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Old 07-29-2011, 09:10 AM
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Yes, well, that was/is his legal name.

Though one imagines once the family regained their Russian citizenship he became simply "Georgiy Mikhailovich Romanov," or something similar.

It would be interesting to know if Maria and George are accorded their titles on their Russian passports and identity papers.
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I know officially Grand Duke George never presents himself as a Prince of Prussia.
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Old 07-29-2011, 09:19 AM
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Indeed, of that much we are all aware.
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Taking into account the official site of the Imperial House he has always been called only Grand Duke and Tsarevich.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:52 AM
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"His Imperial Highness the Tsesarevich and Grand Duke Georgii Mihailovich was born on March 13th (new church calendar) 1981 in Madrid, on the eve of the 100th Anniversary of the martyrdom of his Great-great-grandfather Emperor Alexander II the Liberator (1/14 March, 1881). He was born of the marriage of H.I.H. the Grand Duchess Maria Wladimirovna to H.I.H. Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovich (born H.R.H. Prince Franz-Wilhelm of Prussia)."
His Imperial Higheness heir to the throne the Grand Duke Georgii Mihailovich

"In 1976, Grand Duchess Maria Wladimirovna entered into an equal marriage with Prince Franz-Wilhelm of Prussia, who, after being received into the Orthodox Church, was granted the title Grand Duke and the name Mikhail Pavlovich by Grand Duke Wladimir III Kirillovich. The marriage was later dissolved by divorce. "
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No offense but you're quoting from the Imperial House's website, which is a biased source.
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When you speak about a marriage the best source is not the official site of the couple?
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:32 PM
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That's not a compliment. He is soft and chubby. A mamma's boy. What a prize.
I just have to agree with Cory on this basis; he looks like he has a close relationship and she (Maria) strikes me as a woman who is eager to ensure that her son doesn't get taken advantage of and manipulated by (and there are a lot of them out there) unscrupulous women out there who would use him for his lineage and (however disputed) dynastic status.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:01 PM
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Is he really that desirable because of a claim to a throne which has been vacant for nearly 100 years and probably will remain vacant for the indeterminate future? Now if Maria and Georgi have a fortune, then there might be some women out there eager to marry him but I don't see that his claim to the throne makes him prey for unscrupulous women in particular.
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VM you are right on the mark. Other than if they have money, no one of any note or not, will have any interest in Mr. Chubby cheeks. Actually, I wish he could just find a nice lady of his own and go on and have a life, instead of this made up one.
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I wonder how Maria would stand having anything less than perfection for her son.
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She should just look into a mirror and become realistic. This is a fairy tale, that doesn't exist. He is a plump, "Grand Duke" of nothing, in a world that doesn't really care. She is keeping alive the flames of an archaic life, that will no longer be. Too bad. They should just be happy.
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Old 07-30-2011, 12:54 AM
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But they are going to post/proclaim that which backs up their claim. Just because the website is the "official" website of the Imperial House doesn't mean the information is right. I don't recognize them as the rightful heirs to the throne so I see the information they posted on ther "official" webiste as being inaccurrate and twisted to support their claim to the throne. Somebody else who belives their claim to throne may take it as legitimate, accurate information.

And really, anybody can make up a website and claim it's "official".
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The fact you do not recognize the Imperial Family is your personal problem.For the russian authorities and for the Orthodox Church things are very clear.
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Old 07-30-2011, 06:55 AM
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...For the russian authorities and for the Orthodox Church things are very clear.
Being Russian myself I'm curious to know, Cory, which 'Russian authorities' do you have in mind? Any prooflinks?
Mrs Romanova is highly unpopular in Russia herself among the people, and among the elite.
The Orthodox Church is not a part of the Russian political system. It's one of several confessions in Russia, but not the state religion.
Thus its' opinion is not relevant for changing the Constitution and the form of the state.
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Old 07-30-2011, 12:43 PM
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The fact you do not recognize the Imperial Family is your personal problem.For the russian authorities and for the Orthodox Church things are very clear.
Still looking for unbiased proof or information. A Website created by those who have a slanted and biased interest is not a reliable source.

And yet again, you have deliberately insulted those who do not share your beliefs.

This is the second time that I am pointing out your rudeness and insults. There are many forums out there who hold beliefs similar to yours and perhaps you might enjoy visiting those rather than coming here to hurl these kinds of slurs and abuses at us.
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Do Russians want to restore monarchy? I am not sure.
I've been traveling a lot to Russia as part of my job. I travel to Moscow, Kiev, and St. Petersburg, although mostly to Moscow. I'm astonished at a lot of things there, so many changes from when I traveled there as a high school student during the height of the Cold War, just before the fall of the Soviet Union.

And I can tell you first hand, from my discussions with my professional colleagues in my firm in Russia and our client base in Russia, that the very idea of a restoration is beyond credibility. And as someone else who is Russian on this board pointed out, Maria Romanova is not a credible person, nor is her son. I won't belabour the point by describing their imitations of her.

(We don't discuss it during business hours, but after hours over dinner & drinks. As a person with an interest in Royalty, I'm always the one who brings it up.)

But I will tell you this much: there is a clear age delineation of who even knows who she and her son are, versus who doesn't. Essentially, anyone under age 30 has to have Maria and Georgi explained to them. They just don't know and they don't care. Over 30, it's a crapshoot. Some know. Some don't. Not one even cares, except to say that there's a place for everyone in the new economy (usually said with a laugh.)
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Being Russian myself I'm curious to know, Cory, which 'Russian authorities' do you have in mind? Any prooflinks?
Mrs Romanova is highly unpopular in Russia herself among the people, and among the elite.
The Orthodox Church is not a part of the Russian political system. It's one of several confessions in Russia, but not the state religion.
Thus its' opinion is not relevant for changing the Constitution and the form of the state.
Right you are ...
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Being Russian myself I'm curious to know, Cory, which 'Russian authorities' do you have in mind? Any prooflinks?
Mrs Romanova is highly unpopular in Russia herself among the people, and among the elite.
The Orthodox Church is not a part of the Russian political system. It's one of several confessions in Russia, but not the state religion.
Thus its' opinion is not relevant for changing the Constitution and the form of the state.
You must just see the visits in Russia of Grand Duchess Maria and how she was received everywhere by the authorities in the capital and by local authorities.
The Russian Orthodox Church represents the majority of the Russian and all the politicians in Russia respect what it says.
I do not offend anybody if I recommend to read first the laws of the imperial House and only than to speak about the Succession to the Russian Throne.
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You must just see the visits in Russia of Grand Duchess Maria and how she was received everywhere by the authorities in the capital and by local authorities.
The Russian Orthodox Church represents the majority of the Russian and all the politicians in Russia respect what it says.
I do not offend anybody if I recommend to read first the laws of the imperial House and only than to speak about the Succession to the Russian Throne.
Thank you, Cory, for your recomendations about reading. I've done it before enrolling to TRF.
That is not true about the support from the authorities. Do you have any proofs? I suppose not. NotAPretender is absolutely right about no support for restoration in Russia among the citizens(except that Kyiv is no more Russia, but Ukraine).
The Orthodox Church does not represent 'the majority' of the population. Try to Google for Russian muslims someday, Cory.
The position of the Ortodox Church is similar to the position of the Cactuses' fans society. They are non-governmental organizations. They are not the part of the governing system.
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So the majority of Russians are not orthodox?
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