Kingdom of The Two Sicilies and the Royal House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies

[Warren]

Originally Posted by morhange

I just read on Wikipedia that Infante Carlos considers the marriage of his only son to be morganatic... But I looked at the children of Prince Ferdinando, and his only son, Carlo, just has daughters. So who, if anyone, would the title fall to in say, twenty years, if Carlo still has daughters and Don Pedro (or his sons) aren't allowed to inherit?

Whether the marriage is morganatic or not (or more correctly "non-dynastic"), Pedro will still inherit. The question is over Jaime, Pedro's eldest son, who was born in 1993. The other sons, Juan and Pablo, were born after their parents' marriage in 2001. As Benjamin has noted, Pedro's wife Sofia appears increasingly accepted.

My guess as to who would succeed to the Headship of the Royal House if both the Castro and Calabria branches failed is Prince Antonio (1929- ), who married Duchess Elisabeth of Württemberg. They have two sons, the eldest being Prince Franz (Francesco) (1960- ) who is married to Countess Alexandra von Schönborn-Wiesentheid and has a son and a daughter. The younger son is Prince Gennaro, born in 1966.

After them would be Prince Casimir (1938- ) who is married to Princess Maria Cristina of Savoy-Aosta; they have two sons, Luigi and Allesandro.

[Benjamin]

I wonder if Infante Carlos has retroactively recognized the marriage. On the family's website, his son's wife is referred to as "H.R.H. D. Sofia, Duchess of Noto." If she was considered unequal she wouldn't be styled as such, would she?

THE DUKE OF NOTO - The Royal House of Bourbon - Two Sicilies

[rosou]

I don't know if I got it right, but it seems the Duke of Noto's eldest son was born 8 years before his parents wedding. Is it correct? If so, Pr Pedro was quite young when he was a father for the first time, wasn't he? 25 or 26, I guess. His children are princes of Bourbon Two Siciles, but none among them will be able to be Head of the House?

[zarat]

Real Casa di Borbone delle Due Sicilie - Annuncio
Eventually there's the information about duke's death at their official website

[Alison20]

It seems to me that you can't give up your rights to one throne (France) and marry into another family (Spain) with a reasonable expectation of getting close to the throne there, and then decide that you want to ignore all this at a later date.

I believe the last genuine claimant of the Bourbon line died without male heir in 1936. At this point, the right that the Bourbons had to the French throne moved across to the Orleans Branch. Louis Alphonse's line is a part of the Spanish Royal Family and out of the French one.

I believe it is the same for The Bourbon Two Sicilies line. The second son of Pr Alfonso, Head of the Royal House of BTS, Pr Carlo, became an Infante of Spain on his marriage to Infanta Maria de las Mercedes of Spain, and gave up any rights to the BTS line. This, as with the French case, was because the Spanish line kept looking as if it was going to die out, and there were only female heirs. When these Infantas married it was important that their decendants were only heirs to the Spanish throne and didn't muddy the waters by also being in line to any other throne . It is wrong to say, therefore, that Pr Don Carlos (who is married to Pss Anne of Orleans) is the Head of the Royal House of BTS. (The Don in his title gives it away - he is in the Spanish RF.) When Pr Alfonso of BTS's eldest son (Ferdinando) died without a male heir (1960), the right to be Head of the RH of BTS skipped over Carlo's line (who had 'abdicated') and landed on Pr Ranieri, the third son. With the death of Pr Ranieri's only son, Ferdinando, just recently, the Headship of this family passes to Pr Carlo. He is Fernando's only son - and at present he only has 2 daughters, I believe. So there may be problems with the succession in the future if this situation does not change!

I do not believe that King Juan Carlos of Spain supports the claim of either of his family members to the hypothetical 'thrones' of France or the Two Sicilies. After all their ancestors gave up their claims to become members of the Spanish Royal House.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Alison20

I do not believe that King Juan Carlos of Spain supports the claim of either of his family members to the hypothetical 'thrones' of France or the Two Sicilies.

Without gettring involved in the dispute over the rightful head of Bourbon-Two Silciles, the decison of King Juan Carlos to honour Don Carlos, Duke of Calabria, as an Infant of Spain in 1994 made a most definite statement as to whom he believed to be the Head of the Royal House.

[Thribette]

In 1983, the heads of the French (Alphonse of Bourbon, duke of Anjou and of Cadiz) and Spanish (king Juan-Carlos) royal houses (and of Parma ducal house? Not sure) published (in italian, later in spanish with a change in the order of signatures...) a joint statement, asserting that the head of the Two-Sicilies royal house, was the infant don Carlos.

It is not a proof of his legitimity, some kings of France or Spain have already failed in finding the right heir of a neighbour kingdom, but this shows the position of king Juan-Carlos.

More information here (site in English) :

Two Sicilies Succession, detailed examination of the dispute (Borbone-Due Sicilie disputa)
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[Next Star]

Originally Posted by Thribette

In 1983, the heads of the French (Alphonse of Bourbon, duke of Anjou and of Cadiz) and Spanish (king Juan-Carlos) royal houses (and of Parma ducal house? Not sure) published (in italian, later in spanish with a change in the order of signatures...) a joint statement, asserting that the head of the Two-Sicilies royal house, was the infant don Carlos.

It is not a proof of his legitimity, some kings of France or Spain have already failed in finding the right heir of a neighbour kingdom, but this shows the position of king Juan-Carlos.

More information here (site in English) :

Two Sicilies Succession, detailed examination of the dispute (Borbone-Due Sicilie disputa)
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MAfan if you scroll on this link I am posting from another member you will see what your asking about is being mention in this written article.
There seems to be a problem with some royal houses having two people claim the headship I hope this gets resolved and quick.

[iceflower]

Princesse Anne Bourbon of two Sicilies at the funeral of
Filip Nikolic, who had been a young actor and singer,
Longjumeau, France, September 24, 2009

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[iceflower]

Princess Anne of Bourbon Sicile and an unidentified guest
attend the Montblanc Paris Flagship Boutique Launch -
Inauguration Cocktail party on October 1, 2009 in Paris,
France.


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[iakynthi]

The man who married Princess Victoria of the Two Sicilies is Markos Nomikos,a member of a well-known Greek family of shipowners.His paternal house is in Kifisia,one of the richest suburbs of Athens.A great party took place there after the wedding in Spain.I know that most of the GRF members attended the wedding.I was wondering how old is Princess Victoria.Because it seems to me that she is much younger than her husband,although they make a beautiful couple together.If you have any information about them,please share them with us.They are a low-profile couple and we don't see them often.Thanks in advance!

[Warren]

Princess Victoria was born in 1976, Marco Nomikos in 1965. They married in 2003.

[iakynthi]

Thanks,Warren!I have already found information about them.It's true,Victoria is 11 years younger!And they already have 3 children.

[Marengo]

Prince Pedro of the Two Sicilies and his wife Sofía Landaluce y Melgarejo had a 5th child on November 12th. It is a girl with the name Sofia and the girl was born in Madrid. Pedro is the only son of Infante Carlos of Spain, DUke of Calabria and Princess Anne of France.

Source: monarchen.nl, more information in Dutch here.

[HMTLove23]

The other Children Include...

Jaime b. 1992 (born before Marriage)
Juan b. 2003 (the Couple Married in 2001)
Pablo b. 2004
Pedro b. 2005
and Now Sofia b. 2008

[Marengo]

Princess Teresa of Bourbon-Two-Sicilies has another granddaughter. Her daughter Delia Moreno y de Borbón and Álvaro de Ledesma Sanchiz got a girl on 5 January. The name of the girl is still unknown.

Princess Teresa is married to Don Iñigo Moreno y de Arteaga, marques of Laula, and is the eldest sister of Infante Carlos of Spain, Duke of Calabria.

source: Monarchen.nl - de Europese vorstenhuizen

[Alberto2244]

SiciliaInformazioni | La Principessa Beatrice di Borbone in Sicilia. L'incontro col Rettore Lagalla

And for the pictures click here:
SiciliaInformazioni | La Principessa Beatrice di Borbone in Sicilia. L'incontro col Rettore Lagalla

[MAfan]

A question about Infante Don Carlos: isn't his title of Infante of Spain in contraddiction with the 1759 Pragmatic Sanction of Charles III, if he retains his Two Sicilian titles?

[iceflower]

Princess Beatrice Bourbon of two Sicilies and Princess Anne Bourbon
of two Sicilies attend the 15th Grand Gala of the association Unit
Capetiens at the Cercle Interalliee in Paris, France, June 24, 2009


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