Young Russian Royalty

[branchg]

Originally Posted by Sean.~

Exactly. I posted this in this thread or one of the other Romanov threads sometime ago. AFAIC, Nicholas Romanov is nothing more than a self-important megalomaniac.

HIH Grand Duchess Xenia of Russia, sister of Tsar Nicholas II, when questioned in the late 1950's by a British writer as to her "princely grandsons", stated she did not consider any of them to be royal or a Prince of Russia because they were all morganatic under the Imperial House Laws.

If the Grand Duchess didn't believe her own grandchildren were imperial dynasts or princes of Russia, it's hard to imagine how the other Romanov descendants could be royal either.

[blondebeauty123]

does anyone have any information about Prince Rostislav Rostislavovich Romanov of Russia? Any pics too?

[blondebeauty123]

I have searched and searched but there is nothing nada zip of the prince Rostislav rostislavovich Romanov!! Supposedly he was born in the 1980's but I don't know.... (mystery) anyway does anyone know of any young teen princes of europe that are around 16 or 17? If so please post thanx!

[Von Schlesian]

Sorry Blondebeauty. I only know of HIH Grand Duchess Maria's son, who is Hohenzollern-Romanoff.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by branchg

Actually, most of the family is styled in appropriately. There was no such thing as a "Prince/Princess Romanov" in Imperial times. Either you were a grandchild of the Tsar styled as Prince/Princess of Russia (Royal Highness) or a great-grandchild styled as Prince/Princess of Russia (Highness). And this status could only be held if your parents had made an equal marriage as approved by the Tsar.

Morganatic descendants (including Nicholas Romanov) were granted a new title, usually a Prince/Princess Romanovsky-Other Name, with the style of Serene Highness. Some members of the family did seek titles from Grand Duke Cyril or Grand Duke Vladimir when they married, others did not.

I stand corrected slightly on the style and title of the imperial dynasts. Children and grandchildren in the male line of the Tsar were Grand Duke/Duchess with the style Imperial Highness, while great-grandchildren in the male line were styled Prince/Princess of Russia with the style of Highness (a qualification that continued to be passed down to each eldest male of the next generation). All other descendants in the male line were Prince/Princess of Russia with the style of Serene Highness (provided, of course, that equal marriages were made by all under the Pauline Laws).

Unequal, but honorable marriages to a person of good standing, were accepted but new morganatic styles were granted to the spouse and children (i.e. HSH Princess Romanovsky-Ilinsky) by the Tsar or Head of the House. Other marriages were never granted a princely morganatic style, but usually created morganatic count/countess styles.

[Harry's polo shirt]

His dad Rostislav Rostislavinovich ROMANOV "Rosti" was born Dec 3, 1938 he died January 13, 1999 in London, he lived in Chicago, Illinios. He married Christia IPSEN on August 16, 1980. He was also married to Stephena Cook on Sept 9, 1960 they divorced in 1978.

He and Christia had:
sister: Alexandrea Rostislavovna Romanov in 1983
Ratislav in 1985: he was born in Lake Forest, Illinios
sister: Nikita Rostislavovich in 1987

He had a daughter with Stephena named Stephena Alexandra Rostislavovna

that is all I know..right now. I can't find a pic sorry.

[Harry's polo shirt]

I think they live in the United Kingdom.

[pauli_170291]

so there are princes available in russia'???and they ve got titles??jeje :)

[branchg]

Originally Posted by pauli_170291

so there are princes available in russia'???and they ve got titles??jeje :)

Very few have any titles, other than morganatic styles granted by Grand Duke Cyril or Grand Duke Vladimir (i.e. HSH Prince Romanovsky-Ilinsky), and most of the family doesn't bother with them.

They are no longer royal because they are all morganatic descendants of imperial dynasts.

[pauli_170291]

I don`t know if this is the correct place to ask this question...:) but i have a doubt regarding the names you can put any royal....there are certain names not included in the ones you can put to the newborn or you can put the future prince..princess or whatever the name you like and want?? thanks..and kisses!

[Layla1971]

Originally Posted by pauli_170291

I don`t know if this is the correct place to ask this question...:) but i have a doubt regarding the names you can put any royal....there are certain names not included in the ones you can put to the newborn or you can put the future prince..princess or whatever the name you like and want?? thanks..and kisses!

I can't say for sure, but I think the second or at least middle names like Alexandrovna and Nikolaevna (only used for girls I think) are reserved for the Tsar's children or his wife for the name she takes upon conversion.
But this is a guess and I hope other posters will be able to provide more info on the names and when they're allowed to be used.

[Jil]

Originally Posted by branchg

Very few have any titles, other than morganatic styles granted by Grand Duke Cyril or Grand Duke Vladimir (i.e. HSH Prince Romanovsky-Ilinsky), and most of the family doesn't bother with them.

They are no longer royal because they are all morganatic descendants of imperial dynasts.

The children of Prince Paul Romanovsky-Ilyinsky live in Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S.A. Paul was the son of Grand Duke Dimitri Pavlovich Romanov (1891-1942) and American Heiress to Emery Industries, Audrey Emery (1904-1971).

Paul Romanovsky-Ilyinsky (1928-2004) lived for many years in Cincinnati, Ohio and then moved to Palm Beach, Florida, U.S.A. He was once the Mayor of Palm Beach! He returned to Russia with his family to attend the funeral of the the last Tsar and his family in 1997. His children are:

(1) Dimitry Romanovsky-Ilyinsky (1954- ) married to Martha McDowell.
(2) Paula Maria Romanovsky-Ilyinsky (1956- ) married to Marc Allen Comisal.
(3) Anna Romanovsky-Ilyinsky (1959- ) married to david Wise Glossinger.
(4) Michael Romanovsky-Ilyinsky (1961- ) Married to Paula Maier.

*It is interesting to note that Grand Duke Dimitri Pavolovich Romanov was exiled before the revolution began because of his involvement in the murder of Rasputin. His exile saved his life and the lives of those who came after him! I guess in this case-crime did pay!

**Paula Maria Romanovsky-Ilyinsky does have one son that is single. His name is: Alexander Lee Comisar. He was born in 1983. I believe he lives in Cincinnati.

*The rest of Paula's siblings have female children. Michael does not have any children.

[Jeannie]

If anyone is interested, there is an 'official' website for a pretender to the Russian Throne, Maria Vladimirovna & her son Georgi Romanov. The english version isn't up and running yet:
http://www.imperialhouse.ru/

There is a recent photo of the handsome (IMHO) young Georgi & his mother Maria & grandmother (I think) at http://www.imperialhouse.ru/RUS/green/1_yr/index.htm

There is more info on the website here, with an old photo of Georgi & his mother http://www.royalarchive.com/index.ph...d=757&Itemid=2

At the moment they are trying to get the last Tsar & his family 'rehabilitated' as victims of political repression in Russia: http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/12/...romanovs.shtml

There was an interesting article in the Oct 2005 english edition of the St Petersburg Times on the restoration of the Russian Monarchy - see http://www.sptimes.ru/story/15851

I put new links to news articles on the Romanovs on my website at http://www.biblenews.org/Romanovs.htm

[Jeannie]

I forgot to put on another link to a recent photo of Georgi Romanov (close up):
http://www.imperialhouse.ru/RUS/gree...gr/georgiy.htm

It also has his 'official' biography, which is all in Russian.....

[Toledo]

The Russian pro-monarchist movement seems to have with the Romanovs the same problem the Brazilian monarchists had during the attempt to restore the Brazilian Empire in 1996 (?) and put a stop to the military coups that republics often have. In the Braganza-Orleans Brazil, like Russia's Romanovs, the families are so dividided and with so many quarrels is difficult to pick a candidate and get the support of the entire family behind him or her.

We had the same problem in Spain with Franco playing political games with the Borbons and going around shopping for the next King. It was a mess, Juan Carlos and his cousins, the Carlistas, and even the now ennobled Franco family also attempting to get a slice of the future (they even stole the Pardo Palace for themselves, King Juan Carlos kicked them out of that Royal Palace) etc.

What to do? even though I hate and despise Franco for what he did to us in Spain, the best solution is having the Royal hand picked and let everyone else have a temper tantrum. Yelstin was close to it when he declared as the 'official' Romanov Grand Dukes the branch Maria belongs to. And she is extremely outspoken and down to earth, a quality her cousins don't seem to get. If you are running for office you got to go out and make your case be known. She does that well. Yes, she is pushy but she seems to be the only one who is doing something to restore the monarchy as a solution for Russia's political stability. Maybe Puttin, who I read descend from aristocrats himself, can finish the job and hand pick a monarch. A few years ago I would not have believed that the Soviet Union and the Block would disapear, that Cambodia would become an Monarchy again and that Uganda would restore its Kings. So, Putin or the Kremlin getting some royal fever is not that far fetched. After all, having a monarchy is also good for tourism and improves the tabloid business! The more royals around the more for us to discuss about.

Although my own fantasy choice would be Prince Michael of Kent. He does look like a Czarist to the last strand of hair on his beard! And Princess Michael as Czarina? I'm sure she and her sharp tongue will behave in Russia better than in England. And she is quite stricking and beautiful lady, one of the few Royals that looks the part well.

[branchg]

It's up to the Russian government and the people whether they wish to offer the throne to any of the current Romanovs. Maria certainly has much goodwill among Orthodox and monarchist Russians as well as the Patriach and it would seem likely she would be the most viable candidate if the monarchy was ever restored. But the likelihood of the monarchy ever being restored is next to zero.

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by branchg

It's up to the Russian government and the people whether they wish to offer the throne to any of the current Romanovs. Maria certainly has much goodwill among Orthodox and monarchist Russians as well as the Patriach and it would seem likely she would be the most viable candidate if the monarchy was ever restored. But the likelihood of the monarchy ever being restored is next to zero.

I know, but we can always hope. When the people get angry about how the government runs and the continuous fight for power they either try new things of go back to a different and old formula, a permanent head of state. After all, it's the elected prime minister the one that does the job in most countries and the President's office is just an uncrowned Royal office in disguise. Besides. who knew the Soviet Union would fall? Stranger things happen :)

On Maria and her angry cousins, I consider their chauvinistic claim ridiculous in this day and age. She, and any woman in the Romanov family, should have the same dynastic rights of their male siblings. Also, she and her son are being looked down by the other Romanovs because her father married a Bragration princess. The Bragrations were made part of the Russian nobility but they, as a Royal Family are more ancient than the Romanovs and most reigning royal families. It's like today's deposed Royals (for example the Borbons Two-Sicilies) who are seem equal in marriage to any established Royal.
The Bragations were even around even before the Roman Empire fell: House of Bragrationi

[Becky24]

Hey, does anyone know who the prince of Russian Royalty was on "Young, Sexy & Royal"?

[RussianHistoryBuff]

Originally Posted by The Watcher

I like him...so, this is the Young Russian Royalty.
How old is he now...

Kindly, give me an explanation to your like for Georgi? I have never personally thought him capable of ruling anything.

[gustave II]

I would add Prince Michel Pavlovitch Romanov, son of Paul Iljinsky (prince Paul Dmitrieyvitch Romanov-Iljinsky +2004, ex-mayor of Palm Beach FL, and son of Grand Duke Dmitri) born in 1960. Married. Divorced. Remarried to Paula Maier in 1965. If Michel has male issues, they would be princes Romanov-Iljinsky of Russia.
~gustave