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Old 09-30-2006, 03:55 PM
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Sean,
My question related to a hypothetical return of the Romanov's to the throne. If this were to happen then surely some sort of investigation would occur to establish the most eligible candidate. If Russia is a party to the legislation I questioned then the "Pauline" house laws could not be applied &, obviously Maria Vladimirovna would be the obvious heir.
The point of the second part of my post (and my post in the reburial thread )was that Maria Vladimirovna is the obvious heir *according* to the Pauline House Laws.

Moreover, the Russian Federation has pretty much recognized the Vladimirovichi line as the legitimate claimants. This was particularly true during the Yeltsin years.
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Old 09-30-2006, 04:07 PM
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Sean, although Russia is a republic, the Romanovs were hardly removed peacefully. There are many people in Russia (22% apparantly) who are monarchists. Those people want someone to look to, to call their would-be Empress and Maria's doing the right thing by working hard for Russia and appearing in public so that those who want to treat her like an Empress, can.
I will try this again. This time I will strive to be clearer.

As I said, it is a matter for the family & its supporters to decide upon. Typically, this is done based on the laws effect at the time the monarchy ended.

Moreover, if one were to go by these laws, one would come to the conclusion that MV is the legitimate claimant to the (non-existant) Romanov throne.

However, since there is no actual throne and it is all hypothetical, people (Like the Nichaeolovichi and the numerous "survivors") will try to make to take advantage and make absurd claims and assertions. It will be up to the various family members and Romanov supporters to decide as to who they want to back. There is no compulsion to support one candidate over another, because it is all pretend. In other words, they should support MV, but people will do whatever suits their own ends. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. Russia has more pressing problems.

Finally, I know that there are some monarchists in Russia (they usually tend to be the more extreme right-wing elements), However, I question the 22% percent figure, and would be curious to get more details on the study conducted.
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I think that you raise a good point Sean. At the end of the day, it's how the President of Russia relates to the family and Yeltsin adored Maria. Putin is equally impressed by her and I think that it is the fact that she doesn't buy into the bickering and giving interviews about her title and her past - she just works with Russian charities and represents Russia where-ever and however she can and I think that for communists like Putin and Yeltsin, there's a big stress on working for respect and not just being given it because of birthright and nobody can claim that Maria doesn't work hard for her respect.
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However, I question the 22% percent figure, and would be curious to get more details on the study conducted.
No survey or poll will ever come out 100% accurate. Ask 100 monarchists and you get 100%, ask 100 Republicans and you get 100% also so it's hard to determine. I think it was conducted by RealMeter who also conducted polls in Korea and Greece.
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No survey or poll will ever come out 100% accurate. Ask 100 monarchists and you get 100%, ask 100 Republicans and you get 100% also so it's hard to determine. I think it was conducted by RealMeter who also conducted polls in Korea and Greece.
Do you have a link by any chance or know when it was conducted & what the actual question was? I''m just curious, as I'm sure others are.

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Old 09-30-2006, 04:19 PM
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I'll find the link. I think it's furthur up in this thread or at the GREMB. If I can find it, I'll post it. I know that the result for Korea was 54.4% and for Russia it was 22%, I can't remember the Greece one. But I'll find it.
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http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2....7667&PageNum=0

There's the link.
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Old 09-30-2006, 05:06 PM
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Thank you. Sorry, I thought I was going to get a link to the actual survey rather than an article. This survey was conducted by a Russian organization.

In any case, as I thought, the 22 percent figure was incorrect.
Thhe article clearly states that:

-Only 10 percent of those surveyed want a monarchy. 3 percent believe in autocracy and 6 percent would like to see a constitutional monarchy. Of those surveyed, ten perecent would support a new dynasty, while only 6 percent wold like to see a Romanov restoration;

--22 percent though the old Soviet System was the best the country ever had and;

-47 percent support the current Presidential system.

Thank you, Beatrixfan, for the link. :-)
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Old 09-30-2006, 05:17 PM
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I apologise - I havent got the actual survery. It's interesting that the 22% figure was taken from 14600 people. I wonder if it was nation wide then it could be very different.
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I apologise - I havent got the actual survery. It's interesting that the 22% figure was taken from 14600 people. I wonder if it was nation wide then it could be very different.
Yes, but the 22 percent figure was referring to those who supported the Soviet System. Not the monarchial one. Only 10 percent supported the idea of monarchy.
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Oh I see! My mistake. It had been circulated with 22% being the figure supporting the Monarchy on some sites.
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With the poll percentage issue settled we'll open a new thread.

Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna: Current Claimant to the Throne Part 2 can be found here
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