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#161
08-21-2004, 04:52 AM
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And can't wait to tackle this beauty: Why in the world would you think I would play "psychological games" with you, Humble? That's total lunacy. I have presented my arguments clearly, but alas it's too much for some of you to handle. You would rather be b--ching your pants off about Queen Rania's spending habits. If that's the worst of her "crimes" that you can come up with, then let me say it's very sad. She's done so much for the Arab region and the Middle East, why say such negative things about her, why slander her? I think it might be because she is such a powerful figure, seeing her in her full beauty and radiance is too much for some. Note to Amoula: I don't know how you've done it for five years trying to defend the JRF and in your small way correct the nasty rumours out there. You should be congratulated. I've been posting for a few days and I am sick to my teeth of this nonsense. Note to those who still believe in Queen Rania: Remember BALANCE is ALL in a Forum like this where opinions can so easily hurt someone's good name and change the perception of newcomers who just might fall for the lies. Even a little message helps. Last edited by Balqis; 08-21-2004 at 04:55 AM. 
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#162
08-21-2004, 06:30 AM
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#163
08-21-2004, 09:19 AM
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Elie Saab: His fashion career has been helped enormously by the patronage of Queen Rania. She single-handedly made him a well-known name in the West.
Actually, it was the Halle Berry dress that made him known in the West. Before that fashion insiders knew of him but he was not 'known'.
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#164
08-21-2004, 09:27 AM
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I would like to say that I have posted about 5 comments on this very topic relating TO THE TOPIC and you, Balqis, just go off the rails everytime. Stay to the topic. Instead of attacking everyone, attack what they say. You have yet to actually DISCUSS the topic at hand.
Oh...and don't start that QR has done so much for the ME region crap. She has done squat. She might have started (or continued) some small projects that have been successful in Jordan and all props to her. But she does not carry enough weight within the region to affect change. The people on the street are VERY clever and take the words coming out of a designer dressed queen as window dresssing when they KNOW the reality of the situation in Jordan is absolutely dire. Quote:
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#165
08-21-2004, 10:10 AM
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Point 1: Regarding Queen Rania... Would someone with no great depth of character and intellectual capacity be able to hold her own in a room full of economists, for example? Or be able to convey and articulate herself when defending Islam in wake of 9/11? The shallow impression of Rania you seem to have only shows the shallowness you possess, Ipi Tombe. Response: None Point 2: Ipe Tombe: nobody has alleged that the JRF has skimmed Aid funds. Me: Yes they have. Have you even read this entire thread, Ipi Tombe? Check out the quote below: Quote: Originally Posted by QueenB Yes, we should take care of home first.. but the until the Countries giving the JRF funds start to question and take a long hard look at where all that money is going - it will continue to go to palaces and couture, stylists, jewels, publicity, vacations, etc..  Me again: There are others alluding to the same thing on page 1. Response: None here. The same comment just now by you in the King Abdullah and Queen Rania thread. Do you actually read my replies to you???? Point 3: Regarding business transactions in the UAE... Me: That's right, Ipi Tombe, you don't know how business is done in Jordan. Your suspicions that JRF might be sponsors for businesses is unfounded. What members of the family are you now concentrating on? Do you think King Abdullah and Queen Rania are these sponsors? Is that how they are able to afford the "lifestyle" you suggested? Response: None Point 4: Regarding the "Big Lie". This was a point made to everyone UFO Goddess actually pointed out something very interesting, and that is the technique of the "Big Lie", which you and the other accusers here employ so well. All of these articles, threads and commentary which "seem" to support your accusations are merely the Big Lie technique at work. By repeating the same accusations, none of which are actually supported by real facts, and then continuing the refrain by merely referring to other repetitions, the whole entire series of attacks seem to support each other. BUT they do NOT. All that this tell us is that all of you are very good at agreeing with each other. None of this comes even close to a burden of proof against the King and Queen. Until you present something aside from similar unfounded Big Lie refrains, I and other sane fact-oriented people have absolutely no obligation to do anything except expose the Big Lie for what it is. Response: Bunch of nonsense from Angie. This is the quote "The Big Lie", this discussion is now becoming comical. Quote:
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#166
08-21-2004, 10:27 AM
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Sorry, Balqis....really, I am. I couldn't figure out the response from your usual blah blah....
So I will respond now.. Again sorry.... Quote:
Last edited by Ipi Tombe; 08-21-2004 at 06:40 PM.
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#167
08-21-2004, 11:33 AM
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To Balqis.
I tried my best,but I realized that it's impossible to please everyone,people have different point of views and people love to believe rumors as I previously mentioned,I had a very hard time to be honest,I remember I was still in school and people would tell me that I'm still too young to understand what their saying and sometimes really hurt my feelings with some stupid comments. So Balqis,"da3 al makhlouk lel khalek",and trust me let them stick to their views cause deep down inside,you,me and alot of other people know the truth and know that what has been said is nonsense.
Everyone is entitled to their own openion and only those who have sick minds will believe what has been said. (Excuse me,didn't mean anyone in particular) With love, Amoula. Note to Amoula: I don't know how you've done it for five years trying to defend the JRF and in your small way correct the nasty rumours out there. You should be congratulated. I've been posting for a few days and I am sick to my teeth of this nonsense.
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#168
08-21-2004, 12:12 PM
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Ok, first of all, not most QR's outfits are free.. many designers have stated publicly that they do not give away outfits as they used to before - and we're talking about the biggest stars seen ALL around the world.
Secondly, it was mentioned about two weeks ago - I can't remember if it was on videofashion or some other show, that not many people outside the ME knew Elie Saab until HALLE BERRY wore him to the Oscars. Suddenly all the top magazines and celebrities were sitting at his shows - shows that no matter how beautiful his clothes are, which they are - you couldn't get those people to his shows. Before Halle wore Elie, I'd heard he dressed QR and it had been mentioned on shows like Full Frontal Fashion that he dressed her, but no one seemed to be excited about him until Halle. About her bills - yeah like QR and KA would ever make their bills public. In a Nation where $100 can launch a business - spending thousands on a pair of shoes wouldn't be good PR. Also, QR and KA putting themselves out there and courting the publicity is one thing, but they court it by touting themselves as modern, down to earth leaders, in touch with the real problems of Jordan and the region. Which is completely contradictory to their constant spending.. Also flaunting what they buy to people in very need of assistance is in bad taste. I do agree with what Humble, Ipi and Angie have said. I share the same opinions. And I want to add that, yes this discussion is about QR/KA - but in reference to QN/KH - when you go around claiming to be in touch with the needs of the poor - and make it a point that press coverage constantly include how 'aware' and how 'concerned' you are about the average person on the street - but your behavior - i.e. frivolous spending - proves otherwise - then you do open yourself up to criticism... as a matter of fact, what journalists of the world should do is instead of wondering what Gucci collection QR's skirt came from - they should start investigating where the money for that very skirt came from.. the story would be a lot more interesting.. but of course, Jordanians would never hear about it as the government controls the press.... but for the rest of us sick of listening to KA and QR come to our country and beg for aid - it would make for some insightful reading.. who knows, maybe that expose would prove what UFO and Balqis have been saying - and people will no longer believe the 'high school' like rumors being spread about the JRF.... and we can all go on thinking that the aid money is actually going to where it was intended... :) Quote:
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#169
08-21-2004, 12:14 PM
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I meant to say did not know Elie Saab outside of the ME and parts of Europe until Halle wore him to the Oscars.
"show, that not many people outside the ME knew Elie Saab until HALLE BERRY wore him to the Oscars. Suddenly all the top magazines and celebrities were sitting at his shows - shows that no matter how beautiful his clothes are, which they are - you couldn't get those people to his shows. Before Halle wore Elie, I'd heard he dressed QR and it had been mentioned on shows like Full Frontal Fashion that he dressed her, but no one seemed to be excited about him until Halle."
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#170
08-21-2004, 04:28 PM
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It was an open secret in Jordan that the late king regularly received generous financial help from several friendly governments. This money was intended to both support his personal life style and to enable him to fulfill his 'patriarchal' duties. Huge sums of aid money came into Jordan during the seventies and eighties, mainly from Germany, Japan and Taiwan. P. Hassan, who was largely responsible for the dispensation of these funds, became a byword for fianancial integrity amongst these donor countries because of the scrupulous way in which he monitored the utilisation of the funds. Although undoubtedly there were those amongst the great and the good who took commissions and kickbacks on companies and industries coming into the country, this was certainly not an accepted nor condoned practice. P. Hassan and his advisors having decided the direction of a certain economical policy, and having set the criteria, made a point of distancing themselves from the actual decision making processes by which contracts etc were awarded. In the early days, a few naive CEO's who tried to approach the prince with offers of commissons learnt that in his case this was certainly not the way to win friends and influence people, rather to the contrary. This patriarchal role, although understandable in a country without a functioning welfare state, was one of the main reasons why P. Hassan was so desperate to push for the creation of civil society and its attendent insitutions in Jordan, as he felt it was the only way forward out of what he regarded as a medieval system of patronage, with all the ills that this sort of society fosters. Unfortunately he was not well supported by many of the few who enjoy the perks and privileges that such a system inevitably lends itself to.
I believe that things have changed somewhat in Jordan today. Although I believe there is still a certain degree of outright fianancial support for the king from outside the country, there are also several members of the royal family who do follow similar practices to those outlined by Ipi Tombi, as well as royal in laws and royal best friends.
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#171
08-21-2004, 04:57 PM
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Indeed, the Big Lie theory is interesting per se. But as serious an accusation it may be, I wouldn't dismiss a speculation raised due to/based on the dire status quo of Jordan and provided that they are heavily dependent on foreign aid and the very much 'hyped' contradictory image of the 'powerful' Royal couple/family as unfounded and baseless. To say that they are not that sort of people or incapable of doing that without knowing them personally is too paltry an excuse. I, too, would like to know where the aid money goes and how it is disposed and I don't think that's too much to ask for. Unfortunately, even if it was true, no proof or facts and figures should be expected in a country where the media is so tightly controlled and further tightened up by the Western educated and half British absolute monarch who's considered more pro-Western and liberal than his Crescent counterparts. No offence meant to those that love Abdullah, but I wish to see Abdullah focusing his 'absolute' power on averting honour killings and similar issues, that they so often voice objections to - and Abdullahs lone infinite saying in implementing new laws has already been discussed in various threads - instead of regulating freedom of speech for the benefit of him and/or his family. Just imposing such a law to throw a person in jail for 3 years from what was 'mere' fine for criticizing him and Rania, at a time many Middle Eastern leaders are working on giving their journalists greater freedom (I'm referring to the Qatari Emir in particular), just sends the wrong message! Where is the priority? However, I don't know where this discussion may lead us and I'm afraid there's not much we can do about it anyways. Last edited by La la; 08-21-2004 at 06:17 PM.
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#172
08-21-2004, 05:01 PM
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08-21-2004, 05:18 PM
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08-21-2004, 06:35 PM
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However to stay on topic, you have not addressed Points 2,3 and 4.
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