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Old 12-18-2012, 03:48 AM
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I'm testy about it because surely, surely there might have been some sort of discreet assistance from Denmark? All those family members and not of them lifted a finger.
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:26 AM
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Ever thought it was because they were such appalling rulers no one wanted to be associated with them - after all the family members were trying to win a war, remain on their own thrones and preside over democracies.

Wilhelm II actually allowed Lenin passage through Germany to reach Russia to stir up the Bolsheviks to overthrow the Tsar - knowing what had happened to earlier kings who had been overthrown why would he do that if he really cared for his 1st cousin, Alexandra and her family - simple answer - he didn't - he cared about his own family and position not a cousin and her family.

The Danes wouldn't act without the British and as there was a war going on they didn't have the means to get any sort of force there - the Germans wouldn't have let them get a naval ship through and they couldn't send soldiers.

It has to be remembered that this did all happen with the backdrop of WWI which was way more important that what happened to a few distant relatives.
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:43 PM
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Which is kind of silly; after all, the BRF sent a ship in to rescue Greece and Constantine messed up very much the same way Nicholas II did, if not much worse. Constantine interfered with an appointment, assigned a right wing commander to the military, which triggered the junta takeover and the establishment of the dictatorship.
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:21 PM
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The Greek King wasn't an autocrat who ordered millions to their deaths. He was a constitutional monarchy. Time had also moved on - no one would care about the Greeks and they didn't go to live in Britain anyway.
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He was a constitutional monarch, but he overstepped the boundaries and ended up setting his country up to be killed by the millions. So really, why couldn't the children at least be ransomed or gotten out? NO one would have begrudged getting the kids out.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:16 AM
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A lot of people would have objected to the children leaving - not least their parents but mostly the government as that would mean there would be a focus for the opposition.

If the Russian royals really wanted them out then Nicholas and Alexandra and the girls had more than enough jewels on them to pay for any ransom themselves but they didn't want to be separated, and the parents weren't prepared to pay for their own safety, if they could have found anyone who would have taken the money.

At that time in Russia, the people were out for blood - given the appalling conditions in which the Russian people lived and the opulence of the wealthy those who could have helped were long gone, or dead, and no one left cared for them.

It is easy in hindsight to say 'why' or 'what if' but in fact there was no country who would want them, given their history, no way the Bolsheviks were going to let them go - particularly the Ural Soviet (the central government didn't have control of the entire country at that time so even if Lenin had been prepared to deal the local Soviet wasn't).

Don't forget that these 'children' included girls of marriagable age and so not all that much children as young women - Alexei was already 13, only 3 years from being able to be Tsar in his own right under the 1906 constitution, and the others were all older and easily able to be the centre of continual attacks on the new regime. They had no choice but to eliminate them so avoid the sort of situation that happened in France with restoration after restoration because there were legitimate claimants clearly identifiable still alive.

Alexei and the girls had been raised to believe that autocracy and ruthless leadeship was the way to go and many countries would have totally objected to having those sort of beliefs in prominent refugees.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:43 AM
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I think Alexandra never believed, until it was too late, that the Russian people would rise up against her husband. There was no plan to send the children out of the country and once they were trapped, it was not going to happen. No country would take the family and the government was not going to provide safe passage for the children alone.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:53 AM
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To an extent, she wasn't mistaken. Most Russians did not, in fact, join the revolution. Quite a few (in more remote areas of the country) weren't even aware of it until months, years later. What's more, how many Russian leaders of the revolution can you actually name?
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:05 AM
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I disagree. While many Russians may not have actively joined the revolution, they detested Alexandra and Nicholas, especially her. The people were starving, poor, and tired of the losses from the war. They may not have wanted the whole family massacred, but they certainly wanted the Tsar off the throne.
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:14 AM
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That may be true for интеллигенция (not sure how to translated it; probably, the educated masses mostly consisting of nobility, artists and scientists), but the vast majority of Russians at the time were uneducated peasants for whom the Tsar was the Father of the Nation, a figure of worship. They would never even dream about going against him in any way.
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romanov rescue

I been reading every books on the family, for over 20 years, being Russian blood, I never felt they were excuted , and I have this book , bought 11 years ago , read some , but never really read it, so I took it from my shelf, called ". The lost fortune of the tzars.

What I read , page 62 - 64, which stuck out to me , that the last weeks. People who were around the family removed , and the one thing odd, the priest mass, they didn't seem to find the family different, that the mass was not how the family did in a mass, and that last mass, that was not the royal family, and this is a new piece , that I feel they lived , like to know what others out there think
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I think not. They have their skeletal remains. Alexandra, especially, would never have disappeared out of sight. She was too dramatic. Do you think they moved to where and opened a business?
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I don't think there is any doubt they were executed, there's too much evidence of it.


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