Queen Noor's relationship with her kids

[monos26]

I haven't been able to find it anywhere-what have her kids done to her? I keep reading about Hamzah's behavior.

[zento]

Originally posted by monos26@Jul 1st, 2004 - 1:12 pm
I haven't been able to find it anywhere-what have her kids done to her?  I keep reading about Hamzah's behavior.

maybe hamzah finally realized he was the son of a Nanny and Hashim the son of a mail man.

[bluetortuga]

maybe hamzah finally realized he was the son of a Nanny and Hashim the son of a mail man.

You're bad! Unless the nanny looks like K. Hussein. Hamzah and Hashim are KH's sons. But I'm sure KH would not be very pleased with Hamzah if he knew how his mother was being treated.

[Akilah]

Monos26,

I don't think it is all of her childern I think it is just her oldest--Hamzah. It is said that Queen Noor was place at another table from the the wedding party at her son's reception. Many persons on this board including myself thought that it was strange that the mother of the bridegroom would be place away from the wedding party. She should have been at the table with the bridegroom and the bride right along with King Abudullah and Queen Rania. Some person speculate this was some sign of a rift between Hamazh and Queen Noor. It is uttered that Hamazh is looking to secure his position as Crown Prince by isolating his mother. I don;t know, but I find this illedged behavior quite disheartening to hear from a son whose mother who has fought to help secure his place and title. :(

[maryshawn]

IF Queen Noor was, in fact, treated disrespectfully at her son's wedding celebration then all concerned should be ashamed of themselves and she should tell the Royal Family she has decided to resign as scapegoat ad infinitum--and the position is up for grabs. All the woman has ever done--particularly during the Gulf War--is try to get people to understand the position of Jordan and see the country in a sympathetic light. She did the same in her autobiography.

If present behavior holds true and continues, KA's autobiography should run about 10 pages and QR's would be nothing but a treatise on haute couture. As for Hamzah, IF he treated his mother disrespectfully, he deserves what he gets--perpetual runner-up status for monarch. He might do well to spend time with his uncle who was displaced to learn how to handle it when he get the news KA names a son of his King.

Personally, I think weddings bring out the worst in people. The focus always seems to shift from this is a joyous occasion for the bride and groom to who gets invited, who sits where, who wears a nicer dress or more fabulous jewels.....sounds like what happened in Amman.....and I'm disgusted!

[bluetortuga]

Originally posted by maryshawn@Jul 1st, 2004 - 9:58 pm
IF Queen Noor was, in fact, treated disrespectfully at her son's wedding celebration then all concerned should be ashamed of themselves and she should tell the Royal Family she has decided to resign as scapegoat ad infinitum--and the position is up for grabs. All the woman has ever done--particularly during the Gulf War--is try to get people to understand the position of Jordan and see the country in a sympathetic light. She did the same in her autobiography.

If present behavior holds true and continues, KA's autobiography should run about 10 pages and QR's would be nothing but a treatise on haute couture. As for Hamzah, IF he treated his mother disrespectfully, he deserves what he gets--perpetual runner-up status for monarch. He might do well to spend time with his uncle who was displaced to learn how to handle it when he get the news KA names a son of his King.

Personally, I think weddings bring out the worst in people. The focus always seems to shift from this is a joyous occasion for the bride and groom to who gets invited, who sits where, who wears a nicer dress or more fabulous jewels.....sounds like what happened in Amman.....and I'm disgusted!

Placeho;der Hamzah deserves to be shouted down in public. I have lost all respect for him. If he can't even treat his mother right, then he does not deserve to be king. KA would be right to leave the succession within his own family.

[sommone]

I'm not very fond of Noor, but if Hamzah has been treating her bad, then he is definitely wrong. All that for a position that may or may not exist considering everything that is going on in the Middle East at the moment. Parents are everything. I don't think KH would be pleased if what everyone is saying is true. Bad Hamzah!

[papillon]

Originally posted by sommone@Jul 1st, 2004 - 10:56 pm
I'm not very fond of Noor, but if Hamzah has been treating her bad, then he is definitely wrong.

I just can't imagine anything QN could've reasonably done as a parent, short of molesting her own children, that could justify the disrespect CP Hamzah has shown her since the death of KH. I think KH must be spinning in his grave.

[zento]

treating her badly??,LOL
where do you ppl get that conclusions from??
based from some pictures or video footages??
gosh,they have private lives.
I'm sure he adores his mum
i'm sure they both would chocke from laughing after reading this threads

[sommone]

Originally posted by zento@Jul 2nd, 2004 - 12:13 am
treating her badly??,LOL
where do you ppl get that conclusions from??
based from some pictures or video footages??
gosh,they have private lives.
I'm sure he adores his mum
i'm sure they both would chocke from laughing after reading this threads

I never said that he was treating her wrong, I said if he was treating her wrong, then he is wrong. I can't speak for other members.

[maryshawn]

Queen Noor has been dissected for the way the children were raised and we've all wondered why some dislike her so.

1. Queen Zein did not like Noor so if she took over responsibility for raising
Haya, Ali and Abir perhaps her feelings registered with them.

2. The other children had mothers; I think Queen Noor was showing respect to them by not trying to be their "parent."

3. If any child is going to resent anyone it should be the eldest, Alia. Once her parents divorced (while the wife was out of the country), she was not allowed back in and not allowed to see her child for five years. It took Princess' Muna's intercession to bring them together. Alia should be mad at her dad; not Noor--she wasn't even around back then.

4. It all reminds me a bit of the Onassis kids' hatred of Jackie Kennedy. She tried but they rebuffed her because their wish was their father would remarry their mother. No matter what she did, they treated her with cruel remarks 'till she gave up. And, just as Cristina and Alexander believed and convinced their father Jackie brought bad luck to the family, Queen Alia's kids might harbor some of those feelings. They lost their mother and father two days, albeit many years apart. Both young. I'm sure having their father all to themselves then having a new "mom" hated by grandma was confusing, unsettling and may account for their feelings.

Any thoughts?

[bluetortuga]

Originally posted by maryshawn@Jul 2nd, 2004 - 12:11 am
Queen Noor has been dissected for the way the children were raised and we've all wondered why some dislike her so.

1. Queen Zein did not like Noor so if she took over responsibility for raising
Haya, Ali and Abir perhaps her feelings registered with them.

2. The other children had mothers; I think Queen Noor was showing respect to them by not trying to be their "parent."

3. If any child is going to resent anyone it should be the eldest, Alia. Once her parents divorced (while the wife was out of the country), she was not allowed back in and not allowed to see her child for five years. It took Princess' Muna's intercession to bring them together. Alia should be mad at her dad; not Noor--she wasn't even around back then.

4. It all reminds me a bit of the Onassis kids' hatred of Jackie Kennedy. She tried but they rebuffed her because their wish was their father would remarry their mother. No matter what she did, they treated her with cruel remarks 'till she gave up. And, just as Cristina and Alexander believed and convinced their father Jackie brought bad luck to the family, Queen Alia's kids might harbor some of those feelings. They lost their mother and father two days, albeit many years apart. Both young. I'm sure having their father all to themselves then having a new "mom" hated by grandma was confusing, unsettling and may account for their feelings.

Any thoughts?

The kids are just plain ridiculous. They were never abused. They've had everything they've ever needed and more. They have no reason to be angry at anyone. It's the Jordanian people who should be angry, having to foot the bill of a family as dysfunctional as this one.

[paloma]

None of this behaviour is surprising. This is what happens when you have ex wives, wives and kids from four different women. I would say that at this point, these kids are just looking out for their own individual interests.

[Akilah]

Originally posted by zento@Jul 2nd, 2004 - 12:13 am
treating her badly??,LOL
where do you ppl get that conclusions from??
based from some pictures or video footages??
gosh,they have private lives.
I'm sure he adores his mum
i'm sure they both would chocke from laughing after reading this threads   

Noor would never admit the truth in full on any subject in regrads to her personal life. I have been reading her book recently,and in my opinion, it is an example of a women in denial about her personal life so to speak. She alludes the the truth and speaks one sided; it is all about what sounds good and makes her appear above medocrity. It does not have to look good-- asetheically to QNoor. Her marriage, her in-law (Queen Zein), and family life in gerneral with Hussein all his childern, including their own, was not all that ideal, but whose life is? Yet, her book seems to place her above pitiness and conflict; it would appear she some how transcends something in the book, but what it is I have yet to find it.

But back to the subject. Queen Noor and Prince Hamzah would not ever be in a room together laughing about us "riduclous" persons who speculate about the state of their relationship because i believe it would hit close to home. Some people cannot face the truth until it becames the a mirror of themselves that they are forced to see when faced the the evitable, namely in this situation the reality being the son she rised, with the help of nannies of course, will never be the king she had expected him to be, and in his mind, even if that means isolating himself from is mother to be in favor of the "Almighty Abdullah" and the "Queens of Queens Rania." QNoor tried but lost out in the end.

[papillon]

Originally posted by Akilah@Jul 2nd, 2004 - 10:58 am
Noor would never admit the truth in full on any subject in regrads to her personal life. I have been reading her book recently,and in my opinion, it is an example of a women in denial about her personal life so to speak.

But back to the subject. Queen Noor and Prince Hamzah would not ever be in a room together laughing about us "riduclous" person who speculate about the state of their relationship because i believe it would hit close to home. Some people cannot face the truth until it becames the a mirror of themselves that they are forced to see when faced the the evitable, namely in this situation the reality being the son she rised, with the help of nannies of course, will never be the king she had expected him to be, and in his mind he will even if that means isolating himself from is mother to be in favor of the "Almighty Abdullah" and the "Queens of Queens Rania." QNoor tried but lost out in the end.

The book seems to be written with KH's legacy in mind. I didn't learn much about QN from it, other than that either she's not a very introspective person who can be truthful with herself or that she is too private to be able to write a more forthcoming memoir of her life. To me, it seemed she really wanted to write a first draft of history about her husband, but her picture on the cover would sell more books in the West, where more of the money is.

As a product of a "broken" home myself, I can vouch that it's not easy being the child of two parents whose marriage has been a bust. But, at some point, some/most of us grow up, take responsibility for ourselves and our decisions, and quit blaming the parental units for all that is wrong in our lives. At this point, even though I am sorry for the pain QN's stepchildren experienced in their youth, the public whining about it and the inability to show at least some civility to her is getting a little old. I'm just not sympathetic to them. All of them are old enough now to be able to look back and realize that QN was just 26 when she stepped into a very difficult, almost impossible role vis-a-vis the stepchildren (not to mention all the cultural and "career" role adjustments she would have been experiencing at the same time). She was completely outnumbered and probably overwhelmed. How could she possibly make up for the loss of, e.g., Q Alia or, for Abeer, both Abeer's mother and her adopted mother? I'll know the stepchildren have become true adults when they can interact with her with more civility, even if they do it only because QN was the person KH, their father, chose for his partner.

As for the biological children, well I hope the three youngest ones have a more normal relationship with QN. Like you, Akilah, I think QN and CP Hamzah would never be able to laugh if they read this thread and others on this site. It might cause them to look at their situation as some of us on the outside do, which is with sadness and some anger at CP Hamzah. I just don't see any valid excuse for his behavior.

[Banadoora]

Queen Noor said that the children were having problems with their father too. They may have had some problems with her, but they were fighting with their father. I wouldn't compare the situation with that of Jackie O since the two are very different.

I agree that KH's having children with multiple wives created many problems with the family but I don't think that his children blame QNoor alone for their problems.

Princess Alia was in her twenties when these problems were occuring so I doubt that she was involved at all.

[Banadoora]

I'm a little confused here. Is anyone sure that P Hamzah and P Hashim have been treating their mother badly? How did we find out that she was sitting away form the bridal party at the reception?

[Gobsmacked]

Originally posted by Akilah@Jul 1st, 2004 - 2:41 pm
Some person speculate this was some sign of a rift between Hamazh and Queen Noor. It is uttered that Hamazh is looking to secure his position as Crown Prince by isolating his mother.

But could it actually be the opposite, a deliberate strategy? Is it possible that Queen Noor is well aware of her unpopularity and she herself decided, for the benefit of her son and his need to distance himself from his American roots, that she remain more in the background now and in the future?

In other words, the choice to sit at another table might have been her own choice. She was right next to him in the receiving line in the photos I have and right next to Abdullah and Rania as mother of the bride in some of the group photos. It wasn't like she wasn't invited or had to sit in the kitchen with the help!

[Monalisa]

Sorry,i don't understund what about you are talking!
What happened at Hamza's wedding?and how he didn't treat his mother QN good? :o And how do you know that?

[pepep]

Originally posted by Gobsmacked@Jul 4th, 2004 - 11:16 pm
Is it possible that Queen Noor is well aware of her unpopularity

Queen Noor unpopular? By whom?