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Old 12-17-2012, 04:32 PM
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What the murders did was pave the way for Nazism.

For these reasons:

1) It set a precedent that government officials could decide the fate of millions
2) It set a precedent that anyone targeted was not entitled to a trial, but summary execution
3) It set the precedent that there were people classed as 'undesirables' and were therefore not human and allowed to be treated as human beings
4) It empowered the State to 'do what was neccesary,' no matter what that 'mission' was, leaving the 'mission' and 'solution' up to interpretation
5) Set up a structure of mass murder and all sorts of justifications
6) Enabled someone from a foreign country (Stalin was Georgian, not Russian) to come and take power and wield unchecked power over a country
7) Enabled a system to be set up where people could be taken out of their homes in the dark of night and murdered by secret police
8) Enabled leaders to classify humans as either useful or useless and therefore fit for extermination
9) Enabled Hitler to justify the murder of millions, pointing out Communists and using the threat of Bolshevism to justify his 'fight' aginst Jews
10) Enabled a system of arbitrary justice where one person could decide, while being as capricious as they wanted about the results

That is the real evil of the murder of the Imperial Family and the true evil of the Communists.

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People of Russia do not have to repent for tsar family killing – culture minister

Moscow, October 31, Interfax - Russian Culture Minister Vladimir Medinsky does not believe that the blame for the killing of Russia's last Emperor Nicholas II and his family rests with the people of Russia.

"I don't believe the people of Russia should repent for the killing of the tsar's family because the people of Russia did not kill the tsar's family. It was done by several bastards on the orders of other bastards," the minister said at the 5th International Festival of Orthodox Media Faith and Word, commenting on the statement made by one delegate referring to the discussion on the need for the people of Russia to repent for their sins to the tsar's family, which has been occurring on the Internet for the past few years.

Medinsky also spoke about the issue of the burial of the body of Vladimir Lenin, saying that "the Culture Ministry will not come up with any initiatives regarding any burials and re-burials."

"It is our official position, and there is also my private opinion as a citizen," the minister said, adding that he would not like his private opinion on this issue, which he characterize as "rather sharp," to be associated with the official position of the government
I have ot agree; Russians have done nothing wrong. It was a sick minority of sadists who had a class envy bone to pick. It was all about class, not about justice or about anything to do with real crimes. Regular Russians just wanted bread and shelter and solid good working conditions. they didn't want mass murder.

It irks me when reps of Maria V. spout about how all Russians must atone. I am sure that means that she deserves a throne.
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Faithful British servant murdered by the Bolsheviks alongside 'last tsar of Russia' has his name cleared | Mail Online

He was Grand Duke Michael's manservant.
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Massacre of the Russian royals: Horrific last hours of a dynasty

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The Devastating True Story of the Romanov Family's Execution

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It was horrific and tragic. They murdered children, which was heinous. But try and superimpose your thoughts to those that had lived in virtual destitution, ignorance and hopelessness those 300 years. And the callous ways they were treated. Nicholas was not a monster. And his height seems to be a focus, but it means nothing. His lack of compassion and real understanding of his subjects is his abject failure. And his wife's hypochondriac life didn't help. He was between a rock and a hard place.
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Hi, @Countess! What makes you so sure, that you not fell for communist propaganda? I mean, there was hopelessness in Russia for 300 years? That depressed they were, they got a lot of things done!
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Old 10-15-2016, 05:49 AM
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I seem to remember some speculation that two (the youngest?) of the children were not murdered with the rest of the family. Has that been resolved? Was it simply because their bodies were not found with and at the same time as the rest of the family?
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Old 10-15-2016, 06:07 AM
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It probably has been posted earlier in this thread but indeed there was some speculation
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...DNA-study.html
Russia exhumes bones of murdered Tsar Nicholas and wife - BBC News
I'm not sure if a new DNA test was conducted for the remaining two children..
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Old 10-15-2016, 01:18 PM
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So tragic. Why can't they just be left to rest in peace?
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