Jordanian Royal Family and Money

[QueenB]

You know what, I have the right to say what I want and how I want. I am not slandering anyone or bitching about anything or angry or spewing forth any of the bull you mentioned. I shared my opinion and my opinions are not worthless assumptions. That's that. So don't even start with that crap.
And as far as them spending with their own money. Please - unless the King and Queen of Jordan got a second job to make money, I doubt it's all their personal money they are spending. Even KH before his death acknowledged that he had financial debts that his Arab and other friends were helping him pay off.
Disagree fine. We all agree to disagree...

Originally Posted by UFO Goddess

Since you don't know where the aid money goes exactly, and whether or not the King and Queen's cars or outfits are bought with private cash, your anger is as futile and pitiful as your objections. How about making some kind of statements based on facts, instead of your worthless assumptions?


What a bunch of shallow nonsense you are spitting forth! Do you have anything to say that is actually factual, or are you just going to bitch about things that are unproven and unfounded? Does the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" mean anything to you? Just because you assume that the aid money is being abused doesn't make it true. How would you like it if someone accused you of such a thing for no good reason? Are you inside the Jordan Royal palace? Have you seen diverted funds going to the purchase of cars? Do you even know what the hell you are blathering about?

[QueenB]

Once again, another, 'if you don't love Queen Rania and question where she gets her funds, then you must be jealous' nonsense. Grow up. Any criticism about Queen Rania isn't jealousy about how she looks. You're on the wrong thread - you want to talk about people hating Rania for her beauty, you should have gone to the thread on who is the most attractive or least attractive royal - can't remember the name - but that's where you should be posting your 'everyone is jealous of Rania' comments. Because this thread is about having civilized discussions about just where we think the money the entire family spends comes from...
And Rania isn't the only one being criticized. So then, does that mean people are also jealous of Abdullah? Pleeeeease....

Originally Posted by UFO Goddess

Now there is someone with sense, finally! Reading these cranky hen-fests was starting to make me think that this board has nothing but nonsense in the place of true argument. You are absolutely right, Balqis- unless there is some kind of hard evidence, a real paper trail that is definitive, this type of slander is not just irresponsible, it is dangerous. But then again, some crass dolt sitting in America who resents the hell out of Queen Rania for purely selfihs, jealous, and petty reasons doesn't have to think or act responsibly. All these hens have to do is repeat an unfounded allegation enough times and they can convince many people that it "is" true. This technique of the Big Lie worked well for Hitler, why not for them?


And it also shows the lack of truth in the minds of those who make such unfounded, unwarranted, and completely lame accusations. Just because Queen Rania wears the most beautiful clothes in the world doesn't mean that she is stealing aid money to do so. But if her beauty and grace make fill your mind with envy and anger, then of course, like those here on this board, you will attack her in any irresponsible way possible. And if you can get a hen-fest of likeminded dolts totgethe, well the entire thing can appear true even when it is nothing but a bunch of hot air.

[QueenB]

Exactly, Ipi Tombe, I completely agree with your post.
Queen Noor mentions time and time again about the financial state of the JRF - how King Hussein had to sell lands to raise funds, how others had to help them out, which was a source of great anguish for the King as he did not know how he was going to pay them back.. even in the letter before his death - which was on this thread somewhere - the King talks about those who helped him pay off his debts.

Originally Posted by Ipi Tombe

I would like to state from the get go that I know NOTHING about the financial situation of the JRF. But the remark 'absolute power corrupts absolutely' could be trotted out right now for debate.

I don't think KA and QR sit around rubbing their hands in glee while siphoning off cash that is supposed to be used to buy a hospital some disinfectant or lightbulbs so they can go stay in lavish hotel suites and buy designer clothes. However, the supposed 'wealth' of the JRF is greatly overstated, it seems. I also think what 1 person considers wealthy, another considers modest. Let's face it, Warren Buffet or Prince Al Waled is not ringing any of us up and asking for advice-so what do we really know about high finance? Also, there have many 'stories' over the years that makes it appear that the JRF are not nearly as wealthy as they would like. One of the overiding themes of QN's book is that the family seemed to have severe housing issues which could have been easily remedied if they had a little bit of cash. And whatever money the family did have 100, 50, 20 years ago is completely irrelevant today since the cash has been divided by an ever growing roster of family members.

On the other hand, I am constantly amused by the pics out of Petra with the 'designer queen' and the dowdy palaces and offices that were desperately in need of a renovation 10yrs ago. Oh....the recent pics of QN in Jackson Hole wearing traditional garb whereas QR goes to bedu encampments in designer clothes is a little comical to say the least. Those granny lampshades in PHaya' wedding pics were absolutley hysterical. My 80yr old mother in law has the EXACT SAME ones in her bedroom.

Okay, in summary (because I have gone on way too long). Yeah, KA & QR look good in their designer duds but take a closer look at those highly glossed images.....

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by QueenB

You know what, I have the right to say what I want and how I want. I am not slandering anyone or bitching about anything or angry or spewing forth any of the bull you mentioned. I shared my opinion and my opinions are not worthless assumptions. That's that. So don't even start with that crap.

You have a right to free speech, yes QueenB but you don't have a right to slander anyone. If you don't want to participate in a serious discussion and back up your allegations, why don't you start a new thread? You can call it "Slinging Mud: This is where we post unfounded accusations, come and join the fun and get your hands dirty"

Originally Posted by QueenB

And as far as them spending with their own money. Please - unless the King and Queen of Jordan got a second job to make money, I doubt it's all their personal money they are spending. Even KH before his death acknowledged that he had financial debts that his Arab and other friends were helping him pay off. Disagree fine. We all agree to disagree

That did not stop him having a pretty good lifestyle, now did it? Much the same as KA has now, skiing in Austria, holidaying in Majorca etc. It's just that the paparazzi weren't there to record it all. Anything better you can come up with to support your futile argument?

[QueenB]

Balqis, I am not slandering anyone or slinging mud. This is a serious discussion
and as for unfounded accusations - please - what proof do you have that it's actually their money they are spending? You talk so much about people slandering them and trashing them, whatever, and insulting people like Humble with wannabe disses because they disagree with you.
Since Rania and Abdullah are such pillars of society without a dishonest bone in their body, go ahead and post everything - every bit of so called 'proof' to support your own opinions. I am sure everyone on this thread would read through it and make up their own minds. Prove to everyone here, who has said anything you deem 'false' about QR and KA - support your own unfounded accusations, instead of talking trash to other members you disagree with.

Originally Posted by Balqis

You have a right to free speech, yes QueenB but you don't have a right to slander anyone. If you don't want to participate in a serious discussion and back up your allegations, why don't you start a new thread? You can call it "Slinging Mud: This is where we post unfounded accusations, come and join the fun and get your hands dirty"



That did not stop him having a pretty good lifestyle, now did it? Much the same as KA has now.

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by QueenB

Balqis, I am not slandering anyone or slinging mud. This is a serious discussion
and as for unfounded accusations - please - what proof do you have that it's actually their money they are spending? You talk so much about people slandering them and trashing them, whatever, and insulting people like Humble with wannabe disses because they disagree with you.
Since Rania and Abdullah are such pillars of society without a dishonest bone in their body, go ahead and post everything - every bit of so called 'proof' to support your own opinions. I am sure everyone on this thread would read through it and make up their own minds. Prove to everyone here, who has said anything you deem 'false' about QR and KA - support your own unfounded accusations, instead of talking trash to other members you disagree with.

Have you read this, QueenB? UFO Goddess summed it up precisely:

Originally Posted by UFO Goddess

The burden of proof is on the accuser. If someone wants to make allegations about JRF abusing aid funds, then they- the accusers- are the ones who need to present evidence to make the case. The accused or those who do not agree with the accuser are not the ones who need to supply evidence. This is the basis of "innocent until proven guilty".

You are the accuser here, you must provide the proof, not I. Innocent until proven guilty.

[QueenB]

Oh please. How many articles have been posted on previous threads about them and their spending..... them and their income..... as a matter of fact, I'm sick of going back and forth on this issue. Both you and UFO Goddess, regardless of how much proof is presented, it's still not enough - or inaccurate somehow.

Originally Posted by Balqis

Have you read this, QueenB? UFO Goddess summed it up precisely:



You are the accuser here, you must provide the proof, not I. Innocent until proven guilty.

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by QueenB

Oh please. How many articles have been posted on previous threads about them and their spending..... them and their income..... as a matter of fact, I'm sick of going back and forth on this issue. Both you and UFO Goddess, regardless of how much proof is presented, it's still not enough - or inaccurate somehow.

UFO Goddess actually pointed out something very interesting, and that is the technique of the "Big Lie", which you and the other accusers here employ so well. All of these articles, threads and commentary which "seem" to support your accusations are merely the Big Lie technique at work. By repeating the same accusations, none of which are actually supported by real facts, and then continuing the refrain by merely referring to other repetitions, the whole entire series of attacks seem to support each other. BUT they do NOT. All that this tell us is that all of you are very good at agreeing with each other. None of this comes even close to a burden of proof against the King and Queen. Until you present something aside from similar unfounded Big Lie refrains, I and other sane fact-oriented people have absolutely no obligation to do anything except expose the Big Lie for what it is.

[QueenB]

As I said no amount of proof would suffice. Let's move on.

Originally Posted by Balqis

UFO Goddess actually pointed out something very interesting, and that is the technique of the "Big Lie", which you and the other accusers here employ so well. All of these articles, threads and commentary which "seem" to support your accusations are merely the Big Lie technique at work. By repeating the same accusations, none of which are actually supported by real facts, and then continuing the refrain by merely referring to other repetitions, the whole entire series of attacks seem to support each other. BUT they do NOT. All that this tell us is that all of you are very good at agreeing with each other. None of this comes even close to a burden of proof against the King and Queen. Until you present something aside from similar unfounded Big Lie refrains, I and other sane fact-oriented people have absolutely no obligation to do anything except expose the Big Lie for what it is.

[Angie]

"The Big Lie", this discussion is now becoming comical.

[Ipi Tombe]

Also has anyone noticed that no one in the JRF is as well coifed and expensively clothed as Rania. The men in the family look like middle managers at a bank. The other princesses dress very middle market department store. The palaces always look a little shabby and run down.

And it has been discussed on various other threads that what 'the rest of the world' sees of the JRF and what Jordan sees of the JRF are two totally different images.

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by Angie

"The Big Lie", this discussion is now becoming comical.

Yeah, Angie it's very "comical", especially when the "Big Lie" was used so successfully by Hitler.

[Angie]

Originally Posted by Balqis

Yeah, Angie it's very "comical", especially when the "Big Lie" was used so successfully by Hitler.

What does Hitler have to do with this discussion?

You make it it sound like were conspiring againts Rania and Abdullah!

[Balqis]

From the King Abdullah and Queen Rania News Thread

Originally Posted by Humble

Yes, they know how to talk and they dress nicely and so on..but knowing jordan's situation, their private money can't afford them to wear expensive designers' dresses (Rania), nor does it allow them to be constantly abroad in expensive hotels,not does it allow them to order expensive silvewear and so on...

Do you think the situation was different during King Hussein's reign? I have pointed out here that during the 80's Queen Noor was dressing in expensive designer outfits, the holiday destinations were similar etc. but then there wasn't the internet as there is now, less paparazzi, and Queen Noor didn't inspire the following that Queen Rania does now. You just see what you want to see, Humble.

Originally Posted by Humble

I can assure you..some one here will let me...What do U know about their private money...I would say it does not require a Phd to know that...read history, visit the country, follow its politics, know the country's history, the family's history and you will know...And if they happen to have such private big money, then I am really concerned about the source...

Well if you're so concerned then do something about it, otherwise what's the real point? Just talking about your concerns will have what effect, do you think on the big scheme of things? At the very most you will get a bunch of people on your side who might just b--ch about the so-called spending or resort to slandering the royal couple.

We are talking about Rania who is the current queen...It is "she" who puts herself under such criticism...if she loves the camera and the media, she has also to take the criticism...were she more discret, she would not have been under so much spot...(I am still saying she is pretty and elegant...that's all IMO)

Talking about my concern is my opinion..will it have an effect or not, i am NOT in organization or association or a court law to put my stated opinions on this board into practice and see if they have an effect...

In this board Balqis, we discuss, we extrapolate, we exchange opinions, we speculate......otherwise, there is no point..and the discussion will be "sterile"..
I do not look for people to back me up or to side me....but if they do, i do not mind...that shows i am not the only one with the same opinion...

[Balqis]

From the King Abdullah and Queen Rania News Thread

Originally Posted by Humble

For example:
The stolen items: read here how much their value is
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/79738.html
The dresses: she wears for example Giorgio Armani, Ellie Saab...search and you will find how much they cost..
The Gucci sunglasses, the designers bags..Not talking about the jewelery
(e.g. she has 2 tiaras..I am not talking about Haya's mother's tiara)...
Also, not to mention how often they fly ($$$), where they stay ($$$$), what they spend ($$$$) abroad, the cars...etc...etc...etc...
How much money do you think the jordanian governement give them? how much is their so called private wealth?
I am really concerned about the source of their money :O
something is going on...not a normal situation for someone coming from a poor country...If Rania or KA were coming from a family like Prince Waleed ben Talal or Prince Mo. Al Maktoum, then I would be convinced that what they spend is theirs...

It has been pointed out here in this Forum before (and conveniently ignored of course) that the majority of the Queen's outfits are free. It gives the designer enormous publicity that no money could buy if well-known individuals like Rania are seen in their outfits.
For example Giorgio Armani is someone who courts Hollywood actors, well-known sports identities etc. and dresses them. The publicity he receives for that is priceless.
Elie Saab: His fashion career has been helped enormously by the patronage of Queen Rania. She single-handedly made him a well-known name in the West. I am sure he does outfits for her for free if not at a much reduced cost. The prices you see online and in magazines are not necessarily the prices good clients of these designers end up paying. Really, show me the Queen's bills, Humble and then we can talk. Otherwise it's totally futile. You do not know how much she spends and since you have accused her of spending SOOOOOO much money then prove it. What you think you see, is well really quite biased.
P.S. God you are such a follower of the Queen, aren't you? If you dislike her so much why torture yourself? When I don't like someone in the public eye, the last thing I do is watch their every step, unless I enjoy seeing them trip for some sick reason.

[Angie]

Then Balqis why don't you prove that what's being said here is false? Go on, clear the poor woman's name.

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by Humble

We are talking about Rania who is the current queen...It is "she" who puts herself under such criticism...if she loves the camera and the media, she has also to take the criticism...were she more discret, she would not have been under so much spot...(I am still saying she is pretty and elegant...that's all IMO)

Talking about my concern is my opinion..will it have an effect or not, i am NOT in organization or association or a court law to put my stated opinions on this board into practice and see if they have an effect...

In this board Balqis, we discuss, we extrapolate, we exchange opinions, we speculate......otherwise, there is no point..and the discussion will be "sterile"..
I do not look for people to back me up or to side me....but if they do, i do not mind...that shows i am not the only one with the same opinion...

Well, Humble you are entitled to your "fun" to discuss, extrapolate all you like. Just don't make unfounded accusations. And please don't confuse true and serious discussion with what you and the others here have been doing here. It hasn't been balanced one iota. It's been negative rubbish that's about it.

Originally Posted by Balqis

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