Italian Noble and Princely Families 1: June 2004 - July 2007 - Page 3

**Tosca** · #41 01-24-2006, 09:17 AM

Ascanio is the great-grand nephew of Pope Pius XII. I think his name is Ascanio dei Principi Pacelli.
I guess he's an aristocrat, though not a royal, but I might be wrong...

ShksprNLov · #42 01-26-2006, 12:45 AM

I too just read the Vanity Fair article and I am very happy that I accidentally found this thread!

In the article it mentioned that Lapo was dating an Italian movie star - I guess that is over now? And are there any recent pictures of John and Lavinia?

**Tosca** · #43 01-26-2006, 04:57 AM

Here are the most recent pics of Lavinia and Jaki appeared on last week's issue of NOVELLA 200. They were attending an art exhibition in Turin together with Jaki's maternal grandmother, Donna (Lady) Marella Caracciolo, and her cousin Donna Allegra Caracciolo who is also Donna Marella's sister-in-law, since she married Umberto Agnelli, Gianni Agnelli's younger brother.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5387/lavijaki0ua.png

Sorry I can't scan the mag!:(

**Tosca** · #44 01-26-2006, 05:16 AM

John Elkan, Lavinia Borromeo and Lapo Elkan take part to a ceremony marking the second anniversary of the death Fiat chairman Gianni Agnelli, in central Turin
John Elkan (R), his wife Lavinia Borromeo and his brother Lapo Elkan (L) take part to a ceremony marking the second anniversary of the death of their uncle, Fiat chairman Gianni Agnelli, in central Turin January 24, 2005. Fiat will not exercise an option to sell its car unit to General Motors for at least another nine days, to give the groups more time to settle a spat over its validity, the Italian company said Monday (corbis)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/930...11158711dc.jpg

nokklav · #45 01-26-2006, 09:49 AM

ok so i recently heard on an italian programme that principe fulco ruffo di calabria, queen paola's nephew and the one who went to 'l'isola dei famosi' is back with his wife melba with whom he was seperated, if not divorced. any confirmation?

also, on sorrisi tv canzoni one finds that olivia wilde, currently playing as alex kelly in the oc, is wedded to tao ruspoli, son of debra berger and dado ruspoli

**Tosca** · #46 01-26-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by nokklav

ok so i recently heard on an italian programme that principe fulco ruffo di calabria, queen paola's nephew and the one who went to 'l'isola dei famosi' is back with his wife melba with whom he was seperated, if not divorced. any confirmation?

also, on sorrisi tv canzoni one finds that olivia wilde, currently playing as alex kelly in the oc, is wedded to tao ruspoli, son of debra berger and dado ruspoli

According to "CHI" magazine he meets Melba every now and then, but there were no photos of them together...
I had the chance to see Melba some years ago in Salsomaggiore. She was one of the guests attending the "MISS ITALIA" beauty contest. She's a fantastically beautiful woman. She looks much more beautiful than she appears in pictures or on the TV. One of the most beautiful people I've ever seen.

nokklav · #47 01-26-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tosca

According to "CHI" magazine he meets Melba every now and then, but there were no photos of them together...
I had the chance to see Melba some years ago in Salsomaggiore. She was one of the guests attending the "MISS ITALIA" beauty contest. She's a fantastically beautiful woman. She looks much more beautiful than she appears in pictures or on the TV. One of the most beautiful people I've ever seen.

well she looks like a very beautiful lady. i remember seeing her at tappetto volante. where was she recently, i eard she was in spian with a new man. did she marry him?

**Tosca** · #48 01-27-2006, 01:05 AM

"CHI" mag reported she married a Spanish businessman a couple of years ago.

BTW, Kyara (Amedeo of Savoy's mistress) was at "LA VITA IN DIRETTA again yesterday. She's getting boring!!!

Queen Malka · #49 01-27-2006, 02:32 PM

Could anyone identify him?http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3...a/2f25d3d4.jpg
He was known as Prince Raymond (Raimundo) Orsini of Italy. Any other information known about him?

Danielane · #50 02-23-2006, 08:37 AM

Some newspaper are reporting about a certain so-called princess Yasmin von Hohenstaufen. In fact the family von Hohenstaufen has died in the 13th or the 14th century and this Yasmin is not at all a princess, nor are people of her family.

I'm reporting this news here as I read it in Point de Vue and as Yasmin sees herself as an heir of the Sicily (or another Italian place) throne.

**Warren** · #51 02-23-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Danielane

Some newspaper are reporting about a certain so-called princess Yasmin von Hohenstaufen. In fact the family von Hohenstaufen has died in the 13th or the 14th century and this Yasmin is not at all a princess, nor are people of her family.

I'm reporting this news here as I read it in Point de Vue and as Yasmin sees herself as an heir of the Sicily (or another Italian place) throne.

She's been popping up a bit lately. I don't understand why anyone gives her any credibility whatsoever. The last of the male line died in 1272; the last time a Hohenstaufen held the throne of Sicily was in 1266. If she thinks she is a rightful heir to Sicily after 840 years she's living in fantasy-land.

**Tosca** · #52 02-23-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Danielane

Some newspaper are reporting about a certain so-called princess Yasmin von Hohenstaufen. In fact the family von Hohenstaufen has died in the 13th or the 14th century and this Yasmin is not at all a princess, nor are people of her family.

I'm reporting this news here as I read it in Point de Vue and as Yasmin sees herself as an heir of the Sicily (or another Italian place) throne.

Why not re-establish the Emirate of Sicily, or the Roman Empire?

Danielane · #53 02-23-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren

She's been popping up a bit lately. I don't understand why anyone gives her any credibility whatsoever. The last of the male line died in 1272; the last time a Hohenstaufen held the throne of Sicily was in 1266. If she thinks she is a rightful heir to Sicily after 840 years she's living in fantasy-land.

She produced on her website a very funny genealogical tree, I was laughing alone when reading it...

**Warren** · #54 02-23-2006, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tosca

Why not re-establish the Emirate of Sicily, or the Roman Empire?

Why stop there? There must be a rightful claimant to the Moorish Sultanate/Kingdom of Granada. I think they should stake a claim too! Surely it's about time that Prince Vittorio Emanuele restated the Savoy claim to the Kingdom of Cyprus? Not forgetting Prince Carlos Hugo, who could launch a Bourbon-Parma campaign for the restoration of the Kingdom of Etruria. :)

Danielane · #55 02-24-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren

Why stop there? There must be a rightful claimant to the Moorish Sultanate/Kingdom of Granada. I think they should stake a claim too! Surely it's about time that Prince Vittorio Emanuele restated the Savoy claim to the Kingdom of Cyprus? Not forgetting Prince Carlos Hugo, who could launch a Bourbon-Parma campaign for the restoration of the Kingdom of Etruria. :)

That seems a very good claim here! I shall approve and sustain a campagn about it.

**Tosca** · #56 03-01-2006, 11:05 AM

Here's the latest picture of John and Lavinia Elkann. According to "CHI" magazine, their marriage would be going on the rocks, though they still keep on appearing together at various events. The article also reads she doesn't wear her wedding ring anymore. (source CHI via Dagospia)

**Tosca** · #57 03-28-2006, 10:24 AM

I read on the TG5 website that Donna (Lady) Lavinia is five months pregnant.
This would stop any conjectures about her being at loggerheads with her husband John Philip Elkann. (source TGcom)