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Old 10-22-2008, 10:03 AM
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Young Countess Beatrice Borromeo strolling all alone along the streets of Milan. She works for Radio 105 now.

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Why is she a paparazzi subject of interest?
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Because she's Pierre Casiraghi's latest flame. She was already popular in Italy because she' the daughter of Countess Marta Marzotto , and consequently the niece of Matteo Marzotto, who was involved with Naomi Campbell some time ago.
Beatrice also become a model at a very young age. Up to last Spring she appeared on the Italian TV alongside Italy's most popular anchorman Michele Santoro.

ETA: she's also the half sister of Lavinia Borromeo, who married the FIAT heir John Philip Elkann
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It appears the Borromeos continue to date and marry well. I wonder if anything has really changed from centuries ago when the top 200 or so families would marry amongst themselves or with the newly rich would-be dynasties.
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Beatrice is not countess, because her parents are not married
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It appears the Borromeos continue to date and marry well. I wonder if anything has really changed from centuries ago when the top 200 or so families would marry amongst themselves or with the newly rich would-be dynasties.
The so called "high" nobility in Italy still marries with wealthy noblemen/women, or in case of commoners (Elkann) quite rich! Nothing has really changed...
To be granddaughter of Marta Marzotto is also important: Marta has been, after the II WW, one of the most important "Ladies" in the theatre of the Italian high society...
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It appears the Borromeos continue to date and marry well. I wonder if anything has really changed from centuries ago when the top 200 or so families would marry amongst themselves or with the newly rich would-be dynasties.
Apparently nothing has changed since.

Marta Marzotto at the opening of an antique exhibition in Rome.

Count Gelasio Gaetani dell'Aquila d'Aragona Lovatelli with daughter Jacobella (l) and Polimnia Salviati at the same event.

Marquise Ginevra Cavalletti Carassi del Villar with Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.

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Beatrice is not countess, because her parents are not married
She is not a member of a royal family, it doesn't matter if their parents are married or not. She is the recognized daughter of Count Don Carlo Borromeo-Arese of the princes of Angera and Nobile Paola Marzotto of the counts of Valdagno.
Officially she is: Donna Beatrice Borromeo-Arese of the princes of Angera, she has not the title of countess because in the Borromeo family this title of only for the males and their wives.
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However she has no rights to any title and style of the Borromeo family, because of she is an illegitimate daughter of theyr parents, who recognized her but who are not married.
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MAfan, you may be technically correct but beside the point. Titled or not, she bears the Borromeo surname and that is what counts.
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However she has no rights to any title and style of the Borromeo family, because of she is an illegitimate daughter of theyr parents, who recognized her but who are not married.
What do you mean when you say she has no right to the style of the Borromeo family?
Has she the right to the the style of the Marzotto family then?
Anyways, for the Italian laws, there is no difference between legitimate and illegitimate children!
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Exactly giov, the Italian nobility officially recognises in his books Beatrice as member of Borromeo family with all the right and titles...
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Ok, I'm sorry, I have mistaken. I thought titles could be transmitted only to the descendants of married people.
About the style, I meant that she, because of her parents are not married, is only Miss Beatrice Borromeo, and not Donna Beatrice Borromeo-Arese of the princes of Angera.
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This rule is valid and observed by the royal families in general and German ex-sovereign families or in other countries families with an ex sovereign status. In Italy it is not important, even when we had a ruling King (in the last century) the conditio to bear a title was only to be officially recognised as son/daughter.
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My source is the same Beatrice in an interview during italian tv-show "Le invasioni barbariche": she told that her father married Marion Zota, whit whom had Isabella and Lvinia, the he left his wife and had Carlo with Paola, then he return with his wife and had Matilde, and then he re-left Marion to return with Paola and they had together Beatrice, but he is still married with Marion. She talks about Marion and Paola as the two women of his life, and she also told that she has no titles because she is not the daughter of the wife of his father. A bit complicated, but I hope I was clear....
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Yes it is, Beatrice's father has, let's say, a "personal view" of the marriage and family life a bit strange...
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So my reasoning about the status of Beatrice is not completely wrong...
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So my reasoning about the status of Beatrice is not completely wrong...
Why? The status of Beatrice is clear: daughter of Carlo. Carlo can live the life in the way he prefers (with several wives/fiancÚs) but the Italian family law (diritto di famiglia) is clear...
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So, in all Italian Noble Families the title is transmitted to all the descendants, legitimate or not?
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The important thing is to be officially recognised as child by the father, than the child has the father's family name and all the rights. It is not important if the child was born "outside" the marriage. The child will inherit all properties of the father, why not titles...
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