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Old 03-22-2011, 12:40 AM
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^ Really? your mama must be very lovely, the Tsarina was beautiful as a young woman.
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Old 03-27-2011, 08:30 PM
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Alix is not my favorite royal, but I do have respect for her. She was loyal to her new nation and faith, and I think to some extent she was more Russian than most of those who were born there.

Her love of the Orthodox faith was interesting to read about, since before her engagement to Nikolai she was against any kind of conversion. However, as soon as she got engaged, she was upset that she couldn't yet celebrate Easter with her new fiance (I read that in a book called 'A Lifelong Passion: Nicholas and Alexandra in Their Own Words').

I think as a mother, she was simply over-protective, and I think she did a great dis-service to her children by not allowing them to have any friends outside of the immediate family circle.
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Old 03-27-2011, 10:48 PM
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I think she was (jusifiably) frightened of all the things that could befall her children, but perhaps not able to think of ways of dealing with that fear. I'm not sure that any course of action would have resulted in a different fate. That's why she looks so sad in her pictures, it was a terrible love affair to be having, they were so conscious of the hope of modernity and their own love.

But they were cut down by forces completely beyond their control.
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Old 04-20-2011, 06:54 AM
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Was Empress Alix really a snob?Ive read that she was like that and in the movies.
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Old 04-20-2011, 11:51 PM
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I don't think Alexandra was a snob as much as she was reserved and shy as has been stated. Many times persons who of this personality are perceived as snobbish.
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Old 04-21-2011, 02:07 AM
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I could understand that,its something we have in common.
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Old 04-23-2011, 01:22 PM
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No, I don't think Alexandra was a snob. In fact, it seems that she preferred the company of people from the lower ranks she encountered as opposed to the royals in her family and in court functions.

But she was imperious. She made her maids keep details about her many pieces of lace, would fling off her rings anywhere when she felt like playing the piano, then send the help scurrying to look for them, and left her written correspondence lying about until they could be gathered, put together and then mailed off.
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Old 04-23-2011, 05:37 PM
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She didn't like the gossip at court. Whereas Minnie (and Russo ) loved a good gossip fest. And that rather alienated her from the court.
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Old 04-23-2011, 09:28 PM
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She didn't like the gossip at court. Whereas Minnie (and Russo ) loved a good gossip fest. And that rather alienated her from the court.
Russo, my dear,

I think Gossip is such a tacky term. I much prefer news of an important social nature.
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Old 04-24-2011, 01:30 AM
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I read an interesting book review on the latest book about Rasputin. In it, the author has written, that some rumors about the relationship between Alexandra were actually started and spread by her mother-in-law, the Dowager Empress. (Royalty Digest Quarterly, Vol. 3 2010).
To have such a relationship with Minnie had to have been a nightmare for Alexandra.
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Old 04-24-2011, 01:35 AM
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I read an interesting book review on the latest book about Rasputin. In it, the author has written, that some rumors about the relationship between Alexandra were actually started and spread by her mother-in-law, the Dowager Empress. (Royalty Digest Quarterly, Vol. 3 2010).
To have such a relationship with Minnie had to have been a nightmare for Alexandra.
Minnie was such a tricky old bat,she really was.Far from the once joyfull poor Danish Princess she was.
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Old 04-24-2011, 07:59 PM
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Minnie was such a tricky old bat,she really was.Far from the once joyfull poor Danish Princess she was.
If Marie deliberately spread rumors, that is awful! I recall reading that her mother begged Dagmar (Empress Marie) to get along better with Alexandra and not make the mistake that Marie's mother had made with her eldest son's wife. It seems the Queen of Denmark knew that a poisoned or bad relationship with a daughter-in-law was not a happy situation.
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Old 04-24-2011, 10:33 PM
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If Marie deliberately spread rumors, that is awful! I recall reading that her mother begged Dagmar (Empress Marie) to get along better with Alexandra and not make the mistake that Marie's mother had made with her eldest son's wife. It seems the Queen of Denmark knew that a poisoned or bad relationship with a daughter-in-law was not a happy situation.
I wonder how Queen Alexandra's relationship with Queen Mary compared to her sister's with Empress Alexandra. I figured Queen Alexandra's deafness probably would have prevent any major impasse that could have arisen with Mary.
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Not to get too much off topic, but I think there were many times Mary's patience was tested by Queen Alexandra, when she was Princess of Wales and then Queen.
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What is the exact reason he was forced off the throne?Because had a german wife?He was a bad ruler?
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:10 PM
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What is the exact reason he was forced off the throne?Because had a german wife?He was a bad ruler?
There is not just "one" reason why the Tsar abdicated under pressure. He was a good man but he was also a bad ruler who was out of touch with his subjects. Nicholas' consort was disliked in part because she was German from birth but also because she was viewed as aloof and imperious. Alexandra also allowed Rasputin to interfere in governmental matters which caused the aristocracy to abandon its support of the royal family. World War I certainly caused a lot of distress and financially the country was ruined, which made Nicholas, as Tsar, extremely unpopular. There were many reasons . . .
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Agreed. Nicholas was a poor leader and basically lived in an entirely different world from the Russian people although, he's not alone in that category. Russia is and was an enormous country with different cultures, religions and even 11 time zones! It was a huge undertaking for any Tsar to rule and usually the most successful were the most ruthless.
The people of Russia were also poor, uneducated and backward especially outside of the major cities. The event that started the downward slide for Nicholas was the 1905 massacre of protesters by the secret police and military on the Tsar's orders. It was a peaceful demonstration for reform which included clergy and turned into a bloodbath. I've read and don't know if it's true, Grand Duke Sergei was killed in a retaliation for the massacre and also he was regarded as an absolute tyrant.
WW1 and Russia entered the war with horrendous loss of troops. Nicholas made the mistake of going to the front to lead the troops, leaving Alexandra to remain with Rasputin. The rumors abounded over the Tsarina and Rasputin's relationship and her being a secret German spy. The rumors went on about Alexandra and Rasputin running the country.
Socialist groups and ordinary citizens were circulating the rumors as well as obscene jokes and graphic posters of the Tsarina and Rasputin.
The Bolsheviks had an easy time of convincing the public about Lenin and his visions.
There was no one thing or event that precipitated the tragedy of the Romanovs, it was a domino effect.
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I would be really interested to know why, after so many other German princesses were married into, and presumably accepted by the Imperial family, Alexandra became so vilified, also with whom lies the responsibility for it. Was it just that the poor girl "came to us behind a coffin" that the superstitious Russians never forgave? In which case she never stood much of a chance, did she? Or was it that the whole Tsarist regime had long been seen as flawed and a scapegoat was needed. I would love to know, given the undoubted British influence, via PA and QV, at the Hessian court, just how German did Alexandra feel hersef to be?
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Yes, the German states had almost always provided Russia with consorts since Catherine the Great, but by the time Nicholas II married, the political and cultural climate of Russia and the military alliances had change dramatically. By the mid-19th century, Russian culture experienced an revival (after years of looking to Western Europe for culture) and Slavophile ideology became popular. That's when the traditional Russian peasant dress (including the kokoshnik, abet bejeweled) became popular at Court. Thus, Alexander II decided to look for a wife for his heir Nixa outside the German states, which is how Dagmar of Denmark (Minnie) became engaged to Nixa and later married the future Alexander III. Alexander III was also an ardent Slavophile and had made an alliance with France during his reign and hoping Nicholas II would marry a French princess (Helene of Orleans). Also, Minnie hated the German states (okay, maybe really just Prussia) because of their taking away provinces from Denmark.
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No, Alix was neurotic and plain unpleasant. Minnie, who was Danish and charming put the spotlight on her daughter-in-law's short comings.
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