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Members of the Spanish, Two Sicilies, Bulgarian, Portuguese and French Royal Families as well as members of the Imperial Family of Austria attended the funeral.
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I do not really know what would be best to do Cristina. I am between both views. But maybe she talked to her brother before coming to the funeral.
I'm the same. Half of me thinks that Infanta Cristina was just paying her respects to a deceased relative though the other half of me thinks that her attendance was a little controversial.

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I'm quite sure she's close to the late Duke's eldest daughter, Princess Cristina. But given the recent news about her trial, I'm not surprised Infanta Cristina chose not to attend a public event like this.Perhaps she's abroad and will attend the funeral tomorrow or the other ceremony in November.
Thanks for the information. What about the relationship between Cristina and the Duke himself (as my original question asked) - is it known of?

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King Juan Carlos looks really sad, he was certainly very close to his cousin. And poor Princess Alicia, it must be so painful to lose a child, especially at her advanced age.

Is the lady next to the new Dowager Duchess one of the late Duke's sisters?
I agree about Infanta Alicia, losing a child (and at any age too) must be one of the most painful things to experience. I think parents should never have to outlive their own children, though sadly this happens sometimes.
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Old 10-08-2015, 09:37 PM
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I am not sure why Infanta Christina's attendance is viewed as controversial. Given the occasion, she just paid her respects to her departed relative.
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Old 10-09-2015, 12:52 AM
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I agree. When it comes to death and the farewell to loved family members, I would say that arguing she should not have been there merely reflects a hardness of heart and consequent unforgiveness.

She did not arrive with the rest of the SRF and I am in agreement that King JC did every bit as much to damage the position of the monarchy as Christina. Yet a family funeral is just that, family. Filled with the good or bad feelings of those who may have not even spoken to each other in years, but when it comes to a funeral, all should be put aside.
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Old 10-09-2015, 10:25 AM
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Did I miss the presence of Prince Carlo and Princess Camilla of Bourbon-Two Sicilies? I thought that the two rivalling branches of the House of Two Sicilies have reconciled?
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Old 10-09-2015, 11:02 AM
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In this set of photos by Vanitas, you can also see Simoneta Gomez-Acebo, daugther of the infanta Pilar and Alfonso and Maria Zurita, son and daughter of the infanta Margarita. On photo #30 you will see count Louis and countess Belem of Limburg-Stirum and prince Kyril of Bulgaria.

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according to Guy Stair Sainty, Pss Chantal of France and her husband baron Axel Sambucy de Sorgue also attended the funeral. He also states that it was difficult to travel to Madrid due to strikes of air traffic controllers in France. Due to these strikes also the high speed trains between Paris and Madrid were fully booked. Still over 120 relatives attended.
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The website of the other claimant to the headship of the House of Two Sicilies still has no word about the death of Infante Don Carlos... (link)

Of course the other branch of the House has mentioned it on their website... (link)

Even when you do not accept the late Prince Carlos as head of the House, he still was a Prince de Bourbon, a Prince of the Two Sicilies, an Infante of Spain and should have been honoured as such by "the other side". Probably Don Carlo and his spouse Camilla were too busy living their jet-set life.... What a missed chance.
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It is the same for the two Constantinian orders of St. George. I thought the orders were supposed to merge? For now there are two websites, only one of which mentions the death of the duke of Calabria:

Sacred Military Constantinian Order Of Saint George (Calabria website)

Sacro Militare Ordine Costantiniano di San Giorgio (Castro website)
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I don't know if this has already been posted though Princess Helene, Countess of Limburg Stirum was also at the funeral:

http://www.noblesseetroyautes.com/wp...02JtW_lwYl.jpg

In the photo she's with Simoneta Gomez-Acebo.

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I am not sure why Infanta Christina's attendance is viewed as controversial. Given the occasion, she just paid her respects to her departed relative.
I think for some, it's due to the NOOS scandal (even though we don't know if Cristina was actually involved in the business itself) and that she wanted to show up at an event where there would be cameras so that she could be in the news.

After thinking about this more I think I'm now leaning more towards the point of view that she was simply paying her respects to a deceased relative.
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It was effectively an intimate and royal ceremony, not at all a State Ceremony. The only state authority attending was the Minister of Justice and this for his formal role as guardian of the royal burial site in El Escorial. So complaints that Infanta Doña Cristina 'profiled' herself during a formal state event are unjustified. She did attend a last farewell to her grandmother's brother, her father's best and lifelong friend and a fellow Infante de España.
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It was effectively an intimate and royal ceremony, not at all a State Ceremony. The only state authority attending was the Minister of Justice and this for his formal role as guardian of the royal burial site in El Escorial. So complaints that Infanta Doña Cristina 'profiled' herself during a formal state event are unjustified. She did attend a last farewell to her grandmother's brother, her father's best and lifelong friend and a fellow Infante de España.
The Minister of Justice is the Notario Mayor del Reino, he has to be present for every burial/exhumation in El Escorial, there is a series of legal papers (which he has to sign) that concern these ceremonies and that's why he was there.

(Yes, there have been exhumations there, José Antonio Primo de Rivera for example)

I don't see Cristina's presence as anything but saying farewell to a close family member, the father of one of her closest cousins (Cristina DBDS), not much was really said about this even in Spanish media, I thought it would set up a storm but people kind of understood what was going on.
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I think Spaniards have seen to much to care about Infanta Doña Cristina. Even Artur Mas, the separatist regional President of Catalonia and Lionel Messi, the star of FC Barcelona are involved in fraud scandals. Probably Spaniards will shrug the shoulders and yawn: "Anything new under the sun?"
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Why should she be banned until January 2016 ?
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Why should she be banned until January 2016 ?
The lawsuit concerning the financial malversations start in January 2016 I believe. It is nonsense anyway, she is a free person and even in Spain the adagium is that every person is not guilty until Lady Justitia has spoken.
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Infanta Pilar's unexplained absence from the funeral of Infante Carlos,Duke of Calabria.

La Infanta Pilar, la gran ausente en el funeral de Don Carlos... con Urdangarin | loc | EL MUNDO

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It was effectively an intimate and royal ceremony, not at all a State Ceremony. The only state authority attending was the Minister of Justice and this for his formal role as guardian of the royal burial site in El Escorial. So complaints that Infanta Doña Cristina 'profiled' herself during a formal state event are unjustified. She did attend a last farewell to her grandmother's brother, her father's best and lifelong friend and a fellow Infante de España.
I understand, and agree, I was just answering al_bina's question which was asking what was controversial about Cristina's attendance.
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12.11.2015 - Funeral of His Royal Highness Infante Carlos, Duke of Calabria, Infante of Spain at Royal Monastery of San Lorenzo de El Escorial

King Felipe, Queen Letizia, King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia will attend

Casa de Su Majestad el Rey de España - Actividades y Agenda - Asistencia al funeral por Su Alteza Real Don Carlos de Borbón-Dos Sicilias, Infante de España
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Infanta Pilar arrived with the Dowager Duchess of Calabria

Los cuatro Reyes acuden al funeral de don Carlos de Borbón-Dos Sicilias, último infante de España - Foto 1
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