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Old 06-02-2010, 11:29 PM
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EF has turned into a stylist with his collection of clothers "Principe d'Italia" (Prince of Italy), of course using the coat of arms of Savoy Family...
Sounds real tacky to do that with the coat of arms of Savoy Family.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:16 PM
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I can't find a news link to an investigation into the affairs of the Order but Wiki has this:

[In February 2006] all three of his sisters resigned from their positions as Dames of the Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus. Princess Maria Gabriella has criticised her brother for instituting "the payment of membership fees [and] activities such as the sale of objects with the Savoy coat of arms and credit cards of the order".
Actually the House of Savoy is not directly involved in this new scandal that has hit the top management of the Civil Protection, and one of the members of the staff of Vice Minister Bertolaso in particular, who was created Knight of St. Mauritius and Lazarus. So the magistrates in Perugia, not Rome, sorry, are investigating this man, and consequently the Order.
The media didn't put much emphasis on this piece of news, apart few newspapers, so, I guess the international press didn't either.
The foreign press usually "copy and paste" mostly from La Repubblica newspaper.
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Vittorio-Emanuele will have a new trial:

La Procura di Roma: processare Vittorio Emanuele e altri cinque imputati - Corriere Roma
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Princess Maria Gabriela de Saboya is spending her vacations at Mallorca, Spain. Diario de Mallorca made an interview to her. Check it here:
´Creo que las monarquías van a desaparecer tarde o temprano´ - Diario de Mallorca
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Old 07-22-2010, 11:40 AM
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the princess thinks that all monarchies will disappear sooner or later. And among other things she said that princess Letizia seems intelligent. She stays diplomatic about president Berlusconi. She explains why she supports the duke of Aosta and not her own brother, etc. An interesting interview! Thanks for posting the link.
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Can someone translate the point where she talks of Berlusconi?
(I don't want to introduce politics in the discussion, at all, just I'm curious to know her opinion)
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Old 07-22-2010, 03:51 PM
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She explains why she supports the duke of Aosta and not her own brother, etc. An interesting interview!
Please Marengo why does the Princess support the Duke of Aosta and not her own brother? Is it because of his marriage or behavior?

I think she is a historian and maybe that might color her view.
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I really can't understand why the daughter of King Umberto speaks like this about Monarchy.
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Old 07-24-2010, 03:20 PM
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I really can't understand why the daughter of King Umberto speaks like this about Monarchy.
Reading the article, I belive she is talking about the Spanish Monarchy disappearing.

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Please Marengo why does the Princess support the Duke of Aosta and not her own brother? Is it because of his marriage or behavior?

I think she is a historian and maybe that might color her view.
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Why it is in favor of the Duke of Aosta, cousin, not his brother and heir to his father, King Umberto II?

"My brother did some things wrong in his life and is not a good representative of the dynasty. It should be like in Germany. People respect to heads of families, but when he misbehaves a quick throw for the cousin or little brother.
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Can someone translate the point where she talks of Berlusconi?
(I don't want to introduce politics in the discussion, at all, just I'm curious to know her opinion)
From Google Translate again.

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And Berlusconi?


"People love it. Perhaps because it makes you laugh, I do not know whether it is for Italy. The classic phrase is that if he goes, who will come if there is terrible, worse. There is a tremendous crisis of values, corruption
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Now VIP says now is the 'Viewed in Prison. "
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Is the google translation saying that the princess brother misbehaves for a king and the royalist think his first cousin and his son should be ahead of the House of Savoy?
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Things are a little more complicated; according to the rules of House Savoy, her brother Vittorio Emanuele lost all his titles, rights and pretensions for himself and his descendants when he married to a commoner without the allowance of the King (allowance that he actually never asked). Therefore de jure the dynastic successor to the late King Umberto is Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta. Btw, Vittorio Emanuele denys this interpretation of the rules and the facts.

But Vittorio Emanuele also committed during his life several other "mistakes", misbehaves and false-steps: the murder of Dirk Hamer in 1978, his statement in 2003 that 1983 anti-semitic laws were "not that terrible", the punchs to the Duke of Aosta in 2004 at the wedding of the Prince and Princess of Asturias, the inquirys and charges of criminal association, corruption and exploitation of prostitution in 2006, his declaration, in 2006 too, that Sards are "pieces of ****", the request to the Italian Republic in 2007 to pay him and to his son 260 million Euros as compensation for the moral injustice suffered during the exile, and last but not least the management of the Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus (asking the the payment of membership fees and in general transforming the activities of the Order in a business for gaining money).

I don't say that the Duke of Aosta is a saint, but imo his scandals (mainly caused by extra matrimonial affairs) are nothing compared to his cousin's, and it seems to me that the Duke of Aosta, beyond who is the rightful successor of King Umberto II according to the laws of House Savoy, is much more a suitable entrant as King in the eventuality of a restoration.
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Thank you MAfan. I read recently the Fall of the House of Savoy. I did not get an opinion from the author about Vittorio Emanuele's father Urbino not letting him marry a commoner. King Urbino gave both Vittorio Emanuele and his son, Emanuele Filiberto royal titles, so I really don't see this part of the Savoy family out of royal contention. I do agree that Prince Amedeo and his family are the better candidates.
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I don't say that the Duke of Aosta is a saint, but imo his scandals (mainly caused by extra matrimonial affairs) are nothing compared to his cousin's...
Absolutely! As you state, the Duke of Aosta is no angel either, but his flaws pale in comparison to that of his cousin's. His son married a Princess of Greece and has quietly worked as a businessman, avoiding the limelight. The Duke himself has not been involved in any felonious behavior to my knowledge.
Vittorio Emanuele and his son have done nothing except behave as B list celebrities and money hungry poor relatives. Maria Gabrielle supported her brother at one time, but after the last several years came to support the Duke.
Even though Italy would not bring back the Monarchy, Vittorio and his family should have carried themselves as Royals and not cheap knock offs.
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Old 07-25-2010, 05:32 AM
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Vittorio Emanuele was created Prince of Naples at his birth by his grandfather, King Vittorio Emanuele III; than he became Hereditary Prince in 1946, when his father became King Umberto II, but as far as I know the King never gave him any more titles.

As for Emanuele Filiberto's title, it is disputed; it seems that King Umberto II created his grandson Prince of Venice at his christening in 1972; but there are no written evidences about that (no letters patent, and this is strange because King Umberto always issued them when giving titles). It is also interesting to notice that the title of Prince of Venice isn't a typical title of House Savoy (this title was used only one time in 1805 by Eugene de Beauharnais, Napoleon's stepson), while the traditional titles for the eldest son and grandson of the King of Italy are Prince of Piedmont (at the time nobody was carrying this title) and Prince of Naples. Later in 1984 Vittorio Emanuele created Emanuele Filiberto Prince of Piedmont (why to do? If EF already had a royal title, why the necessity to give him another one?), but if Vittorio Emanuele isn't the Head of the Royal Family he cannot give any title to anyone.
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Thank you. MAfan I think The House of Savoy died with King Umberto. If Italy ever brings back royalty it should be from the Duke of Aosta lineage.
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Princess Maria Pia with husband Michel de Bourbon-Parma and son Serge of Yugoslavia is spending an holiday in the former royal mountain resort of Sant'Anna di Valdieri, Piedmont.
In that occasion she visited a royal hut named Queen Elena after her grandmother, she opened an exhibition of paintings about Savoy family battles, was visited by the president of the province of Cuneo, paid visit to the mayor of Cuneo and gave a brilliant interview to La Stampa. "Io, figlia dell?ultimo re nell?alcova della Bela Rosin"- LASTAMPA.it
Today she will be present in a Mass for Queen Elena that will be celebrated in the forest nearby.
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Old 08-25-2010, 03:25 AM
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Elisabeth de Balkany and her husband Olivier Janssens had their second son and third child Louis somewhere in 2009.
A brother for Gabriella (7-3-2004) and Tommaso (13-1-2006).
Does someone know the exact birthday of this grandson of princess Maria Gabriella?
Thanks for any information.
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Which member of the Royal House of Savoy will attend the funeral of the Duke of Parma ?
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Which member of the Royal House of Savoy will attend the funeral of the Duke of Parma ?
Just back from the funeral, no member of the House of Savoy was there...no invitation...

The Grandducke of Luxembourg, Crown Prince & Princess of The Netherlands and Archduke Martin of Austia-Este were present.

As soon as I will be back home (monday) I will publish the invitation and the official program of the funeral.
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Interview made by Diario de Ibiza (Spain) to princess Maria Gabriela de Saboya (she talks about european monarquies, princess Letizia, King Juan Carlos -ex boyfriend- and the saboya jewels issue at the Bank of Italy):

http://www.diariodeibiza.es/diario-verano/2010/08/29/princesa-trabajo-diario/429787.html
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