King Umberto II (1904-1983) and Queen Marie-José (1906-2001)

[Warren]

As we have no means of verifying the truth or otherwise of this matter, the photographs and details of the alleged child have been removed.

Warren
TRF Administrator

[PaulineMaria]

In reply to the comment made by a previous member who wrote:

"All this story is curious...a secret son from an unknown woman...in a period when he was said to be homosexual because of he didn't date any woman...and considering that the King was a very religious man, and moreover married...I'm not totally persuaded.
It sounds me like the story of the "son" of HIM the Shah Reza Pahlavi and Princess Maria Gabriella after their "secret wedding"..."



My Reply:
It seems there are assumptions that do not apply. It is important not to try make something different to fit - because the opportunity to discover truth will be blocked. In my reply factual information is presented and my views.

As already stated, the vatican is aware of this gentleman and I am of the understanding that two members of the family have even spoken to him. A DNA of Umberto II would be indeed be revealing - and bring an end to this.

Personally I hold strong values on fidelity and marriage as being sacred. There is the matter of also waiting til after a wedding to have a child. It is not unknown for Royalty to have illegitimate children and also relationships outside their marrage. I understand Dimitri is from a relationship with a noble lady after Umberto II and his wife Queen Maria separated. Respect to fellow members, given the topic my sharing is appropriate.

The following photograph is the enlargement of the earlier one posted. This was taken in the Vatican. As I already said he is known; by name.

[PaulineMaria]

Originally Posted by Tosca

I had never heard of any illegitimate children of King Umberto before, neither did the Italian press ever mentioned. Do you think if there were any love children of the King, wouldn't those tabs or cheap mags like Novella 2000 or Eva have been in their element?
I recall they had plenty of articles about Princess Maria Beatrice and actor Maurizio Arena's scandalous relationship...

Supposing that Umberto had a child out of the wedlock, he couldn't possibly be in line for the succession.
And since this man has never been officially recognized as the son of King Umberto, this remains pure speculation, so, please, let's stay on topic and move on.

Much as I appreciate your knowledge of what goes on with other Royals, Please understand that I am sharing from a compassionate heart and know factually that Dimitri would Never invite any scandal as he like his father is a man of Honor. His situation is indeed quite real and so is his heritage. The matter has been brought to your attention, unfortunately I had to reload my computer and lost a copy of the Newspaper Article heading in his name Dimitri di Savoia. If I can locate another I will post it.

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to share, in truth. However I prefer not to be drawn to discuss infidelities or debate sexual preferences. All birth records related to this gentleman are held in the archives.....

I Honor Umberto II who after leaving Italy was still much respected and Loved by people. Having spoken to Dimitri he has indicated certain matters that are not up for public discussion...Having seen documents, I personally have no reason to believe this to be anything but the truth.

As someone who is a personal advisor to Royals and Nobles, a trained holistic health therapist, counsellor, hypnotherapist psychotherapist and personal coaching; as a consultant - I have posted with integrity. Out of compassion, I have given my time for free and extensive research applied to put the pieces of this together. As someone who is regarded as a voice of reason, I was asked to write something - and will be writing an official article in due course.

My best wishes to you all.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by PaulineMaria

As someone who is a personal advisor to Royals and Nobles, a trained holistic health therapist, counsellor, hypnotherapist psychotherapist and personal coaching; as a consultant -

Notwithstanding these credentials, as Tosca has previously stated we will not pursue this subject as it remains an unproven and unsubstantiated claim.

Warren
TRF Administrator

[espejor]

Very sad the story of Maria Jose =( Do you know if she returned to Italy during the impossed exile imposed by the republican government?

Originally Posted by Marchesina

she spoke italian very very well, she didn't seem to be born in a french-speaking family, as Saxe-Coburg-Gotha are.

It was his obligation! She was the Queen of Italy. The "less" thing that she would have to do is to learn Italian!

I'm very impressed for the history of this woman. It's very curious to see how all the royal couples (or at least, a lot of them) were divorced when the exile arrived (for example, Alfonso XIII and Victoria Eugenia too, and V.E. loved so much Alfonso XIII).

Originally Posted by MAfan

All this story is curious...a secret son from an unknown woman...in a period when he was said to be homosexual because of he didn't date any woman...and considering that the King was a very religious man, and moreover married...I'm not totally persuaded.
It sounds me like the story of the "son" of HIM the Shah Reza Pahlavi and Princess Maria Gabriella after their "secret wedding"...

This story if totally false! Please, let me laugh!

The Shah divorced officially of Soraya in March of 1958 and he married Farah Diba un December of 1959, but the engagement was announced in November and he kenew Farah some month ago (I'm not sure if it was in the beggining of 1959 or in the last months of 1958). It's totally impossible a "secret wedding" between them!

But it's true that there were rumours (or, at least an interest of the Shah for Maria Gabriella, or that says the magazines of the moment) that the Shah was interested in her. "L'observatore Romano" said that a union between a catholic princess and a muslim and divorced king was very dangerous for the global catholitism.

Paris Match published a report (8 pages) about this topic in 1958. I hope to buy it soon =D

Regards!!

[MAfan]

Queen Maria José returned in Italy privately on 1 march 1988, to attend a meeting about St. Anselmo of Aosta.

About Her excellent Italian, we have to remember that before being Queen, She studied in Firenze soon after the first World War, and that She had lived in Italy for 16 years before the exile. However, her first language was not french, but german, because Her Mother Queen Elisabeth was german-born.

About the separation from the King, they never divorced, but only lived separated because of an eye illness of the Queen, who was forced to live in Switzerland beause of the climate; the matter was that the King could not stay in a country neighbouring with Italy for more then 15 days every time, so He could not live with Maria José.

Originally Posted by espejor

This story if totally false!

I know that is false: the Shah asked for marrying Maria Gabriella, but she and King Umberto refused, because of he was a muslim and too old for her.
However, a man, Josef Monhud Palhevi Savoia, claims to be the son of the Shah and of the Princess...

[espejor]

Originally Posted by MAfan

I know that is false: the Shah asked for marrying Maria Gabriella, but she and King Umberto refused, because of he was a muslim and too old for her.
However, a man, Josef Monhud Palhevi Savoia, claims to be the son of the Shah and of the Princess...

Do you know why the Shah asked for Maria Habriella? Did he know her before of the divorce with Soraya?

Regards!!

[MAfan]

I don't know it exactly; I know that the relations between Italian and Persian Royal Families were and, I think, still are narrow; maybe the Shah asked for marrying Maria Gabriella because she was the daughter of the King of Italy, a nice young woman, and coming from a fertile family...

[Alberto2244]

Libero News - Le trame dell’ultima regina per salvare la monarchia

Translation into English here:
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[MAfan]

Rai.TV - Enigma - Maria José, l'ultima regina
Here is the link to the video of italian tv show "Enigma" about Her Majesty Queen Maria José. HRH Princess Maria Gabriella attended the show, talking about Her Mother.
Only the first half of the show (55 min. ca) is about the Queen; the video is in Italian.

[amedea]

Rai.TV - La grande storia - Umberto II di Savoia
Last week, Italian state tv broadcasted this documentary on Umberto II. Almost 2 hours speaking exactly of all the matters we disuss in this thread. The documentary was made by historian and prince Nicola Caracciolo di Castagneto. It contains parts of the historic interviews of Nicola Caracciolo to Umberto II and to Maria Josè; the others interview should be new: princess Maria Gabriella, Amedeo the duke of Savoy, king Simeone of Bulgaria, Elisabeth Janssens and prince Michel of Yugoslavia. Simeone, Elisabeth and Michel speak all, surprisingly, a perfect Italian, much better that the one of VE, EF and Maria Gabriella herself! I had never seen Elisabeth before and I find her so classy. She even has a top model-like body: so tall and thin. I have seen prince Michel for the first time too, but I can't say he is a new face: he looks similar to his twin brother and to his maternal grand-father the king. He is a very elegant man too.

[MAfan]

Well, I've been surprised too for the perfect italian of King Simeone, but I can't tell that Princess Maria Gabriella's italian is bad...

[Marengo]

Princess Maria Gabriella has organised an exposition of her mothers dresses, in cooperation with the Mona Bismarck foundation.

Mona Bismarck Foundation ~ Exhibition Space

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The exposition is from October 7th to December 12th at the Mona Bismarck foundation, 34, avenue de New York, in Paris.

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