Alexei and Haemophilia

[COUNTESS]

Alexis was a full blown hemophiliac. Unfortunately, inherited from his relationship to Queen Victoria. He suffered massive hemorrahages, such as the one at Spala, where he almost died. The poor child suffered greatly. He, certainly, would not have survived. The gilrs were not "bleeders". Hemophilia does not affect women, they just carry the gene. No where have I ever seen this as referenced. Hands touching hair will not degrade DNA. By the way, 44 fragments, is quite enough. Whether this is all true, who knows. That would not be alive today is certain. And, Harry's polo shirt, if you think all human beings deserve a proper burial, you are correct. Perhaps, we should start with the mass graves that were found in concentration camps and their surroundings. What I am saying, is that it would be lovely if we could afford all the dead their proper burial, unfortunately, we can't. That is the very sad part of life.

[Ex-Princess Lisa]

Originally Posted by COUNTESS

Alexis was a full blown hemophiliac. Unfortunately, inherited from his relationship to Queen Victoria.

I will disagree with you. Alexis was not a hemophiliac. He was being poisoned from the moment he was born.
Coumadin it is called in the USA, in the UK we call it Warfarin.

All the children were noted bleeders and Alix was always ill.

The palace was riddled with double agents.

[Russophile]

Lisa, I would have to ask for references on these. Do you have books cited? Cuz that would be very interesting. Thanks!

[Ex-Princess Lisa]

Sorry I do not not have any references or have any books to cite.

I was told this by someone who has extensive knowledge of the Romanovs.

It was pointed out to me that Rasputin supposedly healed Alexis although being miles away at the time. Everyone seems to think this was some sort of magic!
Much more likely that he sent a message to the poisoner to go easy on the poison because it was not time yet.

Alexis suffered most because he was the reason for hope within the Imperial family and hated by enemies of the Imperial family.

Hemophilia appeared out of nowhere in the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family and disappeared just as suddenly. It does not seem to fit the normal pattern for this genetically inherited disease.

The girls in the family were bleeders. In hemophilia girls inherit the genes and pass them on but do not exhibit symptoms.

Warfarin was available at that time.

[Russophile]

Maybe they can help you out with references? Because the poisoning thing sounds a bit far-fetched.
It is true that Rasputin "healed" Alexis from far away. But I believe a more logical solution was that he had the tsarevich relax. When you are upset, you tend to bleed more. When you relax, your body can repair itself. I believe Rasputin used breathing and relaxation techniques with Alexis. I believe that came from Rasputin: The Holy Devil by Rene Fulop-Miller. Yussopov (Lost Splendor) cites Rasputin used hypnosis.
Massie's Nicholas and Alexander says that Alexis had hemophilia. But nobody ever documented this that it was full-blown (as Countess ascertains) or if it actually was a plate-let disorder. The Canadian Hemophilia Society has some fascinating articles on other disorders that LOOK like hemophilia and are related to hemophilia but are NOT hemophilia.
Here is their website: Types of Platelet Function Disorder

[acdc1]

I read in numerous books, such as Nicholas and Alexandra, that it was most likely a gene mutation. Perhaps it died out because everyone stopped marrying their first cousins.

[COUNTESS]

First of all Coumadin, generic is wafarin, was discovered by the Univeristy of Wisconsin Alumni Research Team and was patened in 1945, 27 years after they died.

Secondly, Haemophilia appeared in Victoria's family in almost every branch. It is called a "de novo mutation". Victoria had one son, Leopold, who suffered from it, as well as numerous grandsons and greatgrandsons, who also suffered from it. This is very well documented. Queen Victoria's Gene, 1999, by Potts, as well as numerous other documents, including Haemophila: The Royal Disease. Nicholas and Alexandra, by Robert K. Massie, Xenia, Once a Grand Duchess, by John Van Der Kiste, Nicholas II, The Interupted Transition, by Helene Carrere d'Encausse and many other books and documents. Letter from Alexandra to her grandmother, Queen Victoria and other correspondence to and from the family. Prince Alfonso of Spain, Prince Gonzalo of Spain, Prince Waldemar of Prussia, Prince Henrich of Prussia, Prince Friedrich of Hesse and by Rhine. All died of hemophiliac cause, and all were directly related to Queen Victoria, as was Alexis.

Who ever said that this died out because cousins stopped marrying cousins was quite correct, but it is a latent gene and can reappear.

Alexandra had physical and a lot of emotional problems. She was prone to hysteria and often fainted. Alexis' health issues were a great burden to her, because, as she herself stated in letters to others, she brought it into the family. It was a terrible burden for a mother.

[Ex-Princess Lisa]

Coumadin has been around for a very long time.

Wikipedia says this about coumadin
"Warfarin is a synthetic derivative of coumarin, a chemical found naturally in many plants, notably woodruff (Galium odoratum, Rubiaceae), and at lower levels in licorice, lavender, and various other species."

You have quoted many people in Queen Victorias family who supposedly suffered from it, but were any of their bones actually tested? The hemophilia gene can be found in the DNA of people who suffer from hemophilia. All the books and documents that you quote, none of them have tested the DNA of people they are writing about. It is all speculation.

Not one author has bothered to have the DNA of the descendents of Queen Victoria tested, either living or dead.

It is all speculation and unless you can provide DNA evidence that proves otherwise please do not press your claims.

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by COUNTESS

First of all Coumadin, generic is wafarin, was discovered by the Univeristy of Wisconsin Alumni Research Team and was patened in 1945, 27 years after they died.

Yes, 1945. And when was Massie's book written? 1967. There has been a LOT of research done since then.

[sgl]

I also recall learning that the royal family in Russia had many members who suffered from hemophilia. I learned this when I took a Tsarist Russia history class in university. I wish that I could remember which family members had the disease, but I do know that it was documented by Russian historians and those who kept notes on the family.

[COUNTESS]

And coumadin didn't exist when they were alive. Fact! Also, why would the present Russians care, whether Alexis had hemophilia or not? Why would they lie? This whole chapter is ancient history. There will be no restoration and, even, if there was, who cares? There is no reaosn to lie. A good portion of Queen Victoria's male decendants were cursed with this. Or were they all being poisoned?

[tanya]

I have no idea what diease alexei suffered from but i am a FEmale Hemophiliac and i can certainly attest to the fact that Females can be hemophiliacs. as i am one. and yes I have severe, heavy periods.