

I hope no one gets censored! I like the fact that this is not an "I love the royal family forum".

Me, too. If we have to prove everything we are about to write is true before we can post, very few people will want to gather here. What would be the point? This is a discussion board, not a court of law. One person's bashing is another's expression of opinion and wonderment and thinking out loud. I think we have to strike a balance between what's grating to the overly sensitive and what to most is rude and utterly crass.

That is why I suggested boundaries should be set when posting negative opinions. I don't about anyone one else, but some people have gone way to far with making negative comments, and for me that is not called for.

[sommone]

Originally Posted by Angie

Something should defenitevely(sp) be done if people feel intimidated for voicing their opinions!

We should keep this discussion in this thread, the way people will read it.

I suggested a separate topic because pretty soon one of the moderators will be coming through and reading this to find that we have strayed from the topic in which giving us a warning about staying on topic, or run the risk of it being closed, but whatever...if the moderators don't say anything, then maybe I shouldn't.

[sommone]

Also, the moderators for this forum have said that in the posting guidelines, there should be no bashing of royals or members, so with that said, members can continue to bash, but at your own risk.