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Were you aware of what I posted above, that the family's stuff was confiscated as soon as they arrived in Ekaterinburg?
No, it was NOT! Your remark about the tsar's boots stems from the crowd that assembled at the pier where the Rus docked. < ed : Warren - personal remark >
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Chat as I have already explained, your 'source' is inaccurate, and Bux's name was never mentioned. See thread on AP for more.

Here's the story of the looting of their stuff, Left Behind, chapter VII

A box was opened for some reason or other, and some pairs of old boots belonging to the Emperor came to view. "He has six pairs, and I have none!" shouted a man, pointing to his bare feet. At this one of the crowd cried "Death to the tyrant! Death to the bourgoui!" "All these boxes contain the gold dresses of these wanton women!" another cried, pointing to us. "Off with their heads!" A huge man with a red face, wild hair and beard, and dressed only in a torn shirt and trousers, got on a box and began a speech: "Tovaristchy!" (Comrades). "While these blood-suckers were gloating over their ill-gotten gains, we were sweating the sap of our lives in working for them. Now it is their turn; down with them; hang them; drown them in the lake," etc., etc. The soldiers who were looking on laughed; some applauded.
Rodionoff and Khokhriakoff came at this juncture, and, seeing that the crowd) was likely to prevent the unloading of the vans, had the platform cleared by the soldiers. The Kommissars began sorting the luggage, giving their orders: "This and that goes to the Ipatieff house,these other things to the Soviet." Most of Their Majesties' belongings went to the Soviet or to the lodgings of the Kommissars themselves, and were never seen again by their lawful owners!

From "Life and Tragedy" chapter XXXI

upon leaving Tobolsk

The Governor's and Kornilov's houses were looted by them on their departure. Everything, whether belonging to the Imperial Family or not, was taken away, even to the horse and carriage that the Archbishop lent to take the children to the landing-stage. All these things, as well as most of the Imperial Family's own belongings, were divided by the men at Ekaterinburg as "spoil," some of it, as I saw myself, being taken to the Soviet.

on arriving in Ekaterinburg:

The camp-beds were eventually brought from the train. Their other luggage was, however, taken to the Soviet and most of it never reappeared. Some things were taken to the Ipatiev house, but were put in the loft, where the prisoners could not get them, and were eventually looted by the soldiers.



So! The Bolsheviks, without anyone giving them the idea, looted the family's stuff. It's actually insulting to them to think they wouldn't have thought to do so on their own!Anything worth anything was taken, and since the bodices weren't, it is obvious they did not know about them.So much for the 'ratting out' story!
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Most likely, it never existed, at least not in the context of the very ficticious Romania story, orphanage or not, it didn't happen, she was never there. AA had to add a baby into her story after doctors discovered she'd been preggers.
The detail about the orphanage did not come from AA. It originated from the man who visited Clara Marie Peuthert while AA was at Funkenmühle with Inspector Grünberg. He was the one who said that the child was sent to an orphanage in Galati.
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As far as I remember, her cousin Xenia acknowledged AA as Grand Duchess Anastasia. And her "uncle" Andrew did the same thing.
My suggestion was Prince Philip, he would not try to hurt your feelings.
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Sometimes I read what is posted in reference to the Grand Duchess and I think both parties have a say and the truth is the plain facts are more true to one side. The garnered plaintiffs and defendants rely now solely on testimonial that cannot be corroborated through first hand investigation. All that remains is a pathology of evidence that is either false or true but distinctly having an error of margin one way or the other. Sadly or fortunately I find reading here that a spectacle for realization of truth as an outcome is taking place. Someone I dare say is mistaken though. Forgive me for not being learned on the matter at hand but I like to believe in conspiracy theories because they may above all hold some strength and so my curious eye has been enamored by the display of sincerity on the part of the parties involved. I cannot say that in all I want to side with Anna was Franziska or with Chat Noir but whomever ultimately is torching the light of fire. That is to say whomever shines on what is right. And this is of the utmost importance to the Royals.
The lack of first hand say, the lack of actual memory testimonial, the mental dementia that questions the persons sanity, the available photography, and all the love I see depicted and imparted on the person we speak of by the many stated fellow country men of that time, leave one baffled if that person is to be believed in and followed as such.
I think the posters here both believe their side of what is there and their earnestness catches my attention to be impressive and somehow being mistaken. We the audience do keep returning, but particularly for me it is to wonder if just maybe the conspiracy has relevance. Thus I imagine along between your markings.
My eye is naked to tales from the two sides and yet I find interest to believe that the person we speak of is not an impostor. Throw me amongst the believers for I've loved to gather a passion throughout this plight. Apparently the two of you are patient but maybe the truth is already known by the family of the Grand Duchess. And that is what counts; the empathy and feelings of the Russian Royals still living. May they be nurtured to complete absolving of the truth. I hope in time their will be no idea to the other.
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Hello everyone,

With regards to the claim by Harriet von Rathlef Keilmann that Pierre Gilliard had substituted a photograph of the Grand Duchess Olga in place of Anastasia when Prof. Bischoff made his study of AA's face to AN's face.

Here is the original photograph(s) of the Imperial children taken after their heads were shaved while suffering from measles.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...ildrenbald.jpg
Pierre Gilliard indicated that Anastasia is on the far left followed by Olga, Alexei, Marie, Tatiana. Harriet insisted that Olga was the one of the farthest left followed by Anastasia etc. She showed a photograph (it is uncertain if they were shown the entire photograph of simply the cut out of the girl on the left as was published in Harriet's book) to Felix Yussuppov and to Alexei Volkov and they too thought it was Olga. If one were to look at the girl on the far left without seeing any of the other children I can see how one might conclude it was Olga, but when one looks at the girl on her right it is obvious that the girl second from the left is olga. Note the width of the forehead, the eyes and the nose.
See the collage below. On the left half of the picture are photos of Anastasia on the right half Olga. It seems apparent to me that Anastasia is the girl on the far left followed by Olga.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...e/olgabald.jpg

With regards to the swastika on the Tsar's car. It is my understanding that only one of the care had the emblem on it. I will be happy to scan the photo of the car from Gilliard's book and post it as soon as I get the chance.
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I just want to make it clear, I hope no one thought I was attacking any new members because I certainly was not. I only used their posts as an example of how most people and innocent bystanders are fed up with our arguing here. I welcome new posters and it's always good to see different people- whether they're new or just new to the thread- since these threads usually end up as just us usual suspects.
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... [ in part]...Rodionoff and Khokhriakoff came at this juncture, and, seeing that the crowd) was likely to prevent the unloading of the vans, had the platform cleared by the soldiers. The Kommissars began sorting the luggage, giving their orders: "This and that goes to the Ipatieff house,these other things to the Soviet."[B] Most of Their Majesties' belongings went to the Soviet or to the lodgings of the Kommissars themselves, and were never seen again by their lawful owners!

From "Life and Tragedy" chapter XXXI
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I read this to mean that these two men "cleared" the platform and sent the luggage to the Ipatiev House or the Soviet "lodgings" of the Soviet and the "Kommisars". We cannot possibly know if any or none of these items were every seen again by the Royal Family.

V.V. Alekseyev's THE LAST ACT OF A TRAGEDY goes into great detail with the recovery of stolen items which belonged to Nicholas II and the others in Toblosk and Ekaterinburg. Example page 209:

>>No. 76
Continuation of Klavdiya Mikhailovna Kubylinskay's testimony
April 2, 1934

Question: Tell us, were the valuables kept by your husband given to the nunnery?
Anwser: The valuables that were kept by my husaband were given to Pechekos but not to the nunnery."

Page after page is given as the Bolshevik/communists continue to search for missing jewels to monogram underwear.

I believe the Bolshevik/communists were using lists which recorded the Royal belongings collected by both Yurovsky, Avdeev and the commisar who came before them.

There is a list of valuables recorded 11 November 1933 by the Ural OGPU which starts on p. 185 under No. 58.

Starting on page 165 under No. 45 are:

>>List of gold articles handed over by Y. Yurovsky, commandant of the House of Special Purpose to Kremlin Commandant p. Malkov<<

No dates listed.

V.V. Alekseyev gives us more than lists, he has copied what people testified without the interference of his opinions.

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Perhaps in an effort to spare herself from the same fate, or to guarantee her later safety, she (Buxhoeveden) found Rodionov, telling him not only of the fortune in jewels concealed beneath the clothing of the three youg women, but also where the items could be found: "The buttons on her coat aren't buttons," she revealed, "they're diamonds"; "the aigrette of that hat conceals a diamond form the Shah of Persia"; and "that belt there - underneath it are ropes of pearls."
(Bykov, October 17, 1927, in TsDOOSO, f. 41, op. 1, d. 149)

And in his 1922 memoirs, Yurovsky wrote of "the damn valuables and jewels we knew they had concealed in their clothes when they arrived, which caused troubles to no end."
(Yakov Yurovsky, unpublished memoirs, 1922, in Archives of the President of the Russian Federation, f.3, op.58, d.280)

Unknown to both of these men (Gilliard and Gibbes), and ignored by Buxhoeveden in her memoirs, was her interrogation that afternoon. A few members of the Ural Regional Soviet and Ekaterinburg Cheka entered the railroad coach where she waited alone, questioning her at length about her revelations to Rodionov aboard Rus. During the session, Buxhoeveden repeated her knowledge of the imperial family's hidden jewelry, a final betrayal that guaranteed her freeedom and helped seal the fate of the prisoners.
(Bykov, October 17, 1927, in TsDOOSO, f. 41, op. 1, d. 149)
Rodionov was a Bolshevik and he'd have no qualms in discrediting Buxhoeveden who survived.

I believe there were others, a maid, if I remember, who might have been the one who told the Bolshviks about the jewels sewn into the clothing. And, I believe that same maid survived, also, and married a Bolshevik.

I am not convinced that Buxhoeveden was a traitor. Even if she was and she did tell Rodionov what he wanted to know, since I'm allergic to pain, I'd understand if she told EVERYTHING to the Bolsheviks who would have or did no terrible things to people in order to gain information they so wanted. And, as far as I'm concern, Buxhoeveden's loyality was stronger than most, certainly more than any Romanov cousins, since she willingly was with the Royal family as they were sent to Siberia.

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Hello everyone,

With regards to the claim by Harriet von Rathlef Keilmann that Pierre Gilliard had substituted a photograph of the Grand Duchess Olga in place of Anastasia when Prof. Bischoff made his study of AA's face to AN's face.

Here is the original photograph(s) of the Imperial children taken after their heads were shaved while suffering from measles.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...ildrenbald.jpg
Pierre Gilliard indicated that Anastasia is on the far left followed by Olga, Alexei, Marie, Tatiana. Harriet insisted that Olga was the one of the farthest left followed by Anastasia etc. She showed a photograph (it is uncertain if they were shown the entire photograph of simply the cut out of the girl on the left as was published in Harriet's book) to Felix Yussuppov and to Alexei Volkov and they too thought it was Olga. If one were to look at the girl on the far left without seeing any of the other children I can see how one might conclude it was Olga, but when one looks at the girl on her right it is obvious that the girl second from the left is olga. Note the width of the forehead, the eyes and the nose.
See the collage below. On the left half of the picture are photos of Anastasia on the right half Olga. It seems apparent to me that Anastasia is the girl on the far left followed by Olga.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...e/olgabald.jpg

With regards to the swastika on the Tsar's car. It is my understanding that only one of the care had the emblem on it. I will be happy to scan the photo of the car from Gilliard's book and post it as soon as I get the chance.
All of this can get confusing, can't it?

Thanks for this information. Seeing the photos used gives me a different perspective.

Thanks Tsarskoe.

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The detail about the orphanage did not come from AA. It originated from the man who visited Clara Marie Peuthert while AA was at Funkenmühle with Inspector Grünberg. He was the one who said that the child was sent to an orphanage in Galati.
Was this the man whom some believe was the brother of the father of AA's child?

I'd like to read about him and his visit, again, so, could you give me a source from another book?

Thanks Chat.

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You are quite welcome AGRBear.

I would like to make it clear that I do not find Prof. Bischoff's work as worthy of much merit. It is true that the photographs he used of AA and Anastasia were not from the same angle/lighting. (Personally, I find facial comparisons far too subjective for my taste anyway). It is simply that I think Pierre Gilliard has been called a "liar" for many things which I believe he was correct on. I believe his knowledge about the Imperial family, his time spent with them (up until being separated from them in Ekarterinburg) should make him a very credible witness in determining some of the specifics of this case.
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You are quite welcome AGRBear.

I would like to make it clear that I do not find Prof. Bischoff's work as worthy of much merit. It is true that the photographs he used of AA and Anastasia were not from the same angle/lighting. (Personally, I find facial comparisons far too subjective for my taste anyway). It is simply that I think Pierre Gilliard has been called a "liar" for many things which I believe he was correct on. I believe his knowledge about the Imperial family, his time spent with them (up until being separated from them in Ekarterinburg) should make him a very credible witness in determining some of the specifics of this case.
My doubts about Gilliard's intentions started when I read that he could not produce evidence that had been in his care was destroyed by him before he testified in AA's trial.

p. 299 , Kurth's ANASTASIA:

>>Judge Werkmeister refused to be sidetracked: "A book is not evidence, M. Gilliard," But now the judges did turn their attention to the contents of The False Anastasia. They wanted to examine some of the contents of original documentation-- above all, the excited letter Shura Gilliard had received in 1925 from Grand Duchess Olga, the letter that had first moved the Gilliards to meet Anastasia in Berlin.

"I don't have it anymore."

THen what about Gilliard's correspondence with the Duke of Leuchtenberg: "Is it true that you failed to reply to three of his letters?"

"Yes.... no...I don't know anymore."

The correspondence with Harriet von Rathlef?<<

The questions continued. Gilliard on the second day admitted:

p. 300
>> I don't have them anymore! They're burned! I destroyed them. I have nothing anymore. <<

We're told that Gilliard had an automobile accident on the way home, suffered from the accident and died four years later in 1962. He did not return in front of the judges of AA's trial.

Another example which caused doubt in my mind as to Gilliard's motives occured when I read Summers and Mangold's book FILE ON THE TSAR. How many of you know that after Gilliard first arrived at Ekaterinburg his impression of the murder scene in the basement room of the Ipatiev House was:

p. 149:

>>At the time I left the house I could not believe that the imperial family had really perished. There were such small number of bullet holes<< in the room which I had inspected, that I thought it impossible for everybody to have been executed.<<

Summers and Mangold wrote: >>In a book two years later, the same Gilliard was to describe the same scene again, but quite differently:<<

>>I went down to the ground floor.... The walls and floors showed numerous traces of bullets and blows with bayonets.<< AS first glance showed that an odious crime had been perpretrated there, and that several people had been killed...<<

Of course, Gilliard had every right to change his opinion. He should have just said he had changed his mind due to the collection of more evidence. Why didn't he just say with the truth? I believe there was certain demands by Diterikhs, the Gen. of the Whites who came to Ekaterinburg and took charge. It is my belief that he wanted the world to believe Nicholas II, his heir and all the family was dead. Why? He and other White leaders wanted to lead the Whites and their chosen leaders into power. It was at this same time that terrible rumors were spread that the Bolsheviks and done terrible things to the eleven.... Diterikhs brought in Sokolov to take over the investigation. All investigations of survivors ceased and Sokolov was told to collect evidence to prove All eleven had been murdered.

In July 1919 just before the Whites pulled out of Ekaterinburg, a dog's corpse was said to have been found in the mine shaft known as the Four Brother's Mine. A place that had been searched for a year. No one believed there was anything else to find in this shaft. The dog's corpse was shown to Gilliard who stated that it was Jemmy, Anastasia's dog. It has been proven by scientists that the dog could not have been at the bottom of this shaft for nearly a year. No longer than several weeks. Forensic science is a modern wonder. Someone had planted the dog's body. Probably the Whites. The first time I saw the photo of the dog's corpse I wondered if it really was Jemmy, since the legs are too long for his breed.

Was Gilliard capable of falsifying evidence? Or was he just caught up in the events?

I am not sure, but I don't think he ever stated that he believed ALL eleven died in the early morning hours of the 17th of July in the Ipatiev House. If he did, was it after the appearance of AA? Does anyone know the answer to this?

I do know that Gilliard stayed in contact with Sokolov, who continued to add testimony to his investigation by interviewing others who were in exile. I believed they lived in the same apartment building in Paris where Sokolov became ill and died.

Now, about those bullets. Here is addition information so you can gain your own opinion on this particular subject.

p. 150
>>Letermin, the 36-year-old guard caught and interrogated aft the fall of Ekaterinburg gave Sergeyev this account of the way the downstairs room looked less than two days after the Romanovs vanished:

"All that I heard about the murder of the tsar and his family intersted me very much, and I decided, as far as I could, to check myself the information I had received. On 18 July, with this aim in mind, I went into the room where the shooting had taken place, and noticed that the floor was clean; on the walls also I found there were not stains. On the far wall, on the left hand side of the doorway, I noticed three holes, each about a centimetre deep; I saw no other traces of shooting..

Letermin added:
>>It was evening when I made the examination, and I was in a hurry, afraid lest one of the authorities should see I was interested in the addair. I noticed no bullet traces or bayonet holes on the floor which I examined, although I repeat, I was in a hurry. I did not see any traces of blood anywhere.<<

It is true that in the first hours and days the Bolshevik officials were telling the world that they had executed Nicholas II and not his family whom they had taken to a "safe place".

Was Letemin part of this cover-up?

He was not the only one who talked about the number of bullet holes. Gilliard had in his first statement.

p. 140

>>Sir Charles Eliot recorded that when he visited the Ipatiev House in October 1918, Sergeyev told him there had been seventeen bullet holes.<<

>>Captain McCullagh, a British intelligence officer, wrote of his visit... in later summmer 1918: "there were sixteen bullet holes in the wall, and sixteen bullets were extracted from them by the Whites after they arrived.<<

p. 150
>>But come Sokolov's account, the number of bullets holes leaps to 30...<<

Like Penny Royalty voices: >> The garnered plaintiffs and defendants rely now solely on testimonial that cannot be corroborated through first hand investigation. All that remains is a pathology of evidence that is either false or true but distinctly having an error of margin one way or the other. Sadly or fortunately I find reading here that a spectacle for realization of truth as an outcome is taking place. Someone I dare say is mistaken though.<<

Somewhere within the letters, documents and testimonies lies the truth.

Is there any evidence or hint of evidence that the Bolsheviks have not told us the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

And what about the Whites? Have they been truthful?

From one testimony which tells us 3 bullet holes were found to the last investigator's notes we're told 27 more bullet holes found, some of us in the year 2008 are to try and figure out where the truth is. This is just one of the discrepancies.

Gilliard added to these discrepancies. He had his reasons. He probably believed there was no need to provide even the smallest hint that anyone of the eleven might have survived. But, for a few moments, his heart pounded as he traveled to meet AA. Was it possible that one of Nicholas II's daughters survived?

Gilliard became AA's enemy. He tells us that he didn't believe AA was GD Anastasia.

In his mind, perhaps he thought it was best for everyone that he destroyed any evidence that remotely suggested anyone survived the court wanted in AA's case. Or, one day, even before AA's case was started, he just might have wanted to rid himself of everything and just destroyed it all and once it was done he couldn't undo.

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Poor Gilliard had never heard of DNA or he would not have worried so much .
So he forgot a lot, I have found in the impossible story of AA that she seemed to remember rather a lot.
One who no one can deny was close to the IRF -forgot, and another who wasn´t -remembered.
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Information in the mysterious visitor who left a photo and information that AA's child was in an orphanage in Galati.

I first turn to Kurth's book ANASTASIA where I recall reading the information for the first time.

p. 62
>>A young man had turned up at Clara Peuthert's apartment one morning, apparently having been sent there by the staff at the Dalldorf Asylum. At Clara's the stranger saw a photograph of Anastasia and said, "I know that lady." Then he broke into tears. On the back of the picture he scribbled the words, in pencil:

"Anastasia Nicolaieva...Alexanderva...Ivan...Alexev...Shorov... geb [born] Pittersburg."<<

>>Clara ...took the stranger to see Captain von Schwabe, her personal favorite among the emigres. there the man informed Schwabe that he had brought Anastasia from Rumania to Berlin, that he had known Anastasia and her 'so-called husband" in Bucharest, that the two had never been legally married, that Anastasia had indeed had a child, and that the boy could now be found in Galatz (now Galati). This information was given reluctantly, in a weird mixture of German, French and "peasant Russian." << No names were named. Clara's caller explained that he had already spent "six months in jail on account of this business in Russia." Finally, however, when he learned that Anastasia was staying with Gruenberg family in the country, the young man produced a photograph of himself and a letter, which he instructed Captain von Schwabe to give Anastasia when she returned to town.<<

After AA returned to Berlin, she was told about the man, whom Clara believed was the brother-in-law of Alexander, the so-called husband of AA's, and when asked about the letter was told that Schwabe had "mislaid" the letter and the photograph.

For me all kinds of question leap out at me.

1) The stranger wrote on the back of the photo. Has anyone seen the inscription on this photo
2) The stranger talked about Glatz and an orphange
3) The stranger left a photograph and a letter which vanished. Why did it vanish?
4) The stranger said he had already served six months in jail IN RUSSIA because of "this business"
5) Why did the stranger speak in three languages? And, the use of common Russian indicates he was not from the upper part of the social ladder
6) Since the stranger was seen by both Clara and Schwabe then Clara didn't just make him up for her story about AA
7) Child of AA's was a boy and a bastard since he claimed there had been no legal marriage....

Did AA talked about Serge before the stranger appeared at Clara's?

If AA was FS, had she had an affair with the stranger or his brother or friend? If so, when?

The stranger, Serge and Alexander have never surfaced.

We know of no child having been found at the orphanage in Bucharest or Galatz.

All we know is: the doctors at Dalldorf after examining AA recorded that she had given birth to a child and changed her status from "Miss" to "Mrs" Unknown.

Captain Nicholas von Schwabe was a young Russian exile. He had been a staff captain of the personal guard detachment of the Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna. In exile, he was living in Berlin and was the >>"manager of Dvouglavly Orel (The Double Eagle), the proto-fascist, rabidly anti-Semitric, right-wing organ of the Supreme Monarchist Council<< p. 16

It was Schwabe whom was lead to believe that AA was Tatiana, not Anastasia, at the time he first entered this story back in March of 1922.

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Poor Gilliard had never heard of DNA or he would not have worried so much .
So he forgot a lot, I have found in the impossible story of AA that she seemed to remember rather a lot.
One who no one can deny was close to the IRF -forgot, and another who wasn´t -remembered.
If the DNA had proven AA was GD Anastasia, perhaps, just perhaps, you would have gone back and reread my posts explaining how a trip from Ekaterinburg to Bucharest was possible for a wounded grand duchess.

The human memory varies from person to person. My one son can remember back to the age of 6 months. My mother never forgets people she has known or even met briefly. Me, lately, I forget what movie I saw last night. But if you ask me about certain events, I'm still very clear. However, I may remember it differently than others do. I believe it's true, our memory is very selective and deals with all the information it's taken into our brain through the years, and, then spits it out as much as it feels like at the time it feels like doing so, which may be little or more than we want despite our demands we make at that moment. [If you don't understand, read this again when you reach my age :) ]
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Ha ha, when I reach your age! We had better not start playing "Truth" then, one of us might get a big surprise.
Memory? An acquaintance invited me and my husband for coffee to tell us some sad news -what was the news? He was at the beginning of Alzheimer`s, I believed him as he forgot to give us coffee.....
No laughing matter, and I am not laughing, I just get very suspicious when people as time goes on keep remembering more and in greater detail.
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Bear, what happened to Captain N. von Schwabe?
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AGRBear do not waste your time on the details of the 'stranger.' The story is only false made up by crazy Clara like the story of the trip through Paris being chased by killers. It was made up and this casts serious doubt on Schwabe's credibility if he claimed to have talked to him. The only other explaination is that he was acting playing a part to fill in the role of the fake rescuer. How convenient he disappeared! It never happened and the people in the Romania storyline never existed.
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