Savoy and Savoy-Aosta: Restoration, Succession, Heirs and Conflicts

[jonnydep]

Originally Posted by MAfan

Unfortunately you're right...
I fear that until VE and his son EF will be alive and will continue to proclaim theirself the Heirs to the Italian Throne (and they aren't), we will remain a republic...
Moreover, and unfortunately too, the Aostas are very quiet, and not so much known...sometimes here we can hear something about Amedeo, but his family is rather unknown...

hi, mafan.
what do you mean by "and they aren't." have both princes renounced their rights to the throne etc and if so why are they still proclaiming themselves as heirs to the throne ?. sorry you have a little puzzled here..buddy !!

both princes are the son and grandson of the last king of italy and no matter what thier wrong doing and deeds are....does not alter the fact that both princes are considered the heirs.

however i do admitt that the behaviour of the princes does not help a restoration of the monarchy in italy.

i am pretty sure with you being an italian. you can enlighten me inregards this subject...to be honest i know very little !!

edit.......i would like to add......i forgot to mention that my main source i have of the italian royals......is burkes royal families of the world :volume one europe and latin america (1977), in which it does state "king umberto's heir is his son prince victor emmamual, born in naples in feb 1937.......

[MAfan]

what do you mean by "and they aren't."

Well, it is a very long story, in some of the previous 100 posts in this page it is all explained; btw, the Laws of House Savoy state that a member of the Family who marries without asking the permission of the Head of the Family automatically looses his rights to the Throne and all his titles, for himself and his descendants.
Please notice that, according to these rules, even a morganatic marriage needs the permission of the Head of the Family.
In the 1960s King Umberto in several letters, published in the website of Prince Amedeo of Savoy (Real Casa di Savoia - Home) warned his son and at the time heir Vittorio Emanuele that He, the King, would not allow VE's marriage to a woman who was not of royal blood, since the Kings in House Savoy marry only Royal Princesses; in these letters, His Majesty warned VE also that if he would have married a commoner, the King would have informed the other Royal Families and the Italian people about VE violation of the Family Rules, and of his lost of the titles and rights.
In 1970 VE married Marina Ricolfi Doria in Las Vegas, and the following year in Teheran, without having asked the permission to his Father the King.
The logical consequence of the marriage is the lost of the rights and titles for him, and therefore for his future descendants; the other consequence is that the successor of King Umberto was the, at the time, second in the Line of Succession, Prince Amedeo.
Later, the King never recognised in any way the marriage of VE, nor as dinastyc nor as morganatic; moreover He also didn't tell anything against this marriage to the Italian people and the foreign Courts; finally, He gave his grandson Emanuele Filiberto the title of Prince of Venice.
These three facts has been read by VE as a dinastycal legitimation of his marriage, and therefore as a confirmation of his permanence in the Line of Succession and his titles; this reading is clearly against the Family Laws, that the Late King knew and always followed.

however i do amitt that the behaviour of the princes does not help a restoration of the monarchy in italy.

unfortunately that's true...and also seriously damage the image of the Royal Family.

[Warren]

The posts discussing the marriage of the first Duke of Aosta have been moved to the Royal House of Savoy History etc thread.