Oh, please! Everyone knows that your goddess is Anna Anderson. Your defending her like she's your god. You have been doing it for many years!
I don't have to get an answer from court. It's already historically proven that Anastasia isn't Anna Anderson. In books, documentaries, newspapers and internet articles state this. Why don't you go to court and take your story of 'AA being Anastasia'? I'm quite sure the jurry and the judge would laugh at you. You wouldn't have a defendant!
Yes, I've already read it, and it doesn't convince me that Anastasia knew German. You have no evidence, Black cat of Anastasia speaking German. As far as I'm concerned, Anastasia knew NO GERMAN!
I've already stated what Olga and Gilliard both said about AA. They said she wasn't Anastasia, too them she just didn't appear to look like her in the face, and eyes. They never had any thoughts of her being Anastasia, because of the langauge of Russian and English she didn't speak at the time. No, evidence of AA speaking Russian.Sydney Gibbes defiantly knew she wasn't Anastasia because of how bad her English was. Did you see all of Anastasia's letters in English, French and Russian? her original handwriting?
You seem to know a lot about me without even having met me. What really seems to upset you, is that I know a lot more about the subject than you obviously do. Still, I wish we did not have to drag this down to a personal level.....
Actually, it is not. That's why this discussion continues.
Maybe you could give us some excerpts.
An interesting aspect. You remember Moritz Furtmayr and his PIK method of making a face-print of people? Well, is so happens that his method was accepted by the German court in criminal cases. He also pointed out that AA and Anastasia had identical ears. Armed with that information, I think AA would have won her case if her supporters had decided to reopen it.
When Anastasia's own school books cannot convince you, then I cannot either. And why argue, the proof is right there, and your denying it will not make a difference.
Funny you should mention eyes, even Gilliard had to admit that her eyes looked like Anastasia's.
And if Gilliard did not think that she could be Anastasia, why did he tell Olga differently? Because Olga was the one who wrote to Gilliard and told him to go to Berlin. "If it really is her, let me know, and I shall go to Berlin."
I will not repeat this any more. See my earlier post on this subject.
Her handwriting was found to be identical to Anna Anderson's by Lucy Weiszäcker from the Cornelius Institute, and also Minna Becker, a graphologist expert appointed by the Hamburg court.
Indeed we do!
This is another example of something that never been proven. These are only rumours. If, AA knew Russian, and French , I would think she would try to prove it to Olga Alexandrovna and Pierre Gilliard. They said she didn't know any, and wanted to speak in German. So, they instantly knew that wasn't Anastasia.But, she didn't so therefore that isn't true. The people who actually talked to Anastasia, in those languages. The AA supporters like to make up differences between Franziska Schanzkowska and, such as the languages they spoke and physical differences. If AA claimed she knew Russian why didn't she speak it? She was only adding on lies and excuses to that.
Yes, Russian is very similar to Polish. The dialet is very similar.. Completely different langauges though. AA/FS was born in 1896 in Poland. She was nearly five years older than the Real Anastasia.AA is a fraud; she was Franziska a Polish factory worker. People are only refusing to believe in this because they make up excuses about AA and FS disapearing at a different time. I know you haven't read much on the Imperial family.
Obviously, you are getting the wrong information from the wrong people. They didn't even know Anastasia as much as the people who was against AA. What about when she acted like she was Roman Catholic! Anastasia, was Russian Orthodox the opposite of Catholism.
Anastasia, never knew Geman! Alix, was born in Germany. But, she grew up in England with her grandmother Queen Victoria. Princess Alix spoke with a proper English accent. The grand duchesses didn't need to know German because their Hohenzollern relatives already knew English. There is no proof of OTMA speaking German. I haven't seen one of Anastasia's schoolbooks in German. Maybe, in French, English and Russian! But, NOT GERMAN! I've never seen any of Anastasia's letters in German.
Yes, you are right, Minna Becker said AA and Anastasia's signatures match. The court didn't even include that, though they said it wasn't enough of the signatures! But, on the other hand Pierre Gilliard said that she's been practicing and trying to immitate Anastasia's handwriting. It's just like with the photographs, AA tried to immitate Anastasia's expressions in the photos so she can trick people into thinking she's Anastasia. She went to America, so she can get Americans to believe that she was Anastasia! She had a scheme.
Yeah...right! Although I never even met you. It's quite said you don't have your facts straight! No, I think, I know a lot more about OTM and especially Anastasia more than you do! If you did, you wouldn't be believing in AA. Or, mentioning anything about Anastasia speaking any German. She never did! You don't want to see the truth!
I don't agree. Dr. Furtmayr, believes AA was Anastasia. I don't think AA would have won her case because many of Anastasia's family members knew AA wasn't Anastasia. They were trying to work to end AA and her phony ways. They were really getting sick and tired of her trying to pretend to be a member of the Imperial family.
No, they are not "rumors", they are actual affidavits in the German court.
If Gilliard instantly knew that it was not Anastasia, why did Olga come all the way to Berlin to see her? And remember, Gilliard had to admit in the Hamburg court that AA spoke Russian to Shura. I think we know now that the man was a liar, he has been caught in quite a few of them.
AA claimed that she knew no Russian and spoke no Russian, not the reverse.
FS was born in Germany. The town she was born in, is now in Poland.
FS was a GERMAN factory worker. And again, they did not disappear at a different time: AA was found on February 17th, 1920. Franziska disappeared on March 9th, 1920.
AA never acted as a Roman Catholic. That was a rumor started by Markov, who was sitting some distance behind her in church and could not see how she crossed herself. According to Harriet Rathlef-Keilmann, Ms. Speier, Mr. Urvantsov and the clergy at Schloss Seeon, AA knew the Russian Orthodox rites extremely well.
This is the same Felix who later was willing to change his view against a portion of the fabled tsarist fortune, isn't it?
And many people believed in her.
Her school books were found on an auction in London and purchased to see if it was possible to find a fingerprint in one of them. But the little Grand Duchess was very neat, and not a single smudge could be found that bore her fingerprint. What the books showed, however, was that her German bore fewer mistakes than her Russian.
This would be the same Gilliard who said that AA's signature on a postcard from the hospital looked very much like Anastasia's when she was about 13, wouldn't it? And how AA could mimic photos of Anastasia when most of these photos were not published till many, many years later, is beyond me. As for the trip to America, that was arranged by Xenia Leeds. No scheme involved here.
I think it is transparently obvious who has the facts right here.
Wrong, Dr. Furtmayr proved that AA was AN. That the family was sick and tired of her is another matter.
Again, why did he ask Olga to come to Berlin after having seen AA? Seems to me that he changed his opinion for other reasons.
The first question a good lawyer is asking is: what had she to gain? How much more important was it to her to keep her mother happy, who wanted to deny what had happened in Russia or how much money did she hope she'd get once Nicholas and the whole family were dead?
In what language exactly did Anna Anderson talk when she was found? you say she didn't speak Russian and French and only a little German and English - did she speak in Mandarin then?
Exactly! It is no fairytale, nor mystery. It really is sick. I believe the real Anastasia,would be angry at you all asking if she was AA or not! I agree, the DNA is very ample evidence.You all are lying about the truth. I'm the one who really knows so much about the Real Anastasia. Anastasia' family members already had enough to deal with including the fact that Aunt Irene lost her sister Alix, and Grand duchess Ellla. The the fact, that Olga Alexandrovna lost her brother Nicky and his four daughters and son.
You're very ridiculous. Anastasia acutally died in July 17, 1918. No, 1917 you are so wrong! AA was some woman who came from a wounded explosion and tried to kill herself. I know you don't know who the Real Anastaisa is, she's the mischeivious, playful, smart, carefree and funny girl. AA was, a mentally ill, sick, and lacked the traits Anastasia had. The people who supported AA, seeked for fame and money as well. They, made movies, based on her all completely inaccurate. It's such as disagrace to Anastasia. If, they really read and know Anastasia personally they wouldn't see this suicidal, physiological, psychopath,mentally ill woman as Anastasia.
That doesn't even make any sense! AA wasn't Anastasia. Clara suggested she might be Tatiana. AA first pretended to be Tatiana, then Baroness Sophie Buxhoevedon told her she was too short to be Tatiana. So, then she decided to be Anastasia. She did do it all for the money, fame, and attention! It's why Botkin too her to America, so she can get Americans to believe her story. FS/AA left at 18, to go to Germany. Then she got exploded by a grenade. That's were AA's wounds came from. It's good thing, most of Anastasia's family members were against AA. Ernest did do all he could to stop AA and her fraud ways. He wanted justice for his niece. AA made up a trip when Ernest visit Russia in 1916. That is false, Ernest never went to Russia in 1916.
Yes, it is my thought, I believe and think that Anastasia wasn't Anna Anderson. I believe there is many things to prove that AA is a fraud. The fact that she was living in a house with hundreds of cats, and when she tried to kill herself. Then, the time she She was also in two hospitals also, before she went missing. In the summer of 1922, Anderson disappeared from the home of her benefactors, and Franziska reappeared at the home of the Wingenders.
But, Ernest already saw her photos, and read her story. He didn't have to go met AA. He knew his sister Alix, and her family didn't survive. He notice that she ddin't even look like Anastasia. Then, Olga Alexandrovana, Princess Irene, Felix Yussupov, Gilliard, and Gibbes ALL denied AA. I don't believe any of the Romanovs survived. I will never believe it! It's the truth anyway.
AA talked in German. She didn't even want to talk to Aunt Olga, in Russian or to Gilliard in French.No, she didn't speak Mandarin! She is from Poland. Born in Pomerania! Which is also Poland!
AA's DNA matched FS. The DNA also told us that AA didn't match Prince Phillip's DNA. He's Victoria of Battenburg's relative a sister of Alix of Hesse.
Good points Jo.
