Jordanian Royal Family and Money

[La la]

That's a billion dollar question.

[wymanda]

"In what may be our last couple weeks together"

What do you mean? I ain't going anywhere!

[Balqis]

I would watch what I say girls. Slander is a serious thing. To allude here and in other threads that aid from abroad is going into the private accounts of the Jordan Royal Family is a serious accusation. To accuse somone in the Arab world of stealing money is very offensive. If you have proof then that's another matter. Speculating in a totally unfounded way with no real evidence to back up what you say is very tricky.
The JRF have their own private wealth, accumulated way before King Abdullah II ascended to the throne. Most families in power in the Middle East have private wealth that has nothing to do with their country's wealth. Some flaunt their wealth in an extravagant way, some keep it very private. I think being descended from the Prophet Mohammed has given the Hashemites a profound sense of duty to the well-being of their subjects. It is part of their code of honour. To say that money meant for the poor is used to line their pockets, well what can I say? It's incredibly scandal-mongering, what a way to sling mud...

And if they are descendent of the prophet Mohamed, shouldn't they be the first to practice the religion (e.g. their women should wear Hijjab). We know how Jordan was created and for what reasons. We know that the country relies dramatically on foreign aids. Don't underestimate people on this board. There are many people who are well read, who have visited the country, who have ties with Jordan...and so on..Given how small the country is and knowing what the "resources" of the country are and knowing "Jordan" is a newly created country and based on other facts and reports, It is obvious from the way the family spends money that it is beyond its so called private wealth to be living the way they do now...

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by Humble

And if they are descendent of the prophet Mohamed, shouldn't they be the first to practice the religion (e.g. their women should wear Hijjab). We know how Jordan was created and for what reasons. We know that the country relies dramatically on foreign aids. Don't underestimate people on this board. There are many people who are well read, who have visited the country, who have ties with Jordan...and so on..Given how small the country is and knowing what the "resources" of the country are and knowing "Jordan" is a newly created country and based on other facts and reports, It is obvious from the way the family spends money that it is beyond its so called private wealth to be living the way they do now...

The wearing of hijab is a totally diferent matter, Humble. Let's not get sidetracked.
In regards to the topic, do you have proof, any real evidence for these serious allegations?????? No? So stick with what you know you can prove, which is nil. I am sick of people spreading lies. Freedom of speech does NOT equal slander.

[shelley]

[quote=Humble]And if they are descendent of the prophet Mohamed, shouldn't they be the first to practice the religion (e.g. their women should wear Hijjab).

The question of Hijab, as so many other things in Islam, is I believe, a question of interpretation - the only really black and white 'givens' are the '5 pillars of faith' - affirming that there is only one God, accepting the Kalma or Shahada ; fasting, giving of alms, pilgrimage to Mecca ( and even this last is for those who are able - in other words, healthwise or fianancially) There are many who intrepret hijab as a modest non provocotive dress style for both men and women. Even in Morocco, where the Royal Family is by and large more traditional in its day to day life than the Jordanian, the ladies do not cover their head in public.

Originally Posted by Balqis

The wearing of hijab is a totally diferent matter, Humble. Let's not get sidetracked.
In regards to the topic, do you have proof, any real evidence for these serious allegations?????? No? So stick with what you know you can prove, which is nil. I am sick of people spreading lies. Freedom of speech does NOT equal slander.

right?!!! you convinced me, Rania....hahahaha...

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by Humble

right?!!! you convinced me, Rania....hahahaha...

Umm...I guess you have nothing intelligent to come back with, except more nonsense?

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by shelley

The question of Hijab, as so many other things in Islam, is I believe, a question of interpretation - the only really black and white 'givens' are the '5 pillars of faith' - affirming that there is only one God, accepting the Kalma or Shahada ; fasting, giving of alms, pilgrimage to Mecca ( and even this last is for those who are able - in other words, healthwise or fianancially) There are many who intrepret hijab as a modest non provocotive dress style for both men and women. Even in Morocco, where the Royal Family is by and large more traditional in its day to day life than the Jordanian, the ladies do not cover their head in public.

This belongs to another topic, Shelley. But you are definitely right in what you say. The wearing of Hijab is up to the believer. Modesty above all is what is important. But Humble's original comment was really to show, in my interpretation, that the Hashemites are not really religious because their wives and daughters do not wear a veil. I totally disagree with this. In actual fact because they do not enforce any code for dress for women in Jordan, rather give them the choice, it shows enlightenement and intelligence.

[Angie]

Balqis why do you care what the posters say about the royal family?

Originally Posted by Balqis

Umm...I guess you have nothing intelligent to come back with, except more nonsense?

WOW...I am impressed..you are right!???????????

Meanwhile, entertain youself by this Clip about king Abdellah 2 (a prince back then)

http://www.arabtimes.com/StarTrek_NEW.wmv
Star Trek - Voyager, Episode 35: Investigations - 1995
Have fun!

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by Angie

Balqis why do you care what the posters say about the royal family?

Why? Because the negative comments are deeply offensive, unfair and without merit, Angie. How would you like it if people were spreading misconceptions and lies about you? Some posters are using the JRF like a punching bag. Freedom of speech entails a little bit of responsibility, I think. It's one thing to write about the feelings you have for someone, it's another thing to accuse a head of state and his family of criminal activity when you have nothing to back it up with.
I've been following this board for a while and the negativity about the JRF bewilders me. There is no balance of positive comments versus negative. Posters have been allowed to run riot with inconcievably biased comments about the Jordanian royals, particularly Abdullah and Rania. Let's just say I would like to readdress the balance so that a newcomer who's just joined this board to seek information or someone becoming interested in the JRF for the first time doesn't come away with an unecessarily bad view of them, just because some individuals have nothing else to do but bash them and talk rubbish about them.

[Angie]

[quote=Balqis]Why? Because the negative comments are deeply offensive, unfair and without merit, Angie. How would you like it if people were spreading misconceptions and lies about you?


I see your point. I would be really pi***d off if someone was spreading lies about me. I take it from you comments that you know the royal family personally? or am I wrong?

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by Angie

I see your point. I would be really pi***d off if someone was spreading lies about me. I take it from you comments that you know the royal family personally?, or am I wrong?

No, I don't know them personally, Angie. I respect and admire Abdullah and Rania as individuals. From what I've seen they are doing a great job, which is a difficult one. They don't deserve all this hate and nonsense that's being posted about them. At then end of the day they are normal human beings with feelings. I think people forget that. No need to trash them.

[Angie]

Originally Posted by Balqis

No, I don't know them personally, Angie. I respect and admire Abdullah and Rania as individuals. From what I've seen they are doing a great job, which is a difficult one. They don't deserve all this hate and nonsense that's being posted about them. At then end of the day they are normal human beings with feelings. I think people forget that. No need to trash them.

In all fairness you don't know either if it's false what some of the people say here.

Yeah they are normal human beings with feelings, we all agree on the one!

[sommone]

You haven't seen anything to you see what is written about Haya...but I can respect people's opinion even if I don't agree. They are after all entitled to it. There are royals that I'm not fond of, but I don't bash...at least I try not to. Far be it from me to step on anyone's toes...Unless you step on mine first.

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by Angie

In all fairness you don't know either if it's false what some of the people say here.

Yeah they are normal human beings with feelings, we all agree on the one!

Angie, as long as someone can prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that what it's being said about the JRF is true, then I will rest my case. In any court in most civilized countries all individuals are innocent UNTIL proven guilty. People here are basically passing judgement and what is very alarming - without providing evidence of any sort. It's nasty gossip at best, serious slander at worst. SLANDER is a serious offence, especially if you are alleging what these posters are. What does slander really mean? Bismirching someone's good name, dragging it through the mud. It's one thing to have a serious discussion, it's quite another thing to jump to conclusions and slander a head of state and his wife. People should watch what they say and how they say it. There is a wise saying - if you don't have something nice to say about a person, then don't say anything at all.

[Balqis]

Originally Posted by sommone

You haven't seen anything to you see what is written about Haya...but I can respect people's opinion even if I don't agree. They are after all entitled to it. There are royals that I'm not fond of, but I don't bash...at least I try not to. Far be it from me to step on anyone's toes...Unless you step on mine first.

Opinions and feelings are fine, slander isn't. I don't like certain people in the public eye but I don't go out of my way to trash and slander them. There is a point I wouldn't cross. It's not in my nature to be nasty like some individuals here and also I believe that what you dish out comes back at you in some form or another. Think of the internet as a collective pool. What you say here DOES have an enormous effect on your real world. Be nice and people will be nice to you. Be nasty and you will get the same.

[Angie]

Originally Posted by Balqis

Angie, as long as someone can prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that what it's being said about the JRF is true, then I will rest my case. In any court in most civilized countries all individuals are innocent UNTIL proven guilty. People here are basically passing judgement and what is very alarming - without providing evidence of any sort. It's nasty gossip at best, serious slander at worst. SLANDER is a serious offence, especially if you are alleging what these posters are. What does slander really mean? Bismirching someone's good name, dragging it through the mud. It's one thing to have a serious discussion, it's quite another thing to jump to conclusions and slander a head of state and his wife. People should watch what they say and how they say it. There is a wise saying - if you don't have something nice to say about a person, then don't say anything at all.

I agree, some of what is brought up here is without any evidence.

[Angie]

Originally Posted by sommone

You haven't seen anything to you see what is written about Haya...but I can respect people's opinion even if I don't agree. They are after all entitled to it. There are royals that I'm not fond of, but I don't bash...at least I try not to. Far be it from me to step on anyone's toes...Unless you step on mine first.

Yeah the Haya bashing is really mean spirited but people are entitle to their opinions.