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Old 05-06-2010, 02:24 PM
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Alix wanted precedence over Minnie, as she was the reigning empress and everything, which is understandable, imo. However, she disliked going out in public, she wanted things done HER way, I think. More like they had been done in her grandmother's court and stuff, and not according to Russian custom.
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Old 05-06-2010, 03:35 PM
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Alix forgot the lesson Minnie learned so well of When in Rome. . . .
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Old 05-06-2010, 10:16 PM
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Alexandra was a whiny, spoiled, immature, brattish woman. Had she truly care for Nicky's welfare and that of Russia... she would have, as Russo so wonderfully put it.... "When in Rome..."
Look at the success of Marie Feodorovna and Marie Pavlovna (Meichen)... both rather shy, unwordly young women who came to Russia and observed that was the custom and used it to their advantage...
Alix came... saw.... disapproved... then whined, turned up her nose, and openly disapproved....

Just a thought....
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Old 05-07-2010, 02:33 PM
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She must have had some idea of what was expected of a tsarina, and about Russian customs. I mean, her sister was a grand duchess. I don't know why she married Nicky if he was the tsarevitch, and would most likely become tsar one day. I think she wanted to dominate him most.
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They were in love. And they stayed in love for all of their lives. Have you read their letters to each other Persian? Library would have that as well.
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:18 PM
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Yes, and their letters do show how much they cared for each other. But like what I mean is, Alix should have had SOME idea. It always seemed to me that she had absolutely no clue. I know how difficult it is, as I am very shy and nervous around people myself, but it never really seemed to me that she really made that big an effort. It does seem to me that she did want control over Nicky. I mean, being Nicky's wife was one thing, being a tsarina is something else, imo.
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She was well aware. She just didn't do it. She got frustrated, took her ball and went home.
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Old 05-08-2010, 06:21 AM
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Perhaps being brought up so close to her maternal grandmother she was used to getting her own way, and on occasion even upstaging the queen-empress. She cared very much for her husband and her children; unfortunately for Russia she cared little about the country that had adopted her.
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Old 05-08-2010, 04:01 PM
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I don't think that is exactly true. She cared very much about Russia but did not care about the Russian nobility. However, she never embraced the country publicly or in a way which showed how she felt about Russia. Alix's reserve was picked up by the press as illustrating her contempt and this distorted view, coupled with her uneasiness in public, led to the general hatred of the masses. The government had to be toppled and Imperial Family was destroyed.
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Old 05-08-2010, 04:16 PM
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i think people forget the days when the ministers proped her self esteem up by sending her fake letters from the people its very complex
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Old 05-08-2010, 04:21 PM
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Don't forget that Alexis' hemophelia was the center of her life, and caring for him. After his bleeding episodes, she collapsed in exhaustion.
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She was stilted and cold. She was of the mind that she and her husband were God chosen. She had no people skills. She had problems. She wasn't suited to Minnie's warm and frivolous demeanor. She should have become something that didn't have to be with and give to people.
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Old 05-08-2010, 10:20 PM
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Yes, she had no people skills. I think she also judged people. I mean, if someone was wearing their dress in a way she didn't like, well, like she said, that's how they wear their dresses in Russia. Period. Alix didn't like it, she'll have to deal with it. It's no surprise people eventually gave up on her, I think.

The way she raised her daughters wasn't exactly healthy, either. I mean, I've read that they were, like Olga twenty one, and still acting like a ten year old girl, she never saw other people her age. I'm not saying she didn't love or care about her daughters, because she did, and I do think she was a good mother, just must not take things so extreme. That's one of the reasons I say she wanted total control.

I do understand that she didn't like many of the nobility, and thought they were a bad influence. But they were, after all, her daughters' family. Alix was extremely troubled, I think.
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Anyone who tried to help and advise her were thwarted and even ostracised, even her own blood kindred who had also married into the Romanov clan. She judged people unmericifully. A sad woman or an indifferent one?
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Old 05-09-2010, 08:27 AM
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A melancholy woman, by nature and environment (the loss of her mother at a young age), coupled with shyness and reserve, lacking the ability to converse freely with people, made her a miserable consort and one ill-suited to be the wife of an autocrat. Good wife and mother, but a lousy political figure.
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Old 05-09-2010, 09:11 PM
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Too true, she kicked out her own sister, Ella. It's really not surprising that there were two courts, one, Minnie's, the other, Alix's, and why most people liked Minnie's. Not only was it more traditional and glamourous, I guess you could say, but Minnie didn't treat people the way Alix did.

She did not want people to judge Rasputin, yet she judged everyone else.
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Too true, she kicked out her own sister, Ella. It's really not surprising that there were two courts, one, Minnie's, the other, Alix's, and why most people liked Minnie's.
Don't forget there was another: Miechen's.
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:39 PM
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Hi Russophile,

Yes, that's just what I was going to say - don't forget Aunt Meichen!!!

And, I really don't think one could call Alix's situation "a Court" but more of an enlarged enclave of only a few intimates.
She was very introverted in a large court setting and certainly avoided anything over 20 people (just a guesstomate!!)......

The scene in "Nicholas and Alexandra" at the Dowager Empress' birthday party shows how Alexandra retired to an alcove and Minnie danced the night away....

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Old 05-10-2010, 02:13 AM
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Alix's failings were many. We are told she was very religious and one should never pry into conscience, so I accept that as being a personal facet of her character. On the other hand, her mother in law cared more for ostentation and material goods, it is a wonder the British war ship sent to rescue her didn't sink with all the booty she escaped with.
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You are quite right, Larry, and I just read how it came about: after Ducky and Kyril's marriage and subsequent banishment. When GD Vladimir died she went into full force. This from the Sullivan book on Ducky.
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