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Old 09-25-2015, 12:27 PM
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The Heads of the ROC in Russia sound like a bunch of bullheaded individuals. If they didn't recognize the rest of the Tsar and his family, why are they buried in a Russian Church?
The Russian Orthodox Church has canonized Tsar Nicholas II and his family, martyrs in the eyes of the Church. The official stance is that the Church wants to be absolutely sure that the remains, attributed to the Tsarevich and his sister Grand-Duchess Maria, are indeed theirs and can be added to their parents and siblings. As they are canonized, the graves of the last Tsar and his family are a place of pilgrimage. The Church does not want to rely on external testing but wants to have a full and detailed report from experts they themselves have appointed. Nothing wrong with that.
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:32 PM
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I wonder whether the Russian Orthodox Church may be requiring further authentication because of the family's canonisation as Martyrs or Passion-Bearers: would that have a bearing on the importance of the location of their interment being correctly ascertained?
May they rest in peace.
Yes that is it. They do not want to see people making pilgrimages to visit graves of Martyrs and Saints but not being sure if it indeed are the Tsarevich and his sister Grand-Duchess Maria.
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:33 PM
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Video report of the forthcoming burial of Alexei and Maria -

Началась дополнительная генетическая экспертиза останков *омановых / Новости культуры / Tvkultura.ru

On 18 October - Saint's day of Tsarevich Alexei, the last heir to the Russian throne. After almost a century, this day can find one more symbolic meaning - it is regarded as a possible date for the burial of the remains of Tsarevich Alexei and his sister Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna.
Details of the upcoming ceremony is kept in strict confidence. But in St. Catherine chapel, where is buried the family of the last Russian emperor, is works in full preparation. Access is closed, and before it is installed a picture: it shows the plate with the names of Maria Nikolaevna and Alexei Nikolayevich which were established in 1998. They are no different from the rest, except for one detail - they left the place where, after October 18 will be carved the last date.
"The family clearly believes that those remains. The family clearly recognizes the remains. For history is important because it closes some pages, some of the stages of Russian history"- said the representative of the Association of the Romanov dynasty in Russia Ivan Artsishevsky.
Now will be buried children - emphasize the Peter and Paul Cathedral staff - representatives of the Romanov dynasty. That is what will determine the scenario of the ceremony first. And secondly, the high status of Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna.
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Old 10-20-2015, 07:40 AM
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ROMANOV FAMILY REMAINS: UPDATE 16 OCTOBER, 2015.

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TSAR ALEXANDER III WILL BE EXHUMED: UPDATE ON ROMANOV FAMILY REMAINS

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It is praised that maximum clarity is wanted about the DNA of the Tsarevtich and his sister.
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Old 10-27-2015, 05:23 AM
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I have a theory about the latest round of testing. In 1998 Patriarch Alexy II could not (or would not) recognise the remains. He died in 2008 and his successor Patriarch Kirill may now want to settle this issue once and for all. But if Patriarch Kirill just recognised them without further testing, it might be seen as a criticism of Patriarch Alexy II's stubborn refusal to do so, and his failure to preside at the funeral of the glorified Passion Bearers. This way, Patriarch Kirill can recognise the remains of those already buried, and those still languishing in the Russian State Archives. Because his decision will be based on new evidence, he can do so without the implied criticism of his predecessor. Then the entire family can finally be laid to rest with the appropriate liturgy. Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens after the exhumation and testing of Emperor Alexander III.
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I agree with your assessment. It is walking eggs for the Russian Orthodox Church, they want to avoid the fathful to venerate "Saints" and "Martyrs" while in reality it are the bones of an unknown Mr X or Mrs Y.
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I wonder if the remains of the last Tsars sisters Xenia and Olga will ever be reburied in their native Russia?


Grand Duchess Xenia is buried in the South of France
Grand Duchess Olga is buried in Canada
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Russian has announced that DNA tests of the remains confirm their identity to be that of Tsar Nicholas II.


Russia says new DNA tests confirm last tsar's remains
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IC: The examination did confirm the identity of Nicholas's II and Alexandra Fedorovna's remains. - Gazeta.Ru |

SledCom: Genetic tests confirmed the identities of Nicholas II's and Empress Alexandra Fedorovna's remains.

Tests will continue to identify all the remains from Ekaterinburg.
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DNA confirms bodies are Tsar Nicholas II & Alexandra

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Was the exhumation of Tsar Alexander III done to obtain DNA to confirm his son Nicholas's identity, or those of his grandchildren Alexei and Maria?

May they all rest in peace.
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ROMANOV FAMILY: TOMB OF TSAR ALEXANDER III OPENED PREVIOUSLY?

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I hope everyone in the end to be satisfied and finally this unfortunate family to rest in peace.
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Vesti.ru: Alexander III's tomb may be opened on 24 November 2015

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Remains of Tsesarevich Alexey, Grand Duchess Maria transferred to Novospassky Monastery

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Moscow, December 24, Interfax - The remains of two children of Russia's last Emperor Nicholas II, Tsevarevich Alexey and Grand Duchess Maria, are in the Novospassky Monastery in Moscow, Sergey Mironenko, a member of the State Archive and a member of the governmental working group, told Interfax.
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Why would you canonize people who were hardly saints.
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The Roman Catholic Church does it all the time, so why not the Russian Orthodox?
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