King Vittorio Emanuele III (1869-1947) and Queen Elena neé Montenegro (1873-1952)

mknyazev · #1 03-02-2006, 08:11 PM

I'd appreciate portrets and detailed info on Elena del Montenegro (most of all) and her husband.

Thanks.

Toledo · #2 03-02-2006, 10:05 PM

in italian but with pictures of the beautiful Elena di Savoia (Elena de Montenegro)

Elena del Montenegro

a photo seated on the throne

and a google picture search on her

**Warren** · #3 03-03-2006, 01:43 AM

pics from VAT and Casa Savoia

Queen Elena of Italy (1873-1952), wife of King Vittorio Emanuele III, daughter of Nicholas II, King of Montenegro

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Tosca · #4 03-03-2006, 09:52 AM

My Mom, who was a kid when Italy was still a monarchy, told me that people used to call her " a shepherd king's daughter. I also read that her mother-in-law, Queen Margherita usually referred to her as the shepherd-girl.

Tosca · #5 03-03-2006, 09:57 AM

You can find more infor about Vittorio Emanuele III by clicking on the link below:
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki...l_III_of_Italy

Toledo · #6 03-03-2006, 10:03 AM

That's interesting detail as a royal trivia. Gives us an idea of how the Montenegro family was viewed by more established royal families. In the Russian section, the part on the Grand Duchess Maria's Bragation mother, I read that a similar problem arose when some grand dukes married a couple of Montenegro princesses. The question was then if they are an equal marriage to a royal/imperial prince or not.
But the nickname you mentioned throws a new light that the Montenegro princess that married Victor Emanuel was not that welcome as an equal in Italy.

**Warren** · #7 03-03-2006, 11:46 AM

Queen Elena and Grand Duchesses Militza and Anastasia were the daughters of a reigning monarch and therefore equal. However, royal equality in rank and status did not make them social equals in the minds of the insufferably snobbish, due to their Balkan Slavic ancestry.

Tosca · #8 03-03-2006, 11:54 AM

According to what late journalist/historian Indro Montanelli wrote in his book "History of Italy" the king of Montenegro was not a reigning monarch , but just the most powerful chieftain of the Montenegro area.

**Warren** · #9 03-03-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tosca

According to what late journalist/historian Indro Montanelli wrote in his book "History of Italy" the king of Montenegro was not a reigning monarch , but just the most powerful chieftain of the Montenegro area.

True to a degree, but every dynasty has to start somewhere (the Grimaldis were described as pirates).
The Turkish Sultan recognised Montenegro's independence in 1799 and Russia recognised the Vladika (elected but hereditary bishop/ruler) as a Sovereign Prince in 1852. Prince Peter declared himself King in 1910. The dynasty of Petrovic-Njegos had ruled sinced 1696, which is quite a bit longer than the Bonapartes, or Bernadottes.

Toledo · #10 03-03-2006, 05:23 PM

Kind of put into perspective the double standard between royals who are seeking for a bride. Montenegro was geographically bigger than some German states and in an important spot in Europe, yet their royals were viewed as upstarts compared to their equivalents in the German states? Ironically, the Montenegro princesses were viewed as the most beautiful royal catch in Europe, from what I get from my books praising their looks and height. Something inherited by Gabriela os Savoy, sister of the claimant to the Italian throne. I saw a picture of her (with a young and skinny Juan Carlos) in Vanidades magazine a couple of years ago when she was in her teens, circa late 50's, and she was like a modern day statuesque supermodel. A family trait I doubt she inherited from the Savoy side of the family. She was the girlfriend of a young Juan Carlos and later I read she even bewitched the Shah of Iran with her looks.

mknyazev · #11 03-03-2006, 07:04 PM

Thanks for replies and pictures of Elena.
I know that she deslikes Mussolini. I'd like to learn more. I live in Russia and there is no info on Italian royalty here. I'm interested in her life in exile, her interests\hobbies, palaces, her support to her daughter Giovanna and grandson Simeon... I'd like to have a portrait od Giovanna too.

Toledo · #12 03-04-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mknyazev

Thanks for replies and pictures of Elena.
I know that she deslikes Mussolini. I'd like to learn more. I live in Russia and there is no info on Italian royalty here. I'm interested in her life in exile, her interests\hobbies, palaces, her support to her daughter Giovanna and grandson Simeon... I'd like to have a portrait od Giovanna too.

Well, we can't help on the portrait but we can help on tracking down interesting sources of information about her life. Here are some things on her to help you, the sites mention her and the people associated with her life. Happy reading:

http://www.thepeerage.com/p10406.htm

E-Books: Suitors and Suppliants: The Little Nations at Versailles
From the above E-Books link, a more specific search:
King Nicholas of Montenegro and Essad Pasha of Albania: The Black Mountain Folk vs. the Sons of the Eagle

titles of available books and articles about them: http://www.picrare.com/Royalty_Diges...tentsItaly.htm

An interview with Princess Milena Petrović-Njegoš Thompson

And the best find of the day, to my surprise there is even a VHS tape available titled "The Kingdom of Montenegro" : VHS. I will put in in my shopping list myself

Hope that helps your hobby research so you become our TRForums' Elena of Montenegro Expert soon! :)

Tosca · #13 06-12-2007, 12:53 PM

Queen Elena's portrait (source: cnicg)

Tosca · #14 02-26-2009, 05:46 AM

A picture of King Vittorio Emanuele III and Queen Elena taken in Rome in 1905, where the King appears to be ironizing on his short height:

La Domenica del Corriere