Tsar Nicholas II (1868-1918) and Empress Alexandra Feodorovna (Alix) (1872-1918) - Page 6

Russophile · #**101** 08-20-2008, 04:04 PM

I read in Massey Nicky thought GD George, his brother was better suited.
They always could have abdicated to the Vlad's. . .

Royal Fan · #**102** 08-20-2008, 04:38 PM

im sure they wouldve loved the Tsar doing that :P

Michael HR · #**103** 08-20-2008, 05:37 PM

I would have left the country if he had. Kyril as Tsar, nah!

AnastasiaEvidence · #**104** 08-20-2008, 06:02 PM

Either way, it depends on how Grand Duke George can handle such a big task.

COUNTESS · #**105** 08-20-2008, 06:25 PM

Alix was shy, neurotic and autocratic. Not a great combination. She was not unkind. Nicky was less than a leader should be and swayed with the wind. His wife had great control over him. They both failed to see the handwriting on the wall after 1905. There could have been changes.

Furienna · #**106** 08-20-2008, 06:37 PM

I once heard about an incident from when they were newlyweds, and they were having a ball. Several people were killed in a crowd, because too many people were at the same place at the same time. (I assume people had come there to have a look at the tsar and tsarina and their guests.) Nicholaus and Alexandra thought about having the ball end early in respect for these dead people, but some advisor told them to continue with their ball instead, as if nothing had happened. But in retrospect, many scholars now believe, that if they had ended the ball early instead of continuing with it, they wouldn't have gotten a bad reputation among the commoners, which eventually lead to their tragical fate.

AnastasiaEvidence · #**107** 08-20-2008, 06:45 PM

Yes, Alix actually trusted Rasputin so much. He was using her, to get to Nicholas since he was the autocratic ruler. It made it seem Alix was telling Nicholas how to run the govenment that eventually colasped. Many blamed Alix, for the cause of the revolution. I don't think she was to blame, it has a lot to do with the tsar lacks the power to control the govenment. Since Rasputin, stopped the bleeding of Alexei everytime; she had to trust him.Nicholas and Alix's children trusted Rasputin, of course because Alix wanted them to respect him. But, I honestly think OTMA had their personal strong opinions of Rasputin.There is alot of mystery for Rasputin. I myself, think of Rasputin as a fraud, he wasn't a real faith healer, he did sinful acts such as sex, and alcohal. Alix and Nicky considered him a 'man of god'. Many said, that he would use leeches to stop Alexei's pain. Somehow Rasputin, did something to stop Alexei's pain.

Russophile · #**108** 08-20-2008, 09:03 PM

Well sex and alcohol aren't sinful acts per say. . . .

*ahem*
I don't believe Rasputin was "using" Alix to get to Nicky. For what purpose? He didn't care about possessions or money. I remember reading, I think it was in "Holy Devil" (Rene Fulop Muller, I believe, I could be wrong, feel free to correct me) I can't remember, but there were crowds of people standing at his flat in St. Petersburg hoping for this favor or that handout. He (Rasputin) would give them whatever he had and if he couldn't, he sent them to somebody he thought could help with a little note "Do this for X. -Grigory".
Also in that book there was speculation as to what sort of "powers" Rasputin had. Yussopov claimed he had hypnotic powers and used them to stop the bleeding of Alexis. My personal opinion is that he used a combination of some form of hypnosis and just relaxation techniques to staunch the blood. Lord knows what a basket case Alix was whenever one of these fits came on, I'm sure he helped calm her down, which in turn calmed the czarevitch down to help with the bleeding.

Furienna · #**109** 08-20-2008, 09:18 PM

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Well sex and alcohol aren't sinful acts per say. . . .

*ahem*

Except that he was supposed to be a holy man.

Russophile · #**110** 08-20-2008, 09:32 PM

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Except that he was supposed to be a holy man.

Some so called holy men engaged in orgies, which, unfortunately, was a religious sect in Russia in Rasputin's time. There has been much speculation if Rasputin was a follower of this religion given is base proclivities.

AnastasiaEvidence · #**111** 08-20-2008, 10:55 PM

Having sex with many different women would defiantly be a sin. Drinking is also a sin. His behavoir was defiantly not that of an ordinary monk. He was very mysterious.

I think Rasputin, was trying to get some control over the tsars government, since he had the full trust of Alexandra. Rasputin, generally was ready to offer advice, occasionally offered advice on Russian military strategy (during the revolution and world war). Sometimes he would give advice to Nicholas on how to run the government. Rasputin could have used leeches to remove most of Alexei's constant bleeding. He could have also gave him herbs and hypnotized him. Some believe that his prayers would heal him or that god gave him supernatural powers. These are five possible ways Rasputin may have successfully healed Alexei. I believe that Rasputin used herbs or leeches to stop Alexei's bleeding.

Russophile · #**112** 08-21-2008, 04:41 PM

I don't agree that he used herbs and leeches. Somebody would have a record of it somewhere. You can't hide a leech and herbs smell.
Drinking may be considered a sin in some places but it has medicinal purposes in small doses. Unfortunately, this Jack Mormon tends to horde those small doses into LARGE ones. . .

AnastasiaEvidence · #**113** 08-21-2008, 10:27 PM

Well, this is just my opinion it didn't have to be right or wrong. I just stated what I believed Rasputin used to healed Alexei with.

Russophile · #**114** 08-22-2008, 04:57 PM

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Well, this is just my opinion it didn't have to be right or wrong. I just stated what I believed Rasputin used to healed Alexei with.

And it's good to throw those ideas out there to be discussed.

I don't think we'll ever get a clear picture of Rasputin and the powers he possessed.

AnastasiaEvidence · #**115** 08-22-2008, 05:00 PM

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And it's good to throw those ideas out there to be discussed.

I don't think we'll ever get a clear picture of Rasputin and the powers he possessed.

I agree. All of us have so many questions about Rasputin. I think he's very mysterious.

Russophile · #**116** 08-22-2008, 06:48 PM

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I agree. All of us have so many questions about Rasputin. I think he's very mysterious.

Think he WANTED to be mysterious?

COUNTESS · #**117** 08-22-2008, 09:01 PM

You betcha. He may have been hypnotic, but passed that he just needed a willing dupe. Alexandra was calmed by him and, thus, calmed her son and the bleeding abated. It was a perfect setup. You have to have pity on Alexandra. This was her son. She would follow anyone who gave her this peace of mind.

AnastasiaEvidence · #**118** 08-23-2008, 01:10 AM

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Think he WANTED to be mysterious?

Yes, he didn't want to tell everyone about his privacy. Him healing Alexei is very mysterious. But, remember the peasants couldn't understand why Rasputin was close to the family. They didn't know Alexei had hemophilia. They were very confused.

Russophile · #**119** 08-23-2008, 01:57 AM

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Yes, he didn't want to tell everyone about his privacy. Him healing Alexei is very mysterious. But, remember the peasants