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Old 06-26-2006, 12:58 PM
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Rome's aristocracy shuns disgraced prince


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060626...e_060626135723
I just read this article and realized that the prince should have been more conscious of the fact that he was allowed to return to Italy after many years of exile and should have behaved in a way that would not make anyone regret re-admitting him to the country. Now whomever allowed him to return must feel just awful. The heir to this dynasty will have to work incredibly hard to restore this family to respectibility.
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Old 06-27-2006, 02:17 AM
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Yes, Heidi, I totally agree. It should be very sad if now, they must be forced to leave. :( After so many years of fight to return to Italy!

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Old 06-27-2006, 08:22 AM
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Yes, Heidi, I totally agree. It should be very sad if now, they must be forced to leave. :( After so many years of fight to return to Italy!.
The article was about the possibility (based on two quotes) of the Prince being expelled from the Hunting Circle private club, not being forced to leave Italy.
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Old 06-27-2006, 12:11 PM
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The article was about the possibility (based on two quotes) of the Prince being expelled from the Hunting Circle private club, not being forced to leave Italy.
I wouldn't believe everything Prince Giovannelli says... He's a person who's always putting in an appearence everywhere, mostly television...
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Old 06-27-2006, 09:52 PM
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The article was about the possibility (based on two quotes) of the Prince being expelled from the Hunting Circle private club, not being forced to leave Italy.
I understood the article perfectly. I was speaking about his fragile situation right now, not about the article. If something of this accusation is proved to be true, his situation could turn very bad. Hope not. :(

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Old 06-27-2006, 11:34 PM
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The situation is beyond control and will escalate as the trial starts. I'm sure it will be a big media circus and Victor Emanuel will not recover from it even if the charges are not proven.

When I read that the aristrocracy is now abandoning him all I thought is that passage about those who are free of sin cast the first stone. In my state we have so many scandals involving politicians and it's the same reaction. Last week we had a mayor of a town cry on TV when someone exposed him in the newspapers from conducting drug deals from his Town office. Then there is a week long uproar and the news die out. People of certain political or social status jump into the opportunity to start the mob when they, themselves, probably had worse skeletons in their closet to hide from the public.
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Old 06-28-2006, 01:55 AM
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Wow, I've been out of the loop and I'm just now hearing about all this. This is such a disgrace for the House of Savoy. I am a fan of Italian royalty and wish that they still had a king, but thank heavens VE isnt king. I think him, his wife and his son should not even be considered royalty because they sure dont act like it. I can only imagine what Umberto and Marie Jose would think about all this.
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Old 06-28-2006, 01:04 PM
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I can only imagine what Umberto and Marie Jose would think about all this
Umberto cared a lot for his native country, when he died in exile in Portugal he was reported that his last word was "Italia". He also lived in a house he named Villa Italia.
Though I only read about him on books and mags, for obvious reasons, I think he was a dignified man, unlike his father, and now his son. He payed for his family crimes. He hated Mussolini and Fascism, and for this reason he was spied on. He was the only one in the Savoia family to speak Italian properly.
Maria José was rumored to have been in touch with the Resistance and to have taken part in a plot to kill Mussolini. She had the gut to confront Hitler during an official dinner in Rome.
Perhaps VE has taken from his grandfather. His parents must be spinning in their graves.
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Old 07-14-2006, 07:34 AM
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At Olycom.it you can find new pictures with prince Emanuele of Savoy- he's leaving the restaurant "Bolognese" together with his wife and some journalist

http://archive.olycom.it/olycom/offe...do?idoff=25983
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Old 07-14-2006, 09:32 AM
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the person I feel really sorry for is Emmanuele Filliberto, his dad is accused and could be convicted of a heinous crime; his family has just shafted him; the rest of the aristocracy is baying for his dad and his head nd his wife is about to drop another child very soon. The stress he must be going through must be immence and he hasn't done anything to deserve this. I just hope he , his wife and kids can survive this with their dignity intact. Good thing I'm not him because if I was I'd have started plotting on how to get every one back for what they'd done and that includes VE.
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Old 07-16-2006, 11:30 PM
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I was hoping that Gabriela would take charge of the family, but now I see that even today the Council of a non exixtent monarchy keeps a very much existent chauvinism alive, even in 2006.
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Old 07-18-2006, 01:06 AM
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I think you will agree that Vittorio Emanuele is as much a cause of this mess as is Amedeo & Gabriella.
Gabriella? I think you mean Prince Victor Emanuel's wife Marina Doria?

Maria Gabriella is his sister and there is no love lost between them, and even less between Princess Maria Gabriella and her sister-in-law Marina Doria. From what I read in one of the links Gabriella blames Marina's ambition for all of her brother's problems. Not that he is a saint with halo and wings.

quote from this article :

"...His three sisters have publicly distanced themselves from him in protest at his alleged use of the Savoy family’s chivalric Order of St Maurice and Saint Lazarus for money-making purposes rather than for charity. We did well to distance ourselves from him,” his sister Maria Gabriella was quoted as saying yesterday. “From today, he’s just Mr Savoy to me...”
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Old 07-18-2006, 04:03 AM
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The prince Emanuele Filiberto didn’t use his site www.disavoia.org ( the latest information here dates to the beginning of prince’s Vittorio Emanuele stay in jail) to express his concerns about prince’s Savoia- Aosta decision; he just only wrote letter to www.monarchici.org. So prince Emanuele in short thanked Coordinamento Monarchico Italiano for their support and for having stand up for Casa Savoia. The prince Emanuele has characterized action taken by prince Aosta as “illegal act” and hopes that in short future the situation will be cleared up.
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Old 07-18-2006, 09:23 AM
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Tosca,
I enjoyed reading your last comment on the Umberto and Marie Jose. Definetly a thought to contemplate.
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Old 07-18-2006, 10:11 AM
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I think you will agree that Vittorio Emanuele is as much a cause of this mess as is Amedeo & Gabriella.
Absolutely I do. However, the intelligent (not to mention ethical) thing for all interested parties to do would be first of all to wait and see the outcome of the latest charges brought against Vittorio Emmanuele.

What has been done instead is a rush to judgement and a hasty and illegal action that has the effect of kicking a man while he is down and, thus, making him into more of a victim than a perpetrator.
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Old 07-18-2006, 10:17 AM
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Gabriella? I think you mean Prince Victor Emanuel's wife Marina Doria?

Maria Gabriella is his sister and there is no love lost between them, and even less between Princess Maria Gabriella and her sister-in-law Marina Doria. From what I read in one of the links Gabriella blames Marina's ambition for all of her brother's problems. Not that he is a saint with halo and wings.

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"...His three sisters have publicly distanced themselves from him in protest at his alleged use of the Savoy family’s chivalric Order of St Maurice and Saint Lazarus for money-making purposes rather than for charity. We did well to distance ourselves from him,” his sister Maria Gabriella was quoted as saying yesterday. “From today, he’s just Mr Savoy to me...”
You are right I should've included Marina in that too. However I say Gabriella because she has publically bashed (an example would be her calling him an alcoholic) her brother and that obviously will make some people think less of VE because the comments are made from his sister. If Gabriella was perhaps more diplomatic when dealing with her relatives (both brother & cousin) then perhaps she could have helped to reconciliate and/or stop this whole split from happening.
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Old 07-18-2006, 10:20 AM
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Absolutely I do. However, the intelligent (not to mention ethical) thing for all interested parties to do would be first of all to wait and see the outcome of the latest charges brought against Vittorio Emmanuele.

What has been done instead is a rush to judgement and a hasty and illegal action that has the effect of kicking a man while he is down and, thus, making him into more of a victim than a perpetrator.
You are right in that it really isn't fair to condemn someone before they are found guilty of something. Unfortunately in VE's case he has those tapes (contents of which have been made public) going against him.
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Old 07-18-2006, 11:49 AM
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[quote=Queen Amina]"the person I feel really sorry for is Emmanuele Filliberto, his dad is accused and could be convicted of a heinous crime...I just hope he , his wife and kids can survive this with their dignity intact."

Queen Amina,

I totally agree with you. This is a very public and humiliating experience for

Casa Savoia. Emmanuel Filiberto will probably spend many, many years

receovering from the fallout and damage of this scandal. I know that would

put alot of pressure on him, his wife and family, but it may turn out right in

the end.
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:13 PM
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Umberto cared a lot for his native country, when he died in exile in Portugal he was reported that his last word was "Italia". He also lived in a house he named Villa Italia.
Though I only read about him on books and mags, for obvious reasons, I think he was a dignified man, unlike his father, and now his son. He payed for his family crimes. He hated Mussolini and Fascism, and for this reason he was spied on. He was the only one in the Savoia family to speak Italian properly.
Maria José was rumored to have been in touch with the Resistance and to have taken part in a plot to kill Mussolini. She had the gut to confront Hitler during an official dinner in Rome.
Perhaps VE has taken from his grandfather. His parents must be spinning in their graves.
Marie José's mother was queen Elisabeth of Belgians, whose nickname was, if I remember well, the Red Queen. There is nothing surprising that her daughter was opposed to Mussolini.
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:23 PM
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Marie José's mother was queen Elisabeth of Belgians, whose nickname was, if I remember well, the Red Queen. There is nothing surprising that her daughter was opposed to Mussolini.
I read in a book by Montanelli, that Maria José was also nicknamed The Red Queen, and she was rumored to have been supporting the Italian Socialist Party.
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