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Old 05-09-2013, 01:44 AM
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If Karina become a Princess and a member of the House Romania, she'll not be a commoner anymore. A marriage between her and Grand Duke George would be regarded as a Dynastic one.
Yeah, I understand that it would be dynastic if she was a princess of the house of Romania. But, Karina is not currently a princess in the royal house, so, that is why I was asking about whether or not he could marry a commoner.


I thought you said they would make a good match? From you post, Georg can only marry dynastically? Is his situation like that it the Brazilian empirical house?

Did his mother marry dynastically?
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I said the only way the marriage can be regarded as Dynastic is if King Michael, or any other subsequent Head of the Romanian Royal House, giver her the title of Princess prior to the wedding.

It's almost the same situation in the Brazilian Imperial House. The only difference is that Prince Rafael is sharing the duty of produce heirs to the Throne with his sisters and their Ligne cousins, and with the Saxe-Coburg and Braganza relatives. Grand Duke George is, as far as I know, the only one who can continue with the Russian Imperial line.

In 1976 Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna married HRH Prince Franz Wilhelm of Prussia. They divorced in 1985.
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:56 PM
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Karina looks slightly overweight, and Georgi is the same. He needs to marry a skinny girl to improve the genetic pool of his family. Traditional rabbis thought like this when matching people. I know that Georgi is not Jewish, of course, but it's an interesting principle. King Hussein of Jordan seems to have married more than one bride who is slightly taller than he is, and that was a wise decision on behalf of his children. Where is the skinny rich princess?
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Except for seeming to be a very nice young man, Georgi brings very little to the table. He can bestow a title if that is what is wanted, but past that there is nothing. Who care if she is fat or skinny, does she want to marry him is the question.
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Old 05-12-2013, 12:40 AM
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His title may be higher, but she's in line to an actual, existing throne while he's not. There's a bit of an argument here as to who outranks who here. I doubt Caroline would care if her daughter didn't marry Georgi.
Princess Caroline didn't care about whether or not the throne of Hanover existed when she went after PRince Ernst; she now has the higher rank ("HRH" is higher than "HSH") than when she had at birth. The Grimaldis are considered princes, not royal highnesses, which means that the Monaco family isn't considered royal, only princely.
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Old 05-12-2013, 12:55 AM
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Given as Caroline's first two marriages were to untitled men, I highly doubt she cared about Ernst's titles at all.

The Grimaldis are princes, yes, and they have a history of marrying individuals without titles. Caroline wouldn't care if her daughter married Georgi or some other prince (with or without a throne) or if she married someone without any title at all. The Grimaldis don't place any emphasis on dynastic marriages.

As for whether or not Caroline cared about if the throne if Hanover existed, I doubt she "went after" Ernst because of his higher titles - once again, her first two husbands were unable to provide her or their children with titles, so why would she care if her third husband came with a title?

And yes, the ranking of Royal Highness may be higher than the ranking of Serene Highness, but when you're the heir to throne that actually exists, even as just a Serene Highness, I doubt you'II consider yourself to be lower than someone who is the heir (or pretender) to a throne that no longer exists, even when they have a Royal Highness. Georgi might on one stand point be higher than Charlotte owing to his titles, but on another they're equals owing to the fact that legally neither of them actually holds titles (unless Russia's still legally recognizing titles), and on another she's higher because she might one day inherit (or even just be the daughter/sister of a monarch) a throne while it's unlikely that Georgi will ever do so.
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A monied young woman like Charlotte would be perfect; she has a place in the Monaco succession, she will surely come into more than enough wealth, and I bet that Caroline would adore the idea of her daughter being a Grand Duchess, wife of an Heir. Reigning or not, it would be a huge coup for Charlotte.

Dethroned Houses are indeed still recognized by the reigning houses socially and would be recognized if there were to be a rise in the fortunes of the House of Romanov. Or any other House for that matter. A throne is a throne and there is no way that Maria wouldn't like to have the money the Grimaldis have.

To be honest, Charlotte would make a glamorous Grand Duchess and I bet she would end up enjoying the title. The Eastern Euros are a glamorous set and are stunners and Charlotte would looks wise fit right in.
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Charlotte would not like Georgi as a marriage partner, I believe. So she wouldn't be fine for him. She likes skinny exotic cerebral men, I gather, although I do not follow the Casiraghis much. Just looking at her present and past partners would show that Georgi is not her dish.
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Georgi is not in her league. She needs neither money nor a title. She is very beautiful and, yes she seem to gravitate to , let us be kind more exciting men. And being the Grand Duchess of nothing is hardly an enticement.
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Old 05-12-2013, 03:56 PM
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Karina looks slightly overweight, and Georgi is the same. He needs to marry a skinny girl to improve the genetic pool of his family. Traditional rabbis thought like this when matching people. I know that Georgi is not Jewish, of course, but it's an interesting principle. King Hussein of Jordan seems to have married more than one bride who is slightly taller than he is, and that was a wise decision on behalf of his children. Where is the skinny rich princess?

Are you being either funny or sarcastic?
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Karina looks slightly overweight, and Georgi is the same. He needs to marry a skinny girl to improve the genetic pool of his family. Traditional rabbis thought like this when matching people. I know that Georgi is not Jewish, of course, but it's an interesting principle. King Hussein of Jordan seems to have married more than one bride who is slightly taller than he is, and that was a wise decision on behalf of his children. Where is the skinny rich princess?
This is sad! Who would say such a thing about a beautiful women like Karina!
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Princess Caroline didn't care about whether or not the throne of Hanover existed when she went after PRince Ernst; she now has the higher rank ("HRH" is higher than "HSH") than when she had at birth. The Grimaldis are considered princes, not royal highnesses, which means that the Monaco family isn't considered royal, only princely.
HRH might be higher than HSH, but if you look at the 2004 Danish wedding which both Caroline and Albert attended, TRH The Prince and Princess of Hannover were seated with the deposed royal guests while HSH Hereditary Prince Albert of Monaco was seated in the upper level with the reigning royal families.
At this stage of the game I doubt she cares too much one way or the other, and really doubt if Charlotte cares about a title at all. What does Georgi bring to the table? Not wealthy and not from a reigning royal family so hope he has a great mind, body and personality.
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Georgi looks like a sweet young man, who is overweight and not overly attractive. Not that that should be a criteria. Charlotte, I am assuming doesn't give a darn. I think she would laugh at this discussion. She has far more "money" and personal appeal.
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Except for seeming to be a very nice young man, Georgi brings very little to the table. He can bestow a title if that is what is wanted, but past that there is nothing. Who care if she is fat or skinny, does she want to marry him is the question.
The most perfect choice for him is Princess Leonie of Saxe-Weimar, dau of Pr Michael of Saxe-Weimar. She is 4 or 5 years younger.. and they say she is beautiful
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Who knows who Georgi will marry and since he is a "regular" person, with none of this "royal" nonsense, he can marry anyone. Might not be a woman. Plus, all of this other stuff is imagined. There is no nation he will head, he has a job. No one cares.

Please don't forget, that recently Gr Dss Maria (de-jure Empress Maria I) said in her interview that there is a possibility that Gr Duke George could marry a non-royal (and obviously non-noble) Russian girl. But for this the Dynastic Rules of Russian Imperial Family have to be changed and Blessing from Russian Orthodox Church should be given.
So, who knows, maybe this is a hint that there is some candidate :) Or it would be done so that to make the Romanovs closer to Russian people?
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It will take a lot more than that to make a Hohenzollern Prince closer to the Russian people.
I would love to see the reaction of the other Romanovs though should Maria change the marriage laws to suit herself and her son. Talk about maing a bad situation even worse, LOL.
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What other Romanovs can say if the only legal Head of the House, Empress Maria I will change marriage laws? What can they say if they had already failed them? At that time Maria's family didn't fail them but married equally (or almost equally) unlike all the rest of the Romanovs
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Can someone tell me what his relation is to the late Czar Nicholas II a and Alexandra is?

Is he a descendant of a brother a cousin?
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What other Romanovs can say if the only legal Head of the House, Empress Maria I will change marriage laws? What can they say if they had already failed them? At that time Maria's family didn't fail them but married equally (or almost equally) unlike all the rest of the Romanovs
Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna never fails to remind each and everyone of her equal marriage. Furthermore she has stated that the marriage laws will be amended if needed. Hopefully Grand Duke Georgi will marry someone he loves and his marriage will last longer than his parents' one.
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Can someone tell me what his relation is to the late Czar Nicholas II a and Alexandra is?

Is he a descendant of a brother a cousin?
Grand Duke George is a great-great-grandson of Grand Duke Vladimir Alexandrovich (1847-1909), third son of Emperor Alexander II of Russia and brother Emperor Alexandre III, who was the father of Emperor Nicholas II.
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