Young Russian Royalty

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by Vecchiolarry

Hi,

Matryoska -
Thank you for enlightening us on 'The Times of the Troubles' and Boris Godonov. That cleared up a rather murky period for me.
And, welcome to the board....

Toledo -
Viveca Lindfors, a Swedish actress, who went to Hollywood about the same time as Ingrid Bergman, played Catherine the Great in the movie "Tempest"...
I loved how she walked across her marble inlaid floor, shaped like the map of Russia, at the beginning of the movie and picking out trouble spots, she stamped on that area and demanded they be put down.
Dino DeLaurentis' wife at the time, Sylvana Mangano, did appear in the movie also. She was the heroine, who married Geoffrey Horne.
I'm not sure if she was Agnes Moorehead's daughter in the film.....
Good movie.

Larry

I remember but bits and pieces of the movie and this morning tried to track down a DVD and all the searches came out as no DVD ever made. There are no VCR tapes available either. I'll keep looking in the future because I remember the same happened with Visconti's classic The Leopard (about the war between the Borbon Two Sicilies vs the Savoy with a princely family caught in the middle) and it took years for it to come out on DVD.

I remember that scene you mentioned but I forgot it was the opening, when she smashes the war models placed on the palace floor that is a map of Russia. The scene I remember is when Catherine visits Pugachov in jail, who claimed to be Peter III, and she got from him that the Captain's daugther boyfriend was never part of the peasant revolution, so Catherine lets him live but executed Pugachev.

Agnes Morehead played the mother, loyal to Empress Catherine, who gets hanged by Pugachev when he invaded her town.

Originally Posted by matryoshka

I only know the printed publication. Sorry.

Don't worry, thanks anyway. Is still something I did not know.

Mapple, thanks for that link! I took a quick look and unfortunately there is only one section I found in english. But it's still very informative, it lists the current families in alphabetical order and some by title. I hope they take the time in the future to share in english too so we can read more about them.

Beatrixfan, I put that movie Nicholas and Alexandra on my DVD-to-get list, if you like it I'm sure I'll enjoy it too.

[Mapple]

Originally Posted by Toledo

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I tried a google search on the name Ferand and Ikonikov but came out empty handed. Do you (or anyone) have any web link on the aristocrats that did not make it out of the Soviet Union?

They are Ferrand and Ikonnikov. :) Never read them, though.

Arguably the most prominent noble families are featured in the website of Miroslav Marek, http://www.genealogy.euweb.cz/russia/russia.html

[Vecchiolarry]

Hi Toledo,

I love "The Leopard" also. Tou have very good taste in movies!

Isn't it frustrating when good films don't get transferred to VHS or DVD and all that crap out there is over manufactured......
Movies like "The Tempest" and "The Leopard" may not be entirely historically accurate but they do tell a good story and promote the learning of history.
What benefit is a movie about college beer night with burping and farting??? It's not even funny; well, maybe to a four year old, but then get over it!!!!!

Larry

[Alison20]

In reigning royal houses, the succession rules change to fit in with modern ideas and laws. I see no reason why the head of non-reigning royal houses should not be able to 'update' the succession in the same way.

Of course, the problem is always with those members of the royal houses who would lose out if the succession was brought in line with modern practices.

It seems sensible to me that Grand Duke Vladimir reinstated the right of women to succeed to the Russian throne. If Russia were to become a monarchy, they would not be clinging to archaic rules but would embrace change.

Look at the Spanish Royal Family - both Infantas married non-royal men, and Felipe married a commoner too. There was no great fuss and as far as I am aware no change in to law to allow it to happen. It just happened - the King did not object. Other countries such as Norway, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium have changed as well - although I think laws were passed in their cases.

There really can be no genuine objection to Grand Duchess Maria and her son being considered the rightful heirs to the Romanov throne, in my opinion

[Toledo]

thanks for the link Mapple. I also found more matches with the correct spelling of Ferrand and Ikonnikov but most sites just list them as a refference rather than showing their work.

Vechiolarry, sometimes we have to do the conversion ourselves. I got a very good gadget to transfer video to DVD on the fly, so I've been converting some of those old tapes (I never let go off) into my personal DVD collection. The Leopard took ages to come out on DVD and by them most of the actors that played the characters were dead. But this Criterion version was able to get Claudia Cardinale interviewed for the comentaries and once you listen to her the whole movie takes an even more personal approach. I also liked that the movie commentary was done by a history professor.

[Warren]

Could we keep to one line of discussion please, preferably "Young Russian Royalty".
This is not the place to be chatting about favourite films, movie starlets, videos and DVDs etc.
And a gentle reminder that the Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna has her own thread.

thanks :)
Warren
Royal Forums moderator

[Benjamin]

H.I.H. Grand Duke Georgiy Mikhailovich on a visit to Moscow (Feb 2006)


All Photographs © www.ImperialHouse.ru

[RubyPrincess168]

Originally Posted by Toledo

Although my own fantasy choice would be Prince Michael of Kent. He does look like a Czarist to the last strand of hair on his beard! And Princess Michael as Czarina? I'm sure she and her sharp tongue will behave in Russia better than in England. And she is quite stricking and beautiful lady, one of the few Royals that looks the part well.

They would be my choice too! Circumvent the whole debate about who is the rightful heir and pick a neutral third party. It would be like how Greece chose the younger son of the King of Denmark to be their King. Lady Gabriella would make a fabulous Grand Duchess!

[Next Star]

I remember watching that show he is Prince Alexandre and he lives in New York. He is a model who is also an inspiring writer.

Originally Posted by Becky24

Hey, does anyone know who the prince of Russian Royalty was on "Young, Sexy & Royal"?

[JPhinala]

Originally Posted by Next Star

I remember watching that show he is Prince Alexandre and he lives in New York. He is a model who is also an inspiring writer.

Does anyone know anything about him other than that? Have any pictures? Links? Thanks!

[Callaghan]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

H.I.H. Grand Duke Georgiy Mikhailovich on a visit to Moscow

Poor lad looks a tad overwhelmed.

[HRH Kimetha]

Originally Posted by RubyPrincess168

They would be my choice too! Circumvent the whole debate about who is the rightful heir and pick a neutral third party. It would be like how Greece chose the younger son of the King of Denmark to be their King. Lady Gabriella would make a fabulous Grand Duchess!

I'd like to second that. He definitly looks like like a Russian Czar. He reminds me so much as Tsar Nicholas II, yet only Nicholas' wife is related to the BRF through Princess Alice. Interesting.

[vladimperial]

Congratulations on your birthday, Your Emperor Majesty!

Today, 23 aprelya/' of May celebrate svore Tezoimenitstvo YE.I.V. Sovereign is heir cesarevitch and Grand Duke Georgiy mikhailovich.
All companions-in-arms of motion "for the faith and the fatherland" and Moscow Georgievskiy the division of Russian imperial Union- order warmly congratulate its emperor majesty with this glad and significant day and desire to the heir of the throne of the state of Russian zdraviya, longevity and aid Of bozhiyey in the bearing of today's critical burden and the future difficult service on the throne of Russian autocrats.

1. the Grand Duke with the holiest patriarch. http://www.monarhist.ru/news2007/2007_05_06_1.jpg
2. After the conversation with metropolitan Cyril. http://www.monarhist.ru/news2007/2007_05_06_2.jpg
3. The Grand Duke on the platform of the State Duma. http://www.monarhist.ru/news2007/2007_05_06_5.jpg


United press- service of motion "for the faith and the fatherland" and Moscow Georgievskiy division THE EDIT-PUBL COUNCIL Russian Imperial Union Order

[NotAPretender]

What happens in the next generation will be extremely interesting.

It appears that the requirements for a bride for the young Georgy will be rather hard to meet:

1. Orthodox;
2. Royal within the pedigree that MV and her son believe themselves to be;
3. Monied, to support them now that MV's half-sister no longer does.

It isn't a situation like the Greek royals, who were willing to overlook Marie-Chantal's lack of blue blood in light of her heavy purse.

This particular family has made their entire life's mission to sanctify and drive home their own pedigree as compared to others.

It's not likely that MV could simply declare some rich young thing to have a sufficient bloodline to maintain the royal and imperial status of the Succession Laws. Not while they've spent their combined lifetimes protesting their own mandates as "heirs."

The most monied Royals who might consider the young Georgy as eligible would have to convert, as it appears that the only royals who are Orthodox are the Greek family, whose money is dependent on the largesse of the Miller family. Would the Millers be willing to underwrite a whole 'nother royal family if one of Paul's sisters wanted to marry Georgy? Interesting question.

I think an earlier poster said it best: This is Russia. Anything is possible. Tossing out the lot of them was what was done in 1918. Any invitations back in are purely at the discretion of the old-line Soviet Putin, who has steadily moved back to Soviet-style leadership as he consolidates power. And Putin could very well reach back into other bloodlines *if* monarchy were desired. On my last trip to Moscow, when I brought up the topic, the laughter was so hearty several of my collegues nearly choked from amusement.

However, to be invited back, to be set up as the puppet monarch under the auspices of the inheritors of the Soviet, seems to be quite agreeable to MV and her son.

She has much in common with her ancestor, Kyril, in that regard, n'est pas?

I would be very curious as to the younger set of Russian nobility, as to what their aspirations are in these matters - if any.

[chancellor]

Your Post is some what negative, Russia struggles, you say you have been there, some laugh, some cry and some just dont know the true history.

Remember that people like the odious Bereria got awarded for authoring false books about Stalin.

To be a Soveriegn is not easy ,constant every one watching you, if your young its a lot of pressure as well, a good grounding in the Orthodox faith is important, you have obviosly not read any of the in depth interviews the young Grand Duke has done, go to the web site of the HIH GD Maria secretary, you will see he proves himself Intellectually deep and meaningfull, a true Oxford graduate as he is.

Its very easy for the negative to flow out of our mouths, thats for sure, easy to laugh at others as you have mentioned, you talk of Orthodoxy as some trite thing, l suggest you google Seraphim Rose , an American man, whom became not of this world , firstly one of Americas best minds on Eastern Philosophy, then became an Orthodox monk.

Think more widely and deeply, the Young Grand Duke has a lot of depth that you dont give credit for , start reading his interviews get an idea obout him first.

Here with the Patriach of all Russia and members of the Russian Imperial Order

PICTURE

[NotAPretender]

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you have obviosly not read any of the in depth interviews the young Grand Duke has done 


That's a tad presumptuous on your part. I have read all I need to read of the young man's "interviews."

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you talk of Orthodoxy as some trite thing, 


In no way did I imply that, at all. I merely set forth the requirements for Georgy's bride in order for this branch of the family to continue to claim its precedence over all others. Orthodoxy was clearly important enough for Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna of Russia to eventually convert to, naturally. And she of course is the ancestress of the current pretenders.

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Remember that people like the odious Bereria got awarded for authoring false books about Stalin. 


I'm certain you don't mean that any implication that I could be likened to Bereria. I choose to overlook any parallel which your hasty remarks might engender.

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To be a Soveriegn is not easy 


Elizabeth II is a true sovereign, and she has never implied that it was easy. Neither MV nor Georgy are sovereigns; they certainly have no cause for complaint along those lines.

I am and remain curious as to how MV and Georgy will skin the cat of the next generation. Georgy must marry royal and Orthodox in order for the survival of their claims to continue, as they have insisted that their precedence devolves from those two pillars to the exclusion of all other Romanovs. And, since they seem to be without financial support, any wife would need to bring to the marriage a well-filled purse.

It's not as though Georgy can bring home Natalie Imbruglia (wealthy) and have her added to the roster of royalty, suitable to be wed. Or American actress Melina Eleni Kanakaredes (wealthy and Orthodox.) No, it has to be all three - wealthy, Orthodox, and royal. A hard bill of fare in these days.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by NotAPretender

It's not as though Georgy can bring home Natalie Imbruglia ....

I should hope not as she's married to Daniel Johns.

[NotAPretender]

Originally Posted by Warren

I should hope not as she's married to Daniel Johns.

Ah, naturally (as is the American actress also mentioned.) The point being, he can't simply bring home "the bacon" and have it declared filet.

He's in a bit of a box, there, n'est pas?

Young royalty in this case has even more restrictions than in other "family firms." And the fact that he is an only child makes it even more onerous.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by NotAPretender

It appears that the requirements for a bride for the young Georgy will be rather hard to meet:

1. Orthodox;
2. Royal within the pedigree that MV and her son believe themselves to be;
3. Monied, to support them now that MV's half-sister no longer does.

Granted, #2 is obviously going to be the most difficult of the requirements for any possible spouse of Georgiy's to fit. This one prerequisite narrows the number of eligible young ladies who could be his wife to probably less than 100 people.

Assuming the Grand Duke manages to marry a royal (like his mother was lucky enough to do), surely it will be a foregone conclusion that she'll convert if not already Orthodox (like his father did).

I'm not sure that money will be a very big factor in a possible marriage. Remember that Georgiy's aunt is his godmother, and his father is one of the owners of Prinz von Preussen Grundbesitz AG. Also Georgiy has been employed (in not too shaby places such as the EU) since he got out of Oxford.

A Greek marriage would be interesting...Constantine of Greece is Georgiy's godfather. Georgiy's mother met her husband through her uncle Louis Ferdinand, who was Franz Wilhelm's godfather.

[ortino]

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