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Old 12-24-2002, 01:30 AM
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Royal House of Savoy current events 1: 2002- March 2007

Monday, 23 December, 2002, 14:59 GMT
Italy's royals return home

Victor Emmanuel, the son of Italy's last king, has returned to Italy after more than half a century in exile.

He and his family landed at Rome's Ciampino military airport in a private plane on Monday morning, ahead of a private audience with Pope John Paul II.

Victor Emmanuel spoke of experiencing "indescribable emotion" at his return.

Hours later the family left for the return flight to Switzerland, after a lightning visit which had taken commentators by surprise.

But Victor Emmanuel's decision to make his first visit to the Vatican - rather than to the Italian president or Naples, which he left as a nine-year-old boy in 1946 - has earned criticism from some who saw it as inappropriate.

The former royal family swore their loyalty to the Italian republic as part of the terms of the lifting of the post-war ban on them returning to Italy.

It is Victor Emmanuel's first visit since he was a boy
Sergio Romano, a former ambassador and an influential commentator, described the decision to go to the Vatican as "a combination of arrogance, political insensitivity and bad upbringing."

But Victor Emmanuel told reporters: "We are Catholic and I am returning to my country which, with the Pope, is the seat of Catholicism.

"The first thing I do is see the Pope, then we shall see all the others."

The visit was made possible by a series of votes in the Italian parliament earlier this year, reversing the post-war ban on the male royals' return.

"I have come back to Rome after 56 years and I cannot find words to express my feelings at this moment," Victor Emmanuel said, as he stood on Italian soil for the first time in his adult life.

The family has been in Geneva since 1946 when it was exiled for supporting the fascist government of Italy's wartime leader Benito Mussolini.

Monarchy discredited

The BBC's Rome correspondent, David Willey, says Victor Emmanuel, his wife, Marine Doria, and their son, Emmanuel Filiberto, were whisked away from the airport in two cars provided by the Vatican.

The 65-year-old prince was nine years old when he left his homeland, while Emmanuel Filiberto, 30, has never set foot in Italy.

They are the direct descendants of Italy's last king, Umberto II, who died in Switzerland in 1983.

Umberto's father, Victor Emmanuel III, reigned while Mussolini was in power, before eventually dismissing the former dictator in 1943.

The king, disgraced for collaborating with the fascist regime, including having endorsed the deportation of thousands of Italian Jews during World War II, abdicated in May, 1946.

Two years later the Italian constitution barred Umberto's descendants from Italy.


The royals have led a long campaign to visit their homeland and earlier this year the Italian parliament relaxed the ban on the grounds that the family presented no danger to the Italian republic set up after the fall of fascism.

Our correspondent says the visit had been planned for some time, but the family kept secret the date of this whirlwind trip.

He says there is little public support in Italy for the return of the monarchy, who are regarded as slightly anachronistic in the Italy of the third millennium.

The family have renounced all claims to the Italian throne.


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Old 12-24-2002, 01:34 AM
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Thanks for the article, Jacqueline! It is quite interesting that Vittorio Emanuele decided on returning when he had a back injury that required him to leave for treatment back in Switzerland the same day. I guess it will be interesting to see how often they frequent Italy now that they are no longer exiled.


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Old 02-05-2003, 07:49 PM
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Here is a link to quite a few pictures of the Savoys on return visit to Rome....1st time in 56 years...Life Press
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Old 03-12-2003, 06:59 PM
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The head of Italy's royal dynasty has said he will not lay claim to the country's Crown jewels, days before his planned return to the Mediterranean country.

Sixty-five-year-old Prince Victor Emmanuel, who as the son of Italy's last reigning king Umberto II has spent the greater part of his life in exile, confirmed that the Crown properties, confiscated by the State in 1946, "are no longer ours". "For that matter we have no claim on the Crown jewels," he said. "We have nothing in Italy and we are not asking for anything."

The prince did say, however, that he hopes the priceless gems, which are currently stored at the Bank of Italy, will be placed on public display. "I hope this with all my heart," he said. "There is no point in keeping them in a dark bank vault."

In addition, a case at the European Court of Human Rights in which the prince charged that his lengthy exile violated his rights, has been dropped.

The announcement comes nearly 60 years after Italy voted for the formation of a republic and all male heirs of the house of Savoy were banned from Italian soil. The parliament overturned the ruling in December 2002, and in January the prince, who has spent most of his life in Switzerland, made a brief visit to the land where his family once reigned.

The prince, who has renounced all claims to the Italian throne, will arrive in Naples on Saturday, with his wife and 30-year-old son Prince Emmanuel Filiberto. It has not been disclosed how the family plan to divide their time between Italy and Switzerland.
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Old 08-18-2003, 03:00 AM
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Italy's exiled royal family shunned as they return
By Bruce Johnston in Rome
(Filed: 16/03/2003)

Italy's former royal family returned to their homeland yesterday after 57 years in exile - to a barrage of criticism which threatened to overshadow the lavish parties and welcoming dinners.

The three-day visit to Naples by Prince Victor Emmanuel, the 65-year-old head of the House of Savoy, his wife, Marina Doria, and their son, Emmanuel Filiberto, 30, was intended to be a grand official homecoming from Switzerland.

Instead, the prince's expressions of "love" for his native land have been met by hostility within Naples - where he was born and from where he sailed into exile at the age of nine - and derision throughout much of Italy.

The family has lived in exile since 1946, when the male line was banished after the late King Victor Emmanuel III, the prince's grandfather, collaborated with Mussolini's fascist regime.

Their return was orchestrated by Silvio Berlusconi's centre-Right government, which pushed the Italian parliament to lift the constitutional ban last year. But feelings still run deep. "I am sorry Naples is receiving with all the honours the people who have been our assassins," said Pasquale Squitieri, the Neapolitan film maker.

Posters lambasting the royal family as "traitors of Italy" and "slaughterers of the South" have appeared around Naples - the latter a reference to the rough treatment meted out to southern "brigands" when the Savoys became rulers of a newly-united Italy in the 19th century.

There is added hostility in the South because Naples was the seat of the rival Bourbon dynasty until it was displaced by the Savoys. Outside Naples cathedral, where the Savoys are expected to attend Mass today, the hard-Right Movimento Sociale is planning a sit-in, demanding that the family "apologise" for their wrongs.

An impulsive man, the present-day Victor Emmanuel, who has renounced all claims to the throne, did little to enhance the family reputation when, five years ago, he described Mussolini's racial laws - which eventually led to the deportation of 8,000 Jews to concentration camps - as "not all that bad".

Some, at least, were clamouring to see him. Naples socialites battled for invitations to drinks at the Circolo dell'Unione, the city's stuffiest club, or to a gala dinner at the glitzy Vesuvius Hotel, where the Savoys are staying.

But to the Savoys' astonishment, the city's mayor, Rosa Russo Jervolino, turned down a 15,000-euro (£10,000) donation by the prince to a city hospice, claiming it was a publicity stunt. She said that the family had wanted a plaque unveiled in Victor Emmanuel's honour. "Charity must be done quietly and not ostentatiously," she said.

The Neo-Bourbon Movement in Naples, meanwhile, printed thousands of stickers showing the Savoy coat of arms surmounted with a "no entry" sign and the words "Indietro Savoia" - "Savoys, go home".

Professor Gennaro De Crescenzo, the movement's president, said: "The South has nothing to celebrate with the Savoys' return. From unification onwards, they have spelt nothing but death, repression and the plunder of our resources."
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Please, can anyone tell me if there is a connection between savoy royal family and the famous international group of hotels savoy?I mean is the royal family investing its money in these hotels?thank you.
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PARIS - DECEMBER 8: Prince Victor Emmanuel de Savoie with his wife Marina attends The Best Awards at the Pavillon Gabriel on December 8, 2004 in Paris, France.
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Old 08-28-2005, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by asma
Please, can anyone tell me if there is a connection between savoy royal family and the famous international group of hotels savoy?I mean is the royal family investing its money in these hotels?thank you.
no, not at all, they would have never invested in hotels.
Old 08-28-2005, 07:33 AM
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Savoy Palace & Hotel

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Please, can anyone tell me if there is a connection between the Savoy Royal Family and the famous international group of Savoy hotels?
The first Savoy Hotel was in London in the Strand and was built by the owner of the nearby Savoy Theatre. The first manager of the hotel was César Ritz, who later spun off his own brand. The hotel's name came from the Savoy Palace which had occupied the site in Plantagenet times (John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster lived there). Henry III granted the land to Peter, Count of Savoy (who was the Queen's uncle) and he built the palace.
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can someone tell me why the italian royals don't get along? If the answer was already posted.. please direct me to the thread...

Old 09-08-2005, 03:55 AM
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Savoy v Savoy-Aosta

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can someone tell me why the italian royals don't get along? If the answer was already posted.. please direct me to the thread...
thanks. Queens
The House of Savoy is a bit thin on males. In fact there are only four:

Prince Vittorio Emanuele, son of King Umberto II;
his son Prince Emanuele Filiberto, VE's only child
Prince Amedeo, 5th Duke of Aosta;
his only son Prince Aimone (who is to marry Princess Olga of Greece next year)

The main branch of the House of Savoy (Umberto and his family) were subject to the Law of Exile, while the Aostas remained in Italy.

The Duke of Aosta has not declared himself the Head of the Royal House of Savoy, but some Italian monarchists see him as representing the true Royal tradition. They were not impressed with the "unequal" marriage of VE and Marina Doria (nor with EF's marriage to Clotilde), and even less impressed with Vittorio Emanuele's general behaviour. VE's stock fell when he shot dead a man he thought was tampering with his boat a few years ago (he was acquitted of murder), and his behaviour at the Spanish Royal Wedding last year confirmed this negative opinion in some minds. So just the fact that the Duke of Aosta is highly regarded and considered a very Royal gentleman is enough for Vittorio Emanuele to resent him, and to feel threatened by the Duke and his family.
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Status of the Italian royalty

I thought the King was restored to his throne in 2002 (?). Why is this forum under "non-reigning" houses?
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I thought the King was restored to his throne in 2002 (?). Why is this forum under "non-reigning" houses?
Are you kidding? Italy is still a republic with President Ciampi as the head of state. You must be refering to the agreement the Savoys signed in order to return to Italian soil during that year. Besides, the current Italian PM and his media empire might have a thing or two to say about restoring a Savoy to the throne....
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Prince and Princesse Victor Emmanuel de Savoie attend the The Best Awards 2005 party at Hotel Bristol on December 12, 2005 in Paris, France. The awards are for the best dressed men and women of the past year

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And that's a peculiarity of the Carignano family (the real House of Savoy died out in mid- XIX century) excell: they're great escapologists!
My Savoia genealogy said to me Savoia-Carignano was their name since the 16th century. And the real House of Savoy is not died at all. Their are all Savoia by the males.
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My Savoia genealogy said to me Savoia-Carignano was their name since the 16th century. And the real House of Savoy is not died at all. Their are all Savoia by the males.
They are all members of the House of Savoy, but from a distant branch. The common ancestor is Carlo Emanuele I, Duke of Savoy (1562-1630). His elder son Vittorio Amedeo continued the Ducal line (who became Kings of Sardinia), while a younger son was titled Prince of Carignano.

In 1831 the main line died out with Carlo Felice, King of Sardinia. He was succeeded as King by his Carignano kinsman Carlo Alberto, a direct descendent in the 7th generation of Carlo Emanuele I. The gap was 201 years!
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My Savoia genealogy said to me Savoia-Carignano was their name since the 16th century. And the real House of Savoy is not died at all. Their are all Savoia by the males.
Our history books say the Savoia Family ended with Carlo Felice, who produced no heirs, so the throne went to his nephew Carlo Alberto Principe di Carignano.

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