Plots to Rescue the Tsar and His Family

[Avicenna]

Originally Posted by lexi4

I see you are new! (So am I actually.) Welcome to the forums. I hope you enjoy it. I know I certainly do.

So do I. This forum is simply greatly. Very informative. Been watching it for quite some time, but never dared to post before until I stumbled over these Romanov discussions. Just thought I had to through in my two cents worth .

[lexi4]

Originally Posted by Avicenna

So do I. This forum is simply greatly. Very informative. Been watching it for quite some time, but never dared to post before until I stumbled over these Romanov discussions. Just thought I had to through in my two cents worth .

I am do glad you did. The Romanovs are my favorite discussions/topic. I love Russian history. Please keep posting.
Lexi

[AGRBear]

Setting aside the DNA controversial entries, Shay McNeal's book, THE PLOTS TO RESCUE THE TSAR , reveals to us that she was engaged in a search to discover various plots to rescue Nicholas II. Along the way she came across RECUING THE CZAR, which you can read on the following online site.

Rescuing the Czar by James P. Smythe - Full Text Free Book

Of course, there are obvious points which tell us that the author/authors were not aware of Alexei's hemophilia, or, he/they would have ended the book, RESCUING THE CZAR, differently.

But McNeals hasn't directed you toward this book because she believes every word written in it really happen to the Romanovs. She discovered that some of the story might have been based on some truths, real plots to rescue Nicholas II...

I believe that McNeal's book is not a book for a novice who has little or some knowledge about the life of Nicholas II and his family. I believe, its a book for people like myself who are always looking for answers to questions most of you wouldn't even think of asking.

Sometimes I buy a book just because of one sentence or a particular source that carried me into the most interesting adventures about the Romanovs and sometimes just about people like the author/authors of this obsure book RESCUING THE CZAR, Shay McNeal and a woman whom I know as Elisabeth, who's father-in-law published RESCUING THE CZAR in San Francisco and who is one of the leaders of a group who do not like THE PLOTS TO RESCUE THE TSAR.

I've heard pros and cons about McNeals book, and, you will no doubt see a flurry of posts that will follow mine. The majority will not want you to "waste your money".

When I have time, I'll post some of the rescue plots McNeal believes she had found in her search.

Gotta run.

AGRBear

[Russophile]

Bear! I'm glad you're here!
I look forward to your logical and illuminating posts!!

[lexi4]

Originally Posted by AGRBear

Setting aside the DNA controversial entries, Shay McNeal's book, THE PLOTS TO RESCUE THE TSAR , reveals to us that she was engaged in a search to discover various plots to rescue Nicholas II. Along the way she came across RECUING THE CZAR, which you can read on the following online site.

Rescuing the Czar by James P. Smythe - Full Text Free Book

Of course, there are obvious points which tell us that the author/authors were not aware of Alexei's hemophilia, or, he/they would have ended the book, RESCUING THE CZAR, differently.

But McNeals hasn't directed you toward this book because she believes every word written in it really happen to the Romanovs. She discovered that some of the story might have been based on some truths, real plots to rescue Nicholas II...

I believe that McNeal's book is not a book for a novice who has little or some knowledge about the life of Nicholas II and his family. I believe, its a book for people like myself who are always looking for answers to questions most of you wouldn't even think of asking.

Sometimes I buy a book just because of one sentence or a particular source that carried me into the most interesting adventures about the Romanovs and sometimes just about people like the author/authors of this obsure book RESCUING THE CZAR, Shay McNeal and a woman whom I know as Elisabeth, who's father-in-law published RESCUING THE CZAR in San Francisco and who is one of the leaders of a group who do not like THE PLOTS TO RESCUE THE TSAR.

I've heard pros and cons about McNeals book, and, you will no doubt see a flurry of posts that will follow mine. The majority will not want you to "waste your money".

When I have time, I'll post some of the rescue plots McNeal believes she had found in her search.

Gotta run.

AGRBear

Hi Bear,
I agree, the book isn't for a novice. I'm glad you posted the link to Rescuing because I don't think you can grasp a lot of what Shay says without reading it and knowing the history behind it. I also know Elisabeth, she doesn't really like to talk about Rescuing or at least that is my experience with her. Shay's book is about plots and conspiracies and is a good read from that standpoint. My biggest problem was with her discussion of the DNA. She could have written the book without that. The discussion of the plots and conspiracies to save the Imperial Family could stand on its own.
I'll get my book and try to help in posting some of the alleged plots she discusses.
Lexi

[AGRBear]

Thank you Russophile and Lexi4.

All help will be greatly appreicated.

If you want to copy the book, it is easier if you use the following site which is Gutenberg Books that one can copy for free and legally:

Rescuing the Czar by James P. Smythe - Project Gutenberg

AGRBear

[AGRBear]

THE PLOTS TO RESCUE THE TSAR
by Shay McNeal

p. 22
>>...In addition to political circumstanes, Germany, the Allies and Japan, as well as several other nations, still had ties to the Tsar that influened their reaction to the revolution and shaped behind-the-scenes intrigues. As we shall see later, the manoeuvers, which grew from these considerations, generated a chain of actitivities in the various countries that have remained mysterious and virtually untraceable until now.<<

Chapter 2 then goes into detail about all the "Parties In Interest".

Apparently, Tobolsk and later Ekaterinburg were swarming with all kinds of factions in 1918.

Tracking down the various Bolsheviki involved in preventing a rescue is just as complex as trying to discover all the different factions (personal, political, and men looking for adventure and glory, and, last but not least, there were the military leaders, who had their own agendas) who were plotting to rescue Nicholas II. Added to this mix were the double and triple agents.

It is my point of view that we pick a particular rescue plot and discuss it before moving to other plots.

Since we not just talking about Shay McNeal's book, only including her information, I believe one of the first plot was by Great Britian's King George V, who felt ex-Tsar Nicholas II should immediately be removed from Russia and out of the hands of the Provisional Govt., who had the ex-Tsar Nicholas II under a arrest after his abdication in March of 1917.

Since I'm not as familar with this plot / plots, perhaps someone who is, can give us more details.

AGRBear

[Picmajik]

Originally Posted by Marengo

About George V: I always find it curious that they usually present it either he invited the Romanovs and Britain would end up as a communist republic or he doesn't invite the Romanovs and it stays a monarchy. I think that is rather over simplifying the past, probably done to give Geoge's decision some credibility.

Wasn't part of the problem also that no one dreamed that the family would be executed? Exiled surely, held for ransom likely but no one could have really forseen that they would all be shot. I think that is what Edward VIII had said at one point and that his father later regretted his actions. Of course that could just be Edward's spin on things or not understanding what all may have been planned or not at the time.

[Russophile]

Of course nobody wants to believe that they'll be killed, but look at the position. Maybe it should have a disclaimer something along the lines in the job description: May include beheading if masses aren't happy.
If you're going to be king, you had best have a firm hold on your subjects, through entertainment (Rome-Colosseum), religion and structured rites (Egypt) , charisma (France-Louis 14) or fear (Transylvania, our old pal Vlad the Impaler), or "D": All of The Above.
Anybody who DIDN'T think they might be assassinated in a position of power is just plain naive.

[lexi4]

Once they left Tobolosk, I think most knew there would be no return.

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by lexi4

Once they left Tobolosk, I think most knew there would be no return.

I agree. So, in my opinion, they just their heads in the sand.

[colynsmomma]

Doea anyone know the reations of the rulers when they where killed? I thought that I read that they kinda expected it of Nicky but not of the children and the Empress.

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by colynsmomma

Doea anyone know the reations of the rulers when they where killed? I thought that I read that they kinda expected it of Nicky but not of the children and the Empress.

Sometime last year the leading German political magazine DER SPIEGEL published an article about the latest historical research of the involvement of emperor Wilhelm II: in the taking over of the Bolsheviks in Russia and it said that the emperor had financed Lenin and his people to get rid of the Tsar. He okayed the killing of his cousin, but agreed to take the empress and the children. They found no document claiming that the emperor felt guilty or was sad that his cousin had been killed.

[Russophile]

Jo, if you can find that article, I'd love to take a gander at it!

[AGRBear]

Kaiser Wilhlem II was greatly interested in saving the royal family members. It had been the Germans who had prevented the Bolsheviks from capturing the Romanovs in the Crimea and there was a plot to save Nicholas II and his family around the 16th of July 1918 from the Ipatiev House.

Yes, I did write the 16th of July 1918.

AGRBear

[AGRBear]

Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine

Sometime last year the leading German political magazine DER SPIEGEL published an article about the latest historical research of the involvement of emperor Wilhelm II: in the taking over of the Bolsheviks in Russia and it said that the emperor had financed Lenin and his people to get rid of the Tsar. He okayed the killing of his cousin, but agreed to take the empress and the children. They found no document claiming that the emperor felt guilty or was sad that his cousin had been killed.

Does your article mention the rescue plot to save Nicholas II around the date of 16th of July 1918?

AGRBear

[AnastasiaEvidence]

The bolsheviks were making a plot with the American hotel to rescue the imperial family. But, it was a trap. It's just like on July 16th when Yurosky woke up the imperial family he told them they were under an attack and needed to go in a lower part of the house. It was actually a lie they made so they could kill them in the cellar room.

[AGRBear]

The fake letter the Bolsheviks sent to Nicholas II and his family is a different event than that of the plots being set up by the Germans, Whites, loyalists and others. So, I'm not sure how to respond to your post AnatasiaEvidence. Did you want turn this discussion towards the fake letter?

AGRBear

[lexi4]

I think the topic here is plots. Bear, wasn't there something about a house built in Murmansk for the Imperial family? It's been so long since I read about this. I think the Americans helped fund it, am I remembering this correctly?
Lexi

[AnastasiaEvidence]

Yes, please focus on the fake letter that the American hotel sent to the imperial family. It's been so long after I read about this it's a pity that the exact letter written couldn't be found. I hope you have some more information about the letter. I did see a letter in French that a officer written to Nicholas asking to rescue him and his family. If I find that letter I can translate it myself. If any of you find the letter and it's in French I could translate it for you.