King Umberto II (1904-1983) and Queen Marie-José (1906-2001)

[EmpressRouge]

It seems their marriage was the last royal marriage that was truly arranged and for political reason. By the 20th century, even though royals still married each other, they usually had some say in whom they married. Even Marie-Jose's brother, Leopold III, married Astrid for love.
I wonder if the Belgian royal family held on to conservative views on marriage longer than other families. Wasn't Josephine-Charlotte's marriage to Grand Duke Jean also arranged?

[Leslie2006]

It was partially for political reasons, and partially because Marie Jose and Bepo got along well. Alot of that, though, was MJ's mother's fault. She made Bepo out to be the typical heroic prince charming that every little girl dreams of. So when it came time for MJ to marry, the families supported it and MJ thought she would be marrying the love of her life. However, it didn't exactly turn out that way.

[Tosca]

A few pics of King Umberto II in Cascais (Portugal) from 1975 (source: La Domenica del Corriere)

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[Menarue]

Originally Posted by Leslie2006

It was partially for political reasons, and partially because Marie Jose and Bepo got along well. Alot of that, though, was MJ's mother's fault. She made Bepo out to be the typical heroic prince charming that every little girl dreams of. So when it came time for MJ to marry, the families supported it and MJ thought she would be marrying the love of her life. However, it didn't exactly turn out that way.

It certainly didn´t, she wasn´t expecting what she got for sure.

[Benjamin]

YouTube - La regina Maria José parla della guerra

[Marchesina]

she spoke italian very very well, she didn't seem to be born in a french-speaking family, as Saxe-Coburg-Gotha are.

[MAfan]

Originally Posted by Marchesina

she spoke italian very very well, she didn't seem to be born in a french-speaking family, as Saxe-Coburg-Gotha are.

She had lived in Italy for 16 years, before the exile, and she had also studied in Firenze in her youthness...

[Marchesina]

Originally Posted by MAfan

She had lived in Italy for 16 years, before the exile, and she had also studied in Firenze in her youthness...

I already knew this, I read it in a book years ago: Santa Annunziata,isn't it?

[PaulineMaria]

Originally Posted by MAfan

King Umberto II declared that the Head of the House can not change the Succession Law, so even if VE was the Head of the Family and EF his successor, the next in the Line of Succession remain Amedeo and Aimone.

What if King Umberto 11 fathered another son from another relationship, after he left Italy? How would this apply with the Succession Law, if at all?

I have been reading up on some information about this torn family. It is actually quite sad to see...I pray for them all to find peace within.

[MAfan]

Originally Posted by PaulineMaria

What if King Umberto 11 fathered another son from another relationship, after he left Italy? How would this apply with the Succession Law, if at all?

I have been reading up on some information about this torn family. It is actually quite sad to see...I pray for them all to find peace within.

Well, since he was married to Queen Maria Josè, a son from another woman would have been an illegitimate one, and not in the line of succession.

[PaulineMaria]

Originally Posted by MAfan

Well, since he was married to Queen Maria Josè, a son from another woman would have been an illegitimate one, and not in the line of succession.

All I am told Umberto 11 was separated from Queen Maria when his son was born. Also as a child attempts were made on his life, apparently. He is no secret to members of the family and is known in the Vatican too, so I am reliably informed.

Thank you for your reply. I am unfamiliar with Salic, succession rights. Related issues are quite eye opening.

[MAfan]

Originally Posted by PaulineMaria

All I am told Umberto 11 was separated from Queen Maria when his son was born. Also as a child attempts were made on his life, apparently. He is no secret to members of the family and is known in the Vatican too, so I am reliably informed.

Thank you for your reply. I am unfamiliar with Salic, succession rights. Related issues are quite eye opening.

Yes, they lived separated, but never devorced. They have been married from 1930 until the death of the King.

[PaulineMaria]

Originally Posted by MAfan

Yes, they lived separated, but never devorced. They have been married from 1930 until the death of the King.

Yes I am told this and recently read a lot of information related to this family.

It is interesting to learn that the gentleman had a relationship with his father, Umberto 11 - a father son relationship. The son's safety then had to be considered given the attempts on his life. Father and son look very similar, quite uncanny really.

[MAfan]

Originally Posted by PaulineMaria

Yes I am told this and recently read a lot of information related to this family.

It is interesting to learn that the gentleman had a relationship with his father, Umberto 11 - a father son relationship. The son's safety then had to be considered given the attempts on his life. Father and son look very similar.

The King and Vittorio Emanuele? Maybe phisically, but...not about the temper...

[PaulineMaria]

Originally Posted by MAfan

The King and Vittorio Emanuele? Maybe phisically, but...not about the temper...

No the gentleman I am speaking of is from a relationship after Umberto 11 separation from Queen Maria. This same gentleman is a deeply caring person with compassion for humanity. Father and son look almost like twins as young boys. I have seen photographs....

Given what I have read, it seems like Vittorio Emanuele lacks some restraint given his temper and actions. One would think he would know how to conduct himself especially publically, being from his background. There are no excuses.

There is evidently a far bigger picture here than the obvious.

[MAfan]

So you are not talking about a remote eventuality, but about a real event...an illegitimate son of the King, isn't it?

[PaulineMaria]

Originally Posted by MAfan

So you are not talking about a remote eventuality, but about a real event...an illegitimate son of the King, isn't it?

Thats right, I am talking about a real event and a real person. This gentleman is known as I stated; with certain family members and also the vatican, apparently.

[amedea]

I am not considering all this true

[MAfan]

All this story is curious...a secret son from an unknown woman...in a period when he was said to be homosexual because of he didn't date any woman...and considering that the King was a very religious man, and moreover married...I'm not totally persuaded.
It sounds me like the story of the "son" of HIM the Shah Reza Pahlavi and Princess Maria Gabriella after their "secret wedding"...

[Tosca]

I had never heard of any illegitimate children of King Umberto before, neither did the Italian press ever mentioned. Do you think if there were any love children of the King, wouldn't those tabs or cheap mags like Novella 2000 or Eva have been in their element?
I recall they had plenty of articles about Princess Maria Beatrice and actor Maurizio Arena's scandalous relationship...

Supposing that Umberto had a child out of the wedlock, he couldn't possibly be in line for the succession.
And since this man has never been officially recognized as the son of King Umberto, this remains pure speculation, so, please, let's stay on topic and move on.