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Old 06-25-2004, 09:37 AM
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When it was written you have to remember that men were expected to take care of their familes. Women were cared for even if they were wealthy.

It seems more fair than Noor's children getting a disproportionate percentage of it.
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Old 06-25-2004, 12:13 PM
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is it the same case in other Arabic countries??
do women there also inherit twice amount less than men do??
I mean pure logic tells ppl that that is plain wrong..how is that even possible ,it's like a woman is not as worthy??
this info is pretty disturbing :(
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Old 06-25-2004, 12:26 PM
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is it the same case in other Arabic countries??
do women there also inherit twice amount less than men do??
I mean pure logic tells ppl that that is plain wrong..how is that even possible ,it's like a woman is not as worthy??
this info is pretty disturbing :(
I made a search about the status of women in Islam...

The link below talks about many aspects, among which the financial one and so you will understand why a woman gets 1/2 of man's share...

An excerpt of that section says:

" Her share in most cases is one-half the man's share, with no implication that she is worth half a man! It would seem grossly inconsistent after the overwhelming evidence of woman's equitable treatment in Islam, which was discussed in the preceding pages, to make such an inference. This variation in inheritance rights is only consistent with the variations in financial responsibilities of man and woman according to the Islamic Law. Man in Islam is fully responsible for the maintenance of his wife, his children, and in some cases of his needy relatives, especially the females. This responsibility is neither waived nor reduced because of his wife's wealth or because of her access to any personal income gained from work, rent, profit, or any other legal means.
Woman, on the other hand, is far more secure financially and is far less burdened with any claims on her possessions. Her possessions before marriage do not transfer to her husband and she even keeps her maiden name. She has no obligation to spend on her family out of such properties or out of her income after marriage. She is entitled to the "Mahr" which she takes from her husband at the time of marriage. If she is divorced, she may get an alimony from her ex-husband.

An examination of the inheritance law within the overall framework of the Islamic Law reveals not only justice but also an abundance of compassion for woman. "

The link can be found here: The Status of Women in Islam

Now, we have some understanding...
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Old 06-25-2004, 02:00 PM
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thanks for the info!
It's not as bad as i thought it was,but twice time less than man is still a huge turn off..
i like the idea of equality between m&w in all aspects better,at least at paper ..in relity men still have better paid jobs an stuff.
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I would watch what I say girls. Slander is a serious thing. To allude here and in other threads that aid from abroad is going into the private accounts of the Jordan Royal Family is a serious accusation. To accuse somone in the Arab world of stealing money is very offensive. If you have proof then that's another matter. Speculating in a totally unfounded way with no real evidence to back up what you say is very tricky.
The JRF have their own private wealth, accumulated way before King Abdullah II ascended to the throne. Most families in power in the Middle East have private wealth that has nothing to do with their country's wealth. Some flaunt their wealth in an extravagant way, some keep it very private. I think being descended from the Prophet Mohammed has given the Hashemites a profound sense of duty to the well-being of their subjects. It is part of their code of honour. To say that money meant for the poor is used to line their pockets, well what can I say? It's incredibly scandal-mongering, what a way to sling mud...
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Old 08-19-2004, 10:51 AM
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I agree with what you have said, Sommone. Much clearer boundaries need to be set.
let me tell you something,I am a Jordanian and I consider myself loyal,but I found it so hard to stop people from spreading rumors about the RF,SOME poeple have this really bad image in their heads about them and If you are a Jordanian and living in Jordan you would understand what I mean..I tried for 5 years so far,people do believe rumors and they enjoy doing that,and I think the RF members are aware of the situation,they are famous and are very well known -let me say- all over the world,they were born famous and they have been raised on coping and ignoring the bad things they hear about their family (the lies they hear about them),they are human and they have feelings,I know for sure rumors can really affect their lives negatively,but they do realise at the ame time that there's nothing to be done to stop people from spreading rumors. people live to spread rumors i guess


Ps: Balqis,I really enjoyed reading you're posts,it's nice to have you here.
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Old 08-19-2004, 04:48 PM
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I think we do not have the same understanding of "Bashing"...What one considers bashing, another one would consider it opinion...In all cases, talking about how a public figure uses money and how he/she gets is and will always be controversial..Besides, royal members are not angels...and if they do not spend the money wisely or they exhibit lasish behaviors that we know they can't afford, then their pro- should not get upset...and then these royal members should not be upset either if they get harsh criticism...they choose to be a public figure..so they have to take the whole package with its good and bad sides....that is the price....Otherwise, show to your people how you are getting the money and how you are spending it (AUDIT)
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let me tell you something,I am a Jordanian and I consider myself loyal,but I found it so hard to stop people from spreading rumors about the RF,SOME poeple have this really bad image in their heads about them and If you are a Jordanian and living in Jordan you would understand what I mean..I tried for 5 years so far,people do believe rumors and they enjoy doing that,and I think the RF members are aware of the situation,they are famous and are very well known -let me say- all over the world,they were born famous and they have been raised on coping and ignoring the bad things they hear about their family (the lies they hear about them),they are human and they have feelings,I know for sure rumors can really affect their lives negatively,but they do realise at the ame time that there's nothing to be done to stop people from spreading rumors. people live to spread rumors i guess


Ps: Balqis,I really enjoyed reading you're posts,it's nice to have you here.
Thank you for that Amoula. It was nice to hear your post too. You've raised some good points.

The JRF has had to deal with horrible rumours for a long time, way before the internet came along. The kind of gossip they have been subjected to in the past (and still are of course) is done in private. This is a public forum where anyone can read what others post and what they say. That's the difference. I've seen individuals take for fact what is written and that is one of the things I object to. Opinions and people voicing their concerns is one thing. The trouble is some people can easily take it as truth and that is not right and fair. Maybe in future we should be VERY clear how we say things.
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The bottom line to this topic is that we will agree to disagree.
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I would watch what I say girls. Slander is a serious thing. To allude here and in other threads that aid from abroad is going into the private accounts of the Jordan Royal Family is a serious accusation. To accuse somone in the Arab world of stealing money is very offensive. If you have proof then that's another matter. Speculating in a totally unfounded way with no real evidence to back up what you say is very tricky.
Now there is someone with sense, finally! Reading these cranky hen-fests was starting to make me think that this board has nothing but nonsense in the place of true argument. You are absolutely right, Balqis- unless there is some kind of hard evidence, a real paper trail that is definitive, this type of slander is not just irresponsible, it is dangerous. But then again, some crass dolt sitting in America who resents the hell out of Queen Rania for purely selfihs, jealous, and petty reasons doesn't have to think or act responsibly. All these hens have to do is repeat an unfounded allegation enough times and they can convince many people that it "is" true. This technique of the Big Lie worked well for Hitler, why not for them?

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The JRF have their own private wealth, accumulated way before King Abdullah II ascended to the throne. Most families in power in the Middle East have private wealth that has nothing to do with their country's wealth. Some flaunt their wealth in an extravagant way, some keep it very private. I think being descended from the Prophet Mohammed has given the Hashemites a profound sense of duty to the well-being of their subjects. It is part of their code of honour. To say that money meant for the poor is used to line their pockets, well what can I say? It's incredibly scandal-mongering, what a way to sling mud...
And it also shows the lack of truth in the minds of those who make such unfounded, unwarranted, and completely lame accusations. Just because Queen Rania wears the most beautiful clothes in the world doesn't mean that she is stealing aid money to do so. But if her beauty and grace make fill your mind with envy and anger, then of course, like those here on this board, you will attack her in any irresponsible way possible. And if you can get a hen-fest of likeminded dolts totgethe, well the entire thing can appear true even when it is nothing but a bunch of hot air.

In this entire thread about there isn't any evidence at all, at all, just a constant refrain of slanderous accusations that do nothing except make those who believe the allegations feel good about themselves.

The burden of proof is on the accuser. If someone wants to make allegations about JRF abusing aid funds, then they- the accusers- are the ones who need to present evidence to make the case. The accused or those who do not agree with the accuser are not the ones who need to supply evidence. This is the basis of "innocent until proven guilty".
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